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Celeb News: Katy Perry: "All Lives Matter"
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Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Y'all doing the MOST as usual.
I bet non of you are doing ish about this issue other than "exposing" white celebrities who have not met some quota of social media protesting.
Which in reality isn't going to fix anything. Dragging entertainers who are not related to an issue at all, especially one like Katy who is at-least acknowledging it, is not going to stop any police officers from killing black people.
It's you who "lack intelligence, depth, and class" not freaking Katy Perry.
Grow up.
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So the basis of your argument is "I bet people I don't even know aren't doing anything"? That is a horrid foundation on which to base your argument. You don't know what people are doing, you don't know if people are spreading awareness or not.
If you don't see an issue with a white artist jumping on a bandwagon to seem progressive when they've proven to the world they know nothing about the issue, you're part of the issue as well.
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Originally posted by Reinvention
I'm torn between #BlackLivesMatter and #AllLivesMatter. I totally believe in equality, but I can also see the other side of the coin where this is really a situation about and involving black people - so I think they're more than entitled to use the former tag. But still, you shouldn't be getting angry or calling someone selfish/concerned about whites for using #AllLivesMatter - because they do, and racial divides don't exactly need encouragement right now.
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You're not taking into account the power imbalances. Of course white lives matter, and saying black lives matter is not saying they don't. Historically and systematically, white lives have always mattered and we all know that. We don't need to be reminded that "white people matter too" because that is something we see every single day. White lives matter so much that white cops can kill black children and get away with it. That's how much white lives matter and that's why reminding people is offensive and taking away from the movement.
Another example would be like giving a poor person $100 and a rich person saying "ugh, I want $100 too!" Someone of privilege saying "give me some too" is just gross because they get handed to them every day what the underprivileged don't.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
All lives includes black lives. Once again, y'all are being too sensitive.
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"All lives" also include white lives, aka lives that do not have to worry about being murdered by police.
Do me a favor, okay? Go onto Twitter and look at all of the most popular black activists and see what they're saying about "all lives matter". I can guarantee you each and every one of them will tell you it's ******** and will explain why it's so detrimental to the black rights movement. Stop telling black people how they should feel because you want to defend your fave.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Ewwwww.....No.
It's BlackLivesMatter for a reason.
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White people aren't getting murdered in our streets without so much as a trial to find their killer. It's already a known fact that we believe white lives matter. But for too long in this country black lives have not mattered nearly as much.
It's the same thing as people complaining about the NAACP, arguing why there isn't a NAAWP, or there being the BET network but not a WET network. Because those are called ABC, CBS, and NBC.
That being said, I applaud Katy Perry for sending a message of solidarity to protesters.
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Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Y'all doing the MOST as usual.
I bet non of you are doing ish about this issue other than "exposing" white celebrities who have not met some quota of social media protesting.
Which in reality isn't going to fix anything. Dragging entertainers who are not related to an issue at all, especially one like Katy who is at-least acknowledging it, is not going to stop any police officers from killing black people.
It's you who "lack intelligence, depth, and class" not freaking Katy Perry.
Grow up.
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Read a ****ing book. This movement isn't about people like Katy Perry, who only identify with homosexuals ("I Kissed A Girl") or various cultures (Japanese, black, Egyptian, etc.) when it is lucrative and convenient. Her career is built on catering to the masses through whatever means possible, so it is unsurprising that she would change the hashtag of #BlackLivesMatter to "All Lives Matter." She tries to play it off like we are all in this together, that we are all affected by this problem equally, and that everyone should just get along but nothing could be further from the truth. She is trying to join the bandwagon and support those actually affected by police brutality and racial profiling everyday but she lacks the intelligence to do so--hence her tweeting "All Lives Matter" but not realizing that white lives have always mattered to people and completely failing to recognize the issue at heart. So yes, she does lack intelligence. And yes, she lacks intelligence as well because an intelligent person wouldn't try to make broad strokes of a movement that affects a marginalized population. And finally, yes she does and always has lacked class because her claims of wanting to lying down in the streets are empty, hollow statements--she would never do such a thing and it's classless for her to suggest otherwise when she is a rich, privileged, white female who wants to make this #BlackLivesMatter movement about her.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
You're not taking into account the power imbalances. Of course white lives matter, and saying black lives matter is not saying they don't. Historically and systematically, white lives have always mattered and we all know that. We don't need to be reminded that "white people matter too" because that is something we see every single day. White lives matter so much that white cops can kill black children and get away with it. That's how much white lives matter and that's why reminding people is offensive and taking away from the movement.
Another example would be like giving a poor person $100 and a rich person saying "ugh, I want $100 too!" Someone of privilege saying "give me some too" is just gross because they get handed to them every day what the underprivileged don't.,
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Very good points, I can't lie. It just feels a bit sad that an all-inclusive, positive message can be taken down. To say "all lives matter" shouldn't take away any significance from "black lives matter", but I suppose that right now the issue is entirely about the mistreatment of black people. Not entirely sure the $100 metaphor, but I get what you're saying.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I hope the people commending her read up on why "All Lives Matter" is actually contradictory to the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Stating "all lives matter" when the movement is "black lives matter" distracts from the fact that this is a black issue and injects white people into a situation they have no right being in. People know white lives matter. White lives have always mattered and will always matter. The point of "Black Lives Matter" is to remind people that black people are people too. The point is for the focus to be solely on black lives. In addition, "we" don't need to change. There is no "we" in this struggle or fight, the struggle does not affect white people in any way, shape, or form.
"Do you run into someone's funeral and scream 'I've dealt with loss too'" is a great way to explain what saying "all lives matter" is like during this movement. Do not make this black movement about white people. If you're white and want to help, stating that black lives matter is what you have to do. It doesn't take away from white people or the fact that white lives matter, because they do by default, it's just showing support for the people who are literally being killed for being themselves.
Totally agree. I don't think she's racist or is trying to be malicious, she's just ignorant of what's going on and this tweet proves that she is jumping on a bandwagon to seem progressive as opposed to actually knowing what's going on.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
So the basis of your argument is "I bet people I don't even know aren't doing anything"? That is a horrid foundation on which to base your argument. You don't know what people are doing, you don't know if people are spreading awareness or not.
If you don't see an issue with a white artist jumping on a bandwagon to seem progressive when they've proven to the world they know nothing about the issue, you're part of the issue as well.
You're not taking into account the power imbalances. Of course white lives matter, and saying black lives matter is not saying they don't. Historically and systematically, white lives have always mattered and we all know that. We don't need to be reminded that "white people matter too" because that is something we see every single day. White lives matter so much that white cops can kill black children and get away with it. That's how much white lives matter and that's why reminding people is offensive and taking away from the movement.
Another example would be like giving a poor person $100 and a rich person saying "ugh, I want $100 too!" Someone of privilege saying "give me some too" is just gross because they get handed to them every day what the underprivileged don't.,
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Oh my god, you really are up in another thread about Katy typing paragraph after paragraph about how wrong Katy is for doing yet another thing you disagree with and dislike about her. Crying on ATRL isn't going to change anything. Is what Katy did wrong? No. Could it be interpreted as being insensitive? Of course, if you're the kind of person who wants act victimised and see ill intent in everything. The intent of Katy's tweet was only ever for the good of the people who have been affected by this.
Once again people like to spin things and act like she's trying to lessen the concentration on black lives. EVERYONE knows what this is about, and it's not about white people (being victimised). Nobody thinks white people have it anywhere near as bad as black people. So to say such things like "all lives detracts from black lives" is stupid because nobody actually believes this.
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AllLivesMatter because the racism displayed to Latinos in America is disgusting as well.
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I swear if people drag her for this. Like, what can people do to please everyone? Nothing. 
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Banned
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y'all doing the most by saying "All Lives Matters" she clearly meant "not only white lives matters" that's how i see it
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
All lives includes black lives. Once again, y'all are being too sensitive.
Seriously, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. |
Eh. It'll be different if the hashtag had always been "All Lives Matter," but it was "Black Lives Matter" for a reason. Changing the hashtag ignores the plight of the Black community and their fight for equality. Hearing female friends of mine who are Black say they are scared for the lives of their future sons is a major problem that we as a society needs to look into. So yes, in this instance I think it should be Black Lives Matter because these are the lives being looked at with suspicion. These are the lives being targeted and taken away by officers who in turn face no repercussions. These are the lives that are disproportionately incarcerated. These are the lives that are disparately subjected to harsher sentences for similar crimes as their White counterparts. So yes, Black Lives Matter, and it should be acknowledged.
Katy's tweet doesn't bother me personally, and I appreciate celebrities speaking out on social issues such as this, but I also get where other people are coming from. Essentially all lives matter, but until all lives are treated equally by society and our justice system, the message that "Black Lives Matter" should remain prevalent.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Oh my god, you really are up in another thread about Katy typing paragraph after paragraph about how wrong Katy is for doing yet another thing you disagree with and dislike about her. Crying on ATRL isn't going to change anything. Is what Katy did wrong? No. Could it be interpreted as being insensitive? Of course, if you're the kind of person who wants act victimised and see ill intent in everything. The intent of Katy's tweet was only ever for the good of the people who have been affected by this.
Once again people like to spin things and act like she's trying to lessen the concentration on black lives. EVERYONE knows what this is about, and it's not about white people (being victimised). Nobody thinks white people have it anywhere near as bad as black people. So to say such things like "all lives detracts from black lives" is stupid because nobody actually believes this.
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Apparently very few people believe that #BlackLivesMatter which is why this whole movement was started in the first place. Think before you post.
And no, it's clear that NOT everyone knows what this is about because Katy Perry clearly doesn't, and you clearly don't. A rich, white female celebrity like Katy Perry has no place bandwagoning onto a movement about police targeting of black men throughout the country--with her millions of followers, she could make a real statement and have a good influence but instead she's diluting the cause and by not even making the effort to learn about it, read about it, and taking it seriously as something that is actually KILLING people, it makes it glaringly obvious how ignorant she actually is.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
So the basis of your argument is "I bet people I don't even know aren't doing anything"? That is a horrid foundation on which to base your argument. You don't know what people are doing, you don't know if people are spreading awareness or not.
If you don't see an issue with a white artist jumping on a bandwagon to seem progressive when they've proven to the world they know nothing about the issue, you're part of the issue as well.
You're not taking into account the power imbalances. Of course white lives matter, and saying black lives matter is not saying they don't. Historically and systematically, white lives have always mattered and we all know that. We don't need to be reminded that "white people matter too" because that is something we see every single day. White lives matter so much that white cops can kill black children and get away with it. That's how much white lives matter and that's why reminding people is offensive and taking away from the movement.
Another example would be like giving a poor person $100 and a rich person saying "ugh, I want $100 too!" Someone of privilege saying "give me some too" is just gross because they get handed to them every day what the underprivileged don't.
"All lives" also include white lives, aka lives that do not have to worry about being murdered by police.
Do me a favor, okay? Go onto Twitter and look at all of the most popular black activists and see what they're saying about "all lives matter". I can guarantee you each and every one of them will tell you it's ******** and will explain why it's so detrimental to the black rights movement. Stop telling black people how they should feel because you want to defend your fave.
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Finally some intelligence in this thread.
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I guess. She could have just tweeted BlackLivesMatter, which would have been more fitting. But, good for somewhat supporting the cause.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Ewwwww.....No.
It's BlackLivesMatter for a reason.
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The immaturity and lack of intelligence is real on ATRL.
If you are too ignorant/lazy/stupid to understand why it sucks that she used all lives and not black lives then don't bother posting, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
You can search thousands upon thousands of black people on Twitter/Facebook/tumblr/TV who explain exactly why #BlackLivesMatter is the only correct hashtag in this situation.
But no, white teenage ATRLers surely know better than all of them.
Log off.
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Yall always gotta make **** about yall. UGH
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Originally posted by Mitch.
The immaturity and lack of intelligence is real on ATRL.
If you are too ignorant/lazy/stupid to understand why it sucks that she used all lives and not black lives then don't bother posting, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
You can search thousands upon thousands of black people on Twitter/Facebook/tumblr/TV who explain exactly why #BlackLivesMatter is the only correct hashtag in this situation.
But no, white teenage ATRLers surely know better than all of them.
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I agree.
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The point is that black people are dying at the hands of white officers with no repercussions. That's why the hashtag is #BlackLives and needs to stay #BlackLives, because those are the lives in danger.
To put it in a way that gays can hopefully understand: it would be like going to a pride parade with a sign that says "I support straight marriage as well!!!!" except this is quite literally a matter of life and death.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
All lives includes black lives. Once again, y'all are being too sensitive.
Seriously, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. |
This is like running through a gay parade shouting "all sexualities matter." Of course "all lives matter" and "all sexualities matter" or whatever have you, but that is not the point. Diluting the cause to saying it affects all people like Katy Perry is going to walk down the street and get racially profiled, harassed by police, and potentially murdered for the color of her skin is absolutely ludicrous. Katy may have had good intentions, but those intentions matter little when she tries to make a movement something that it is not.
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Originally posted by Vespertine
The point is that black people are dying at the hands of white officers with no repercussions. That's why the hashtag is #BlackLives and needs to stay #BlackLives, because those are the lives in danger.
To put it in a way that gays can hopefully understand: it would be like going to a pride parade with a sign that says "I support straight marriage as well!!!!" except this is quite literally a matter of life and death.
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 at us literally typing the same thing at virtually the same time
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
Apparently very few people believe that #BlackLivesMatter which is why this whole movement was started in the first place. Think before you post.
And no, it's clear that NOT everyone knows what this is about because Katy Perry clearly doesn't, and you clearly don't. A rich, white female celebrity like Katy Perry has no place bandwagoning onto a movement about police targeting of black men throughout the country--with her millions of followers, she could make a real statement and have a good influence but instead she's diluting the cause and by not even making the effort to learn about it, read about it, and taking it seriously as something that is actually KILLING people, it makes it glaringly obvious how ignorant she actually is.
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This is rubbish, and all just your interpretation. She was showing support, and because it's Katy, people have to pick holes in her support because they can. If a black person said the same thing, nobody would blink an eye.
And to say that she's "bandwagoning" is completely offensive to the cause. Isn't the whole POINT of the cause to make more white people aware (since they're the majority) and to spread the knowledge, and so saying that if a white person supports the cause, it's "bandwagoning", is just ridiculous, and self-destructive.
The whole reason anyone has a problem with what she has said is people are interpreting "All Lives Matter" as some kind of statement like "white lives matter too!!! don't forget us whites!!!" which is CLEARLY not the intent, but more along the lines of, "all lives matter, not just white lives" as somebody already pointed out.
Arguing about this just makes the people against Katy look ignorant and is self-destructive to the cause. You can't just try and see the bad in people all the time. That's now how it works.
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