[RatedG²]

Originally posted by alexanderao

A lot of Americans are so oblivious as to what the U.S. military is actually doing and what the U.S.' foreign policy actually is.

It's not America's fault, the media only shows us one side of the matter. Not surprised this is the case at all

[Retro]

Originally posted by Caesar

Okay putting out fires, stopping ur house from burning down / saving your life / stopping criminals, they don't deserve it? Okay

You have their statement backwards; it was the "faves" who, under the thought supported by the people discussed in the comment, did not deserve reverence. In fact, the person you quoted did not advocate in that post any position at all!

[Newt]

Originally posted by Caesar

You vote for who you want to represent you, how is that horrible?

This is incredibly misguided. There are too many answers to your questions. If I'm just gonna pick one, how about private funding of elections? It's clear that certain businesses and corporations have an invested interest in certain candidates.

It sounds nice on paper, but it's not realistic and it doesn't work well in execution. It's fake equality.

[Troye]

Originally posted by Element

Has anyone in this thread served in the military by draft or voluntarily? If not, then I think your argument is weakened.

Mentioning the draft is pointless since it hasn't been enforced in over six decades.
Probably won't happen again in our lifetimes either. I do however contend that soldiers are courageous to fight for what they believe in profoundly. There's not a lot of civilians with kind of mindset specifically. Anyway, the issue that some of you take is more of a political standpoint. Which is the government and it's agenda largely involving oil and money.

[Bang Up]

Originally posted by Newt

I'm gonna have to say that I'm not following you're point?

These young, white male killers are not terrorists. Yes, it is a problem. Yes, there are structural and foundational reasons for explaining why they exist. But they're not terrorists

They are indeed terrorists. The only reason people don't think they are is because of what we've been made to believe what a terrorist is. The men and sometimes women who go in and shoot up a school or theater has a reason, often times personal, and that is what makes them a terrorist. It doesn't have to be a political reason.

[Roman Holiday]

Our government treats veterans with the most absolute disrespect.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Oh boy. I was agreeing with you all the way up till here. I have many reasons why that is NOT always a good thing

I agree with you why that is not always a good thing but, It isn't horrible compared to any other government system, a total democracy wouldn't work propertly kinda like how a Communism market wouldn't work either.

[alexanderao]

Originally posted by RatedG²

It's not America's fault, the media only shows us one side of the matter. Not surprised this is the case at all

It's not entirely the media's fault. It's the people's fault for being shortsighted to the point where they don't consider anything the media doesn't force-feed them.

[Giliap]

Originally posted by Newt

I'm gonna have to say that I'm not following you're point?

These young, white male killers are not terrorists. Yes, it is a problem. Yes, there are structural and foundational reasons for explaining why they exist. But they're not terrorists

I know.

my point isn't that they're terrorists. the original poster's point was comparing American's fear of terrorists to the fear they should have of these psycho white boys. the other person thought they were literally calling them local terrorists or something.

[princedonte]

It's not really an American thing they do it all over the world. It's a way to show unified nationalism. Every country in the world think their number 1, the best. The Military is seen as the glory of the country. I don't get too caught up in it. I respect the soldiers who fought but i leave it at that.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

They should be praised but from the soldiers I've meet most join the army because they don't know what else to di with their lives and they want the veteran benefits. Some don't pay their child support, some are raging alcoholics who beat their girlfriends etc. Their service is heroic I suppose but once they come back I'm not sure. I don't think they should be bashed or called terrorists though...

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Retro

You have their statement backwards; it was the "faves" who, under the thought supported by the people discussed in the comment, did not deserve reverence. In fact, the person you quoted did not advocate in that post any position at all!

O nnnnnn

[Giliap]

Originally posted by Caesar

Okay putting out fires, stopping ur house from burning down / saving your life / stopping criminals, they don't deserve it? Okay

I was talking in defense of those people... not the popstars.

Originally posted by Element

I am the furthest thing from a military leader. I just think that, if you looked at it from the perspective of someone who serves, it would be quite disheartening to see your sacrifice (either forced or chosen) be disrespected by those who did not make the same sacrifice for whatever reason.

Why is everyone taking what I say so literally? Obviously I don't think you're an actual military leader. "furthest thing" I can't. I was just saying that that's what a military leader would want americans to think. "You aren't in the military so your opinion doesn't count!"

[Element]

Originally posted by Retro

No problem! And if I came across as a little harsh or forward I'm sorry, just stating my thoughts. I find these ideas really interesting.

Same! I usually keep my mouth shut and watch the debate, but I figured I would throw my hand in.

[Newt]

Originally posted by Bang Up

They are indeed terrorists. The only reason people don't think they are is because of what we've been made to believe what a terrorist is. The men and sometimes women who go in and shoot up a school or theater has a reason, often times personal, and that is what makes them a terrorist. It doesn't have to be a political reason.

But it...does. Societal interests are also another platform for terrorism, but that's once again not what these kids are doing. Your definition doesn't make sense with what terrorism is. Everything is done for a reason. Are all murders terrorism? they always have a reason. Your definition is incredibly open, ineffective and doesn't describe what terrorism means

[Bloomers]

Originally posted by Bang Up

That's not heroic. Modern-day soldiers CHOOSE to do that, and a lot of them get compensated nicely for doing so. How is it heroic when it's the job they choose to do?

Do you realize that they have to go through though?

Like I said, they literally give up years of their lives, voluntarily, have to leave their families behind and risk physical and emotional injury. They get paid, but there is no way they are compensated enough for the time and large portions of their lives they give up at you suggesting otherwise.

Some soldiers don't have a choice but to serve, due to socioeconomic problems or other reasons, but still the majority willingly serve because they feel its right. Again, criticize the government and decision makers if you disagree with how they are used. Not the veterans.

[Stantasea]

Originally posted by Retro

True! While there is much interesting discussion to be made about the cumulative value of a pop singer's contributions to society, it's doubtful that advocates of this article would believe that they are more significant than professionals in other more practically applied fields.

Let's not pretend those types of members would enter a thread that doesn't have "drag" or "sales" in the title.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Giliap

I was talking in defense of those people... not the popstars.

I know I thought you ment it backwards

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Newt

But it...does. Societal interests are also another platform for terrorism, but that's once again not what these kids are doing. Your definition doesn't make sense with what terrorism is. Everything is done for a reason. Are all murders terrorism? they always have a reason. Your definition is incredibly open, ineffective and doesn't describe what terrorism means

.

[Caesar]

Originally posted by Bloomers

Do you realize that they have to go through though?

Like I said, they literally give up years of their lives, voluntarily, have to leave their families behind and risk physical and emotional injury. They get paid, but there is no way they are compensated enough for the time and large portions of their lives they give up at you suggesting otherwise.

Some soldiers don't have a choice but to serve, due to socioeconomic problems or other reasons, but still the majority willingly serve because they feel its right. Again, criticize the government and decision makers if you disagree with how they are used. Not the veterans.

They are acting like the soldiers chose on what battle they go to like