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News: Forcing gender roles on kids is harmful, study shows.
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Ashamed of the gays in this thread and their lack of knowledge about the issues of our transgender, agender, pangender and trigender brothers and sisters.
Educate yourselves!
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Originally posted by Opacho
What the hell has this thread become to?
Good god, you all are so dramatic. You can literally call your child anything you want. Son if they're born with male genitalia, and daughter otherwise. You are doing nothing wrong by doing that. However, if the said son decides to play with “girl's toys“ let him. If at one point in life they say they feel as though they're trapped inside their own body. Accept it.
No need for calling your child “childling“ or whatever the hell those lunatics on tumblr tell you to. Just don't be a prick about it and all's swell.
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What the **** at " childling".
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Originally posted by Cupid
There's nothing "automatic" about it. It's programmed into us from birth. From people giving you blue balloons and blankets as a baby, to parents buying you action figures, to cartoons showing men as soldiers and riding around in big trucks, to what you learn from the own men around you in your life. It's all subliminal and subconscious, only a foolish person would actually believe the choices they make and the feelings they have are totally of their own will. Society, our environment and the media all influence our choices and gender roles every-day and most people are unaware of it. Not even from your own parents, if people are saying their parents never forced them, or they would never force their own children, it's also programmed into us at school, outside of parents control. From other children, from teachers, from the school teaching syllabus. Outside of the home, on TV, on billboards, there is no way to truly be free from influence in our civilization.
And your comment about "men are men, women are women, stay in your own lanes" is also one of the most ignorant comments i've seen on this forum.
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Thank you
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Originally posted by Badger
The concept of gender is very important regarding the rights of men and women. Do you believe that gender/sex equality is not as important as racial equality?
And you are exaggerating the differences. I already said that gender does not equal biological and physical differences between men and women.
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Meh, i have nothing more to say about this.
My thoughts remain the same, haven't read a compelling argument otherwise. Nice day
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Originally posted by Legend ReX
If you think about it, Western society is weird in that we "accept" different sexualities but not variant genders. Every continent it seems has some sort of third gender and that's where the majority of their homosexuals seem to gravitate to. Most of us who identify as gay now would've probably been designated as third gender in these societies.
Although I don't understand trans people's obsession with physical transition; if you're a girl on the inside, it doesn't matter what your genitalia is--you're still a girl.
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Yes ofc they are still a girl no matter what is between their legs, but they don't want a penis bc it doesn't match their gender identity and makes them uncomfortable and feel disgusting and ugly. You have to understand this right? I don't know what gender you are, but say you all of a sudden were a hermaphrodite or whatever and started growing the other sexes genitals, or imagine you were born with both genitals or that you were born chromosomically a girl - long hair, small face, started growing breasts etc. but you had a penis. Exactly. This ofc applies to ftm trans people too.
However, this doesn't apply to all trans people. I want to transition into a girl - I want long hair, softer facial features, a feminine body, breasts etc. - but I don't feel all that dysphoric about my genitalia. If I had the chance to have a sex change now I wouldn't because I might regret it, but it is something I shall undergo in the future.
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Originally posted by Opacho
What the hell has this thread become to?
Good god, you all are so dramatic. You can literally call your child anything you want. Son if they're born with male genitalia, and daughter otherwise. You are doing nothing wrong by doing that. However, if the said son decides to play with “girl's toys“ let him. If at one point in life they say they feel as though they're trapped inside their own body. Accept it.
No need for calling your child “childling“ or whatever the hell those lunatics on tumblr tell you to. Just don't be a prick about it and all's swell.
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Clearly. I mean, gender roles are just absolute ****.
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Originally posted by Damien M
Meh, i have nothing more to say about this.
My thoughts remain the same, haven't read a compelling argument otherwise. Nice day
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Ok then. There is plenty of scientific material on this subject if you want to know more
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Originally posted by Opacho
What the hell has this thread become to?
Good god, you all are so dramatic. You can literally call your child anything you want. Son if they're born with male genitalia, and daughter otherwise. You are doing nothing wrong by doing that. However, if the said son decides to play with “girl's toys“ let him. If at one point in life they say they feel as though they're trapped inside their own body. Accept it.
No need for calling your child “childling“ or whatever the hell those lunatics on tumblr tell you to. Just don't be a prick about it and all's swell.
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This couple refers to their child as 'the infant' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9028...reotyping.html
A guaranteed way to **** up your child
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Originally posted by King B
I agree with this. I'll be inclined to give my son trucks and whatnot, but if he says I want something else I wouldn't hesitate to give it to him.
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EXACTLY.
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Originally posted by Cupid
There's nothing "automatic" about it. It's programmed into us from birth. From people giving you blue balloons and blankets as a baby, to parents buying you action figures, to cartoons showing men as soldiers and riding around in big trucks, to what you learn from the own men around you in your life. It's all subliminal and subconscious, only a foolish person would actually believe the choices they make and the feelings they have are totally of their own will. Society, our environment and the media all influence our choices and gender roles every-day and most people are unaware of it. Not even from your own parents, if people are saying their parents never forced them, or they would never force their own children, it's also programmed into us at school, outside of parents control. From other children, from teachers, from the school teaching syllabus. Outside of the home, on TV, on billboards, there is no way to truly be free from influence in our civilization.
And your comment about "men are men, women are women, stay in your own lanes" is also one of the most ignorant comments i've seen on this forum.
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Well you have to consider that we had gender roles before we even had society. And even animals have gender roles. Some things do come naturally. Male domination, for one.
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
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I would punch them if I were that child. It makes them sound like an object.
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
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I can already imagine how it went at their ultrasound gender check up.
“So, Ma'm, would you like to know whether it's a bo-”
“Excuse me kind doctor, we already know our baby's gender“ *spouses' eyes meet and they smile* “it's the fetus“.
Tragic
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The key word here in my opinion is "force". Gender roles are fine with me, if some want to conform, great! If others don't, that's their prerogative. Gender roles align with the biological differences between men and women, that's why they are so attractive to most of the population. From an evolutionary standpoint, gender roles increased survival. So they definitely have their benefits, but I do agree people shouldn't be forced to be one thing or do one thing. Do whatever the **** you want and get money bitch.
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Originally posted by Javan
Well you have to consider that we had gender roles before we even had society. And even animals have gender roles. Some things do come naturally. Male domination, for one.
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Biological men do have a natural aggression through a natural influx of testosterone, however that doesn't mean that they have to act dominant or that women have to be more submissive than them.
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Originally posted by ReginaPhalange
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Tragic. I mean, I get not raising your child into a gender that they might not like, but to objectify them like that. At least say "our infant".
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Originally posted by Opacho
I can already imagine how it went at their ultrasound gender check up.
“So, Ma'm, would you like to know whether it's a bo-”
“Excuse me kind doctor, we already know our baby's gender“ *spouses' eyes meet and they smile* “it's the fetus“.
Tragic
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Some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids. They're treating him like a tumblr experiment and it's so wrong. He's gonna grow up so confused and lost with no identity, he won't know what he is. They're gonna ruin any chance he had of a normal life
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Originally posted by Cupid
There's nothing "automatic" about it. It's programmed into us from birth. From people giving you blue balloons and blankets as a baby, to parents buying you action figures, to cartoons showing men as soldiers and riding around in big trucks, to what you learn from the own men around you in your life. It's all subliminal and subconscious, only a foolish person would actually believe the choices they make and the feelings they have are totally of their own will. Society, our environment and the media all influence our choices and gender roles every-day and most people are unaware of it. Not even from your own parents, if people are saying their parents never forced them, or they would never force their own children, it's also programmed into us at school, outside of parents control. From other children, from teachers, from the school teaching syllabus. Outside of the home, on TV, on billboards, there is no way to truly be free from influence in our civilization.
And your comment about "men are men, women are women, stay in your own lanes" is also one of the most ignorant comments i've seen on this forum.
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I agree with what you said and I also agree with the post you quoted. A boy is naturally attracted to masculine things like action movies, toy vehicles etc. and the same for girls. This is why it's ok for a parent to assume that their son would want to play with "boys toys" and vice versa.
Now as you said society and school and classmates do pressure children into acting a certain way, dressing a certain way, playing with certain toys etc. depending on if they are a boy or girl. However, if a child REALLY wants to play with stereotypical girl/boy toys and whatnot, they will do it and they will be drawn to them and ask their parents to buy them for them. And it all can be resolved, all the pressure and gender roles, by simply letting your child have these toys. And ofc teaching your children from the get-go to be open minded and that a boy can play with dolls and a girl can play with action figures if they want to and that if they someone feels like they are more boyish than girlish or whatever that that's not wrong and if a man and a man and a woman and a woman are together that it's not wrong.
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Originally posted by Cupid
That would be family/environmentally influenced. It would come from your parents or whoever is around you, you would copy their behavior.
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Well we both know that's not how it worked. Not when pretty much all primitive communities developed the same basic gender roles, independently.
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Originally posted by Miles Caulfield
Biological men do have a natural aggression through a natural influx of testosterone, however that doesn't mean that they have to act dominant or that women have to be more submissive than them.
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And are genetically stronger you forget to mention. And women face an extra physical disadvantage pregnancy and their menstrual cycle. I would make absolutely no sense for a women to take the dominant role, when it's in her best interest to sit down and let the big boys do the work.
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