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Discussion: Katy Perry's Success
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Originally posted by Nicole
EWWWWwwwww at CuMadonna stans clinging to Katy. Some of you definitely need your faces SEARED with a hot iron.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
Nope! I like Dark_Lorde but on behalf of the Madonna Base we do not claim this thread.
Katy is a talentless dumb **** selling sex and lowest-common-denominator music to children. No thanks, ma'am.
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OMG! Ruthless scalping
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Originally posted by Melquiades
Katy and Madonna careers are pretty similar tbh.
Both started their massive success with a controversial song (IKAG and LAV).
Both started less popular than another female which was known for her irreverent dressing and personality (Cindy & you know who hihi) but eventually surpassed her.
Katy is on her True Blue era, playing it safe and cute just like Madonna did at the time. Next era will be her Like a Prayer
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I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Paying for radio air play is something they all do. Even your fave. It's not out of the ordinary or uncommon for the label to do that. So let's not attack Katy for something everyone does.
It's clearly not basic as per the OP.
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But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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DAMN hunTy!
You went IN
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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Originally posted by superben
Great anaylysis Absolutely agree
You ignore Unconditionally thouh
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Sorry! It certainly deserves a place up there but It was intentional. Unconditionally simply can't be explained in a few sentences and I didn't want to make the post paragraphs long on one video. I think my message was received though.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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I'm glad you bought this up. First of all I must ask you to please not refer to me as a collective "Madonna fans" we are not all one brain - I can only respond for myself.
Here is my issue with comparisons. I happily compare Katy and Madonna when it comes to their work. (not who they are as people) and the evidence they are similar is in the OP. Take the clip for "roar" for instance. Katy re-creates scenes from Sheena but the message and theme couldn't be further from what Sheena was all about. Sheena ruled the animals of the Junge by force with an i ron fist. Katy rules the animals of the jungle in roar with her confidence.
Now, Take Material girl. In the original "gentlemen prefer blondes" Marilyn plays a gold digger. In Material girl madonna recreates scenes from Gentlemen prefer blondes but she falls in love with the poor man that can't afford to buy her expensive gifts.
Both women (Madonna and Katy) took an existing theme and changed the artistic meaning - Do you see how that makes them comparable?
Of course, the above is just on the aesthetics. If the clip for material girl didn't exist or was a spoof of another movie from Hollywoods golden era the song would still exist and stand alone. The same can be said about Roar.
If we were to add gaga to the mix, the question I would ask would be "Is the message of born this way any different from the message of express yourself?" "What does gaga represent that Madonna doesn't" - According to A lot of people, A lot of critics and even gaga herself during BTW she looked a lot like Madonna, She used the same message of empowerment and the music was very similar.
This is the difference between the Katy - Madonna. Madonna - Gaga comparisons. I hope that makes sense.
In terms of the youtube views. I personally didn't have a problem with gaga herself. My personal issue was with Billboard not addressing it. People had asked them to explain the weighting of each category of the charts (ie streaming, radip air play etc etc) and they simply didn't answer. That was my issue. It had nothing to do with gaga. Another problem that people don't like can be seen on this very thread. The gaga fans that have quoted what you said about every artist having youtube ads counted and called it a drag are the very same people that can be seen on other threads vehemently denying that billboard counted youtube ads.
You see, it's the inconsistency that can be annoying - The same people that argue that it didn't happen are now supporting you, even though they fundamentally disagree (in other threads) with everything you have said.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Sorry! It certainly deserves a place up there but It was intentional. Unconditionally simply can't be explained in a few sentences and I didn't want to make the post paragraphs long on one video. I think my message was received though.
I'm glad you bought this up. First of all I must ask you to please not refer to me as a collective "Madonna fans" we are not all one brain - I can only respond for myself.
Here is my issue with comparisons. I happily compare Katy and Madonna when it comes to their work. (not who they are as people) and the evidence they are similar is in the OP. Take the clip for "roar" for instance. Katy re-creates scenes from Sheena but the message and theme couldn't be further from what Sheena was all about. Sheena ruled the animals of the Junge by force with an i ron fist. Katy rules the animals of the jungle in roar with her confidence.
Now, Take Material girl. In the original "gentlemen prefer blondes" Marilyn plays a gold digger. In Material girl madonna recreates scenes from Gentlemen prefer blondes but she falls in love with the poor man that can't afford to buy her expensive gifts.
Both women (Madonna and Katy) took an existing theme and changed the artistic meaning - Do you see how that makes them comparable?
Of course, the above is just on the aesthetics. If the clip for material girl didn't exist or was a spoof of another movie from Hollywoods golden era the song would still exist and stand alone. The same can be said about Roar.
If we were to add gaga to the mix, the question I would ask would be "Is the message of born this way any different from the message of express yourself?" "What does gaga represent that Madonna doesn't" - According to A lot of people, A lot of critics and even gaga herself during BTW she looked a lot like Madonna, She used the same message of empowerment and the music was very similar.
This is the difference between the Katy - Madonna. Madonna - Gaga comparisons. I hope that makes sense.
In terms of the youtube views. I personally didn't have a problem with gaga herself. My personal issue was with Billboard not addressing it. People had asked them to explain the weighting of each category of the charts (ie streaming, radip air play etc etc) and they simply didn't answer. That was my issue. It had nothing to do with gaga. Another problem that people don't like can be seen on this very thread. The gaga fans that have quoted what you said about every artist having youtube ads counted and called it a drag are the very same people that can be seen on other threads vehemently denying that billboard counted youtube ads.
You see, it's the inconsistency that can be annoying - The same people that argue that it didn't happen are now supporting you, even though they fundamentally disagree (in other threads) with everything you have said.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Sorry! It certainly deserves a place up there but It was intentional. Unconditionally simply can't be explained in a few sentences and I didn't want to make the post paragraphs long on one video. I think my message was received though.
I'm glad you bought this up. First of all I must ask you to please not refer to me as a collective "Madonna fans" we are not all one brain - I can only respond for myself.
Here is my issue with comparisons. I happily compare Katy and Madonna when it comes to their work. (not who they are as people) and the evidence they are similar is in the OP. Take the clip for "roar" for instance. Katy re-creates scenes from Sheena but the message and theme couldn't be further from what Sheena was all about. Sheena ruled the animals of the Junge by force with an i ron fist. Katy rules the animals of the jungle in roar with her confidence.
Now, Take Material girl. In the original "gentlemen prefer blondes" Marilyn plays a gold digger. In Material girl madonna recreates scenes from Gentlemen prefer blondes but she falls in love with the poor man that can't afford to buy her expensive gifts.
Both women (Madonna and Katy) took an existing theme and changed the artistic meaning - Do you see how that makes them comparable?
Of course, the above is just on the aesthetics. If the clip for material girl didn't exist or was a spoof of another movie from Hollywoods golden era the song would still exist and stand alone. The same can be said about Roar.
If we were to add gaga to the mix, the question I would ask would be "Is the message of born this way any different from the message of express yourself?" "What does gaga represent that Madonna doesn't" - According to A lot of people, A lot of critics and even gaga herself during BTW she looked a lot like Madonna, She used the same message of empowerment and the music was very similar.
This is the difference between the Katy - Madonna. Madonna - Gaga comparisons. I hope that makes sense.
In terms of the youtube views. I personally didn't have a problem with gaga herself. My personal issue was with Billboard not addressing it. People had asked them to explain the weighting of each category of the charts (ie streaming, radip air play etc etc) and they simply didn't answer. That was my issue. It had nothing to do with gaga. Another problem that people don't like can be seen on this very thread. The gaga fans that have quoted what you said about every artist having youtube ads counted and called it a drag are the very same people that can be seen on other threads vehemently denying that billboard counted youtube ads.
You see, it's the inconsistency that can be annoying - The same people that argue that it didn't happen are now supporting you, even though they fundamentally disagree (in other threads) with everything you have said.
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YASSSSSSS DRAG
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Updated thread to include Unconditionally.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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"Well-known fact?"
can you not be a moron please? Thanks
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
"Well-known fact?"
can you not be a moron please? Thanks
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Yeah I didn't think it was a well known fact either tbh
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Originally posted by SIMon1120
i agree though
I don't like Roar, but it's just me, not the GP
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The GP love roar and I can certainly understand why!
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Sorry! It certainly deserves a place up there but It was intentional. Unconditionally simply can't be explained in a few sentences and I didn't want to make the post paragraphs long on one video. I think my message was received though.
I'm glad you bought this up. First of all I must ask you to please not refer to me as a collective "Madonna fans" we are not all one brain - I can only respond for myself.
Here is my issue with comparisons. I happily compare Katy and Madonna when it comes to their work. (not who they are as people) and the evidence they are similar is in the OP. Take the clip for "roar" for instance. Katy re-creates scenes from Sheena but the message and theme couldn't be further from what Sheena was all about. Sheena ruled the animals of the Junge by force with an i ron fist. Katy rules the animals of the jungle in roar with her confidence.
Now, Take Material girl. In the original "gentlemen prefer blondes" Marilyn plays a gold digger. In Material girl madonna recreates scenes from Gentlemen prefer blondes but she falls in love with the poor man that can't afford to buy her expensive gifts.
Both women (Madonna and Katy) took an existing theme and changed the artistic meaning - Do you see how that makes them comparable?
Of course, the above is just on the aesthetics. If the clip for material girl didn't exist or was a spoof of another movie from Hollywoods golden era the song would still exist and stand alone. The same can be said about Roar.
If we were to add gaga to the mix, the question I would ask would be "Is the message of born this way any different from the message of express yourself?" "What does gaga represent that Madonna doesn't" - According to A lot of people, A lot of critics and even gaga herself during BTW she looked a lot like Madonna, She used the same message of empowerment and the music was very similar.
This is the difference between the Katy - Madonna. Madonna - Gaga comparisons. I hope that makes sense.
In terms of the youtube views. I personally didn't have a problem with gaga herself. My personal issue was with Billboard not addressing it. People had asked them to explain the weighting of each category of the charts (ie streaming, radip air play etc etc) and they simply didn't answer. That was my issue. It had nothing to do with gaga. Another problem that people don't like can be seen on this very thread. The gaga fans that have quoted what you said about every artist having youtube ads counted and called it a drag are the very same people that can be seen on other threads vehemently denying that billboard counted youtube ads.
You see, it's the inconsistency that can be annoying - The same people that argue that it didn't happen are now supporting you, even though they fundamentally disagree (in other threads) with everything you have said.
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You're so biased. Gaga took an existing theme and changed the artistic meaning. Do you know how many themes Applause features? The Jester theme. The Dr Galigari theme. The Seventh Seal theme. The reverse-warholian Marilyn Monroe theme. Hell even Gaga channeled some warholian-monroe realness on the telephone video. Not to mention the obvious Botticelli's "Birth Of Venus". Oh the ignorance
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The essé-writing in this thread is searing my eyes with a hot iron!!
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Originally posted by Nicole
EWWWWwwwww at CuMadonna stans clinging to Katy. Some of you definitely need your faces SEARED with a hot iron.
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Welp.
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she is just successful but that's all... no impact
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Originally posted by highwind44029
Welp.
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Mess at you bumping this
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I always find it funny that Madonna fans have an issue with comparing Gaga to Madonna but not Katy to Madonna. When it comes to raw passion, determination, and talent, Gaga's the only artist that can be compared to Madonna. Both women knew what they wanted from the beginning and didn't stop, didn't let their label control them, and took nobody's ****. It's a well-known fact that Katy is sort of a roll over and does whatever her label tells her to (not saying there's anything wrong with that), so basically you're saying Madonna was the same? That kind of contradicts her "strong woman" persona. I mean, the only comparison you're making is success-wise, not person-wise, as in who they are as individual artists, and Katy couldn't be further from Madonna in that aspect.
It just goes to prove how transparent Madonna fans are. Everyone is allowed to be compared to Madonna except for Gaga despite the parallels being there more than any other artist. Madonna fans spend hours a day coming up with things that Gaga "copies" from Madonna, but then turn around go "you can't compare Gaga to Madonna". How does that work? As said before, it's all about supporting anyone who isn't Gaga or anyone who is succeeding over Gaga.
But you Madonna fans attack Gaga for the things she does even though every other artist does them as well, such as Billboard counting streaming points from commercials that run before YouTube videos. The transparency.
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Well written
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