[Vin]

Originally posted by Goosey

Yes she is.

I voted no just to be negative.

You just described the poll results.



...Vin

[lonnie]

Originally posted by $oldier

Did you even read my post? I mentioned Animal debuted at #1, which is an album, not a single. It scanned Platinum in the US and 2x platinum in Canada and Australia, one of her biggest markets. It's no secret that Ke$ha however isn't a massive album seller or touring force. No she doesn't have any Grammys. But none of this really has any relevance to whether or not she's a main pop girl.

And my post wasn't even about that, I've already established that she isn't one, I was simply making it clear that to make such ignorant comments as that nobody in the GP knows who Ke$ha even is is just simply absurd.

The funny thing is, sales, touring receipt and awards are usually the first things that those who stan for success as for. It's actually kind of cringeworthy, because it's basically like waving around your stan card and saying, "Look how successful my fave is! Aren't they great! My fave is better than your fave." Music shouldn't be about that. Warrior flopped and ultimately I'm okay with that because I enjoy the album and I appreciate the hard work that Ke$ha put into her record. That's enough for me.

isn't that what this is all about?
how else is someone considered a "major pop girl" if not by success or acclaim?
If you said that she's a major pop girl just because of some hit singles and lackluster album sales then you sound just like any other stan trying to project their fave into something more than she really is

[Aurora]

Originally posted by lonnie

isn't that what this is all about?
how else is someone considered a "major pop girl" if not by success or acclaim?
If you said that she's a major pop girl just because of some hit singles and lackluster album sales then you sound just like any other stan trying to project their fave into something more than she really is

Except I've said nothing other than that she's not a main pop girl from my first post in this thread. Please keep up.

If we're going to be talking acclaim however, do I need to bring up her two critically acclaimed releases Cannibal (73/100) and Warrior (71/100)? No?

[collin]

Y'all: being a "top pop girl" isn't always a "good thing"... just remember that.

[Reb'l Rêveur]

You classify Gaga as A-lister but not Katy? Hmnn... Katy is A+

[Alpha]

not by any means

[lonnie]

Originally posted by $oldier;19709014[B

]Except I've said nothing other than that she's not a main pop girl from my first post in this thread. Please keep up.[/B]

If we're going to be talking acclaim however, do I need to bring up her two critically acclaimed releases Cannibal (73/100) and Warrior (71/100)? No?

well I assumed you were saying she is plus how is someone supposed to keep up with all your posts and I did no say she lacked critical acclaim,anyway as you've mentioned she isn't a major pop girl and that's what's important
good day

[Aurora]

Originally posted by collin

Y'all: being a "top pop girl" isn't always a "good thing"... just remember that.

We're on ATRL. It's the only good thing apparently, aside from sales and touring receipts, records and awards.

[Aerosol]

Originally posted by $oldier

Not at all. You could test 100 people and find that only 10 of them know who Ke$ha is. I could do the same and find that 70 out of my 100 people know who Ke$ha is.

Not you hypothesizing your own best-case scenario statistics after criticizing me for my own. Do it then.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by Aerosol

Not you hypothesizing your own best-case-scenario statistics after criticizing me for my own. Do it then.

I... just... no... I don't even...

I literally plucked two random numbers out of thin air in order to prove how impractical your idea to poll a few people in our area was in order to obtain an idea of what the GP thinks of Ke$ha. Surely you must understand that.

[K$Ellie]

Originally posted by slayships

Lol not in any way shape or form. Her remaining 9 stans need to get it though their heads as well that she's not a major pop girl

not with that avi

[collin]

Originally posted by $oldier

We're on ATRL. It's the only good thing apparently, aside from sales and touring receipts, records and awards.

I mean, I just don't really think it matters if Ke$ha is or ever has been a "major pop girl". Where do we get after deciding which pop culture niche she belongs to? Literally nowhere. And it doesn't even mean anything. The musical quality, intentions and act surrounding Ke$ha, and ALL artists, is what matters, not "tier".

[Aurora]

Originally posted by collin

I mean, I just don't really think it matters if Ke$ha is or ever has been a "major pop girl". Where do we get after deciding which pop culture niche she belongs to? Literally nowhere. And it doesn't even mean anything. The musical quality, intentions and act surrounding Ke$ha, and ALL artists, is what matters, not "tier".

Nothing I haven't already said in this very thread.

Originally posted by $oldier

I consider "main" pop girls to be A-listers. Thus Ke$ha would not be a "main" pop girl at this moment in time. Not that these kinds of classifications have any real impact on anything. I mean Katy is undeniably a main pop girl but this "status" didn't make Unconditionally a smash hit, nor did Gaga's status as a main pop girl make Applause #1 or Do What U Want a Top 10. These are just labels that fans and stans give to their artists to make them feel like their fave is doing well. I mean I'm sure that there are still plenty of people who consider Britney an A-list pop girl because of her past. I personally like to go on what's happening right now more so than what has happened.

And before any pressed soul feels the need to report this, I'm literally not even being shady. I'm just saying how it is. The GP don't care how famous you are, if they don't like the music they won't buy it. It's really that simple.

Originally posted by $oldier

The funny thing is, sales, touring receipts and awards are usually the first things that those who stan for success ask for. It's actually kind of cringeworthy, because it's basically like waving around your stan card and saying, "Look how successful my fave is! Aren't they great? My fave is better than your fave." Music shouldn't be about that. Warrior flopped and ultimately I'm okay with that because I enjoy the album and I appreciate the hard work that Ke$ha put into her record. That's enough for me.

[johnsuxx]

No, she's at Disney girl level right now (sans Miley). She was at one stage though.

[Twixxted]

Originally posted by Vin

Ke$ha is miles above artists like Nicki Minaj and Miley Cyrus and Lorde.



...Vin

Why isn't she selling as much as them then?

[collin]

I love how people act as if how "relevant" you are actually matters Especially an artist like Ke$ha, whose entire persona has been basically trashed and gutted by businessmen like Dr. Luke who shape their careers like PlayDoh with little aversion or backlash. There's definitely something wrong there.

[collin]

Originally posted by Vin

Ke$ha is miles above artists like Nicki Minaj and Miley Cyrus and Lorde.



...Vin

You should avoid making these sweeping, subjective generalizations. It's not a good look

[Aerosol]

Originally posted by $oldier

I... just... no... I don't even...

I literally plucked two random numbers out of thin air in order to prove how impractical your idea to poll a few people in our area was in order to obtain an idea of what the GP thinks of Ke$ha. Surely you must understand that.

I get the fallibility of statistics. All I really had to say about this topic was that Kesha is not considered a major pop girl and the boogeyman GP is not as aware of who she is as her top-selling single(s) might suggest.

Originally posted by collin

I mean, I just don't really think it matters if Ke$ha is or ever has been a "major pop girl". Where do we get after deciding which pop culture niche she belongs to? Literally nowhere. And it doesn't even mean anything. The musical quality, intentions and act surrounding Ke$ha, and ALL artists, is what matters, not "tier".

Okay, but that was the question posed in this thread, and people answered. Just be honest with yourself. You know you wouldn't be answering in this way if you truly believed that she WAS a major pop girl, so instead of debating those who don't answer in the way you want to hear, just say that in the first place.

[collin]

Originally posted by Aerosol

I get the fallibility of statistics. All I really had to say about this topic was that Kesha is not considered a major pop girl and the boogeyman GP is not as aware of who she is as her top-selling single(s) might suggest.

Okay, but that was the question posed in this thread, and people answered. Just be honest with yourself. You know you wouldn't be answering in this way if you truly believed that she WAS a major pop girl, so instead of debating those who don't answer in the way you want to hear, just say that in the first place.

What are you so concerned about? I'll speak however I choose

[Aurora]

Originally posted by Aerosol

I get the fallibility of statistics. All I really had to say about this topic was that Kesha is not considered a major pop girl and the boogeyman GP is not as aware of who she is as her top-selling single(s) might suggest.

And all I really had to say about your comments was that there is no way that you can claim that the GP is not aware of who she is because it's simply nonfactual, and no amount of polling or surveying will give you accurate enough results to prove otherwise.