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Poll: The 7 Leading Ladies of the 00s: Which had the Most Impact?
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View Poll Results: Who had the most impact/left the biggest legacy
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Beyonce
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76 |
29.92% |
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Britney
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107 |
42.13% |
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P!nk
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19 |
7.48% |
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JLo
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5 |
1.97% |
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Avril
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8 |
3.15% |
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Christina
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24 |
9.45% |
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Shakira
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15 |
5.91% |
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Originally posted by swissman
That's because she was influential and successful in the 90s, 00s. Let's not forget her #1 single directly contributed to a word being put in the dictionary, that her music video went viral and was mimicked from everyone from popstars to presidents, that Crazy in Love was one of only a few singles from popstars that made it onto critics' Decade-End Best Of Lists and that Destiny's Child was the biggest girl group for a while.
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You have already said the exact same thing in another thread... I don't think Beyonce had nearly as much of an impact as you claim. Britney revived POP. If it wasn't for her today there would be no pop girls as we know them. Maybe even Beyonce would have struggled.
Britney did pave the way to every pop girl of the 00s and that is fact. Beyonce was a huge impact too but not nearly as relevant as Britney's.
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I love how Britney fans love to pretend the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys didn't happen first tho. The pop revival train had already rolled out of the station long before Britney put on that little school girl uniform. There's no denying she was huge and ended up the biggest, but come on.
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Originally posted by mindim1000
Excuse me and do not pass me as a hater cause I do enjoy Beyonce's music very much. She has divercity bigger than Britney, jumping from pop to RnB, to Soul/Jazz to Hip-Hop, to Dance. But I do think the Beyhive is making her much more than she is too. Beyonce is much more of a try-hard compared to Brit (that said, it's not neccesarily bad). Like Beyonce from the start of her career to now, she has tried her best for everything to be perfect. She has been competitve, she has been a perfectionist and kinda insecure that she will not be seen as weak. Britney did that same thing too from 2000-2003 but her attitude was more "i dont give a --". Like Britney wanted to do her best and she didnt care what the others did, Beyonce always kinda tried to stay ahead of things, to follow trends. Britney did what she did effortlessly, and by that I do not mean by sitting at her home, but by having a more "chill" attitude towards her career. Hency why Beyonce gets all that recognition: meeting with the President (Hello? Any popstar could do that if they were political but Britney has chosen not to) and being recognised by older legends. And Britney has been recognised by Madonna, Janet, MJ, Mariah, Celine, Cher, Aerosmith, Barbra Streisand too and all that happened without her aimin' at it.
And another huge difference between the 2 is that Britney managed what she has by herself. Beyonce always had someone either if that was her dad, her husband or her group.
Bottom line, in my eyes Beyonce is a control freak who doesnt want to be seen in a bad eye, since why her team try to buy-off her bad pictures, why she released her album the way she did etc. She wants to be seen as Mrs. Perfect, as Mrs. Flawless but that's not human possible. That's why Britney had by showing her human side more impact than any Women empowrment revolution that has already be done better and before by Madonna, Cher etc., because she was from the first people in that "perfectionist" industry, to show she is a human. And she paid the price for that.
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This post is everything. I do like Beyonce and she's crazy talented but she is a try hard. She wants to be perfect and I just don't buy it, I never did actually. She's a control freak and she is all about the image and propaganda. Meetings with the president, buying off pictures on the internet. She literally can't handle being see as anything other than being Mrs. Perfect. Britney on the other hand was being herself the whole time. Ultimately it got to her and she had a massive breakdown but it's her that people think of when you question: Who was THE pop girl of the 00s?
The Hive is giving Beyonce way too much credit. I do think even Christina Aguilera had a bigger impact in the 00s in some ways.
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
You have already said the exact same thing in another thread... I don't think Beyonce had nearly as much of an impact as you claim. Britney revived POP. If it wasn't for her today there would be no pop girls as we know them. Maybe even Beyonce would have struggled.
Britney did pave the way to every pop girl of the 00s and that is fact. Beyonce was a huge impact too but not nearly as relevant as Britney's.
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Britney > Beyonce >>> Christina = Shakira >>> P!nk = J. Lo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avril
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
This post is everything. I do like Beyonce and she's crazy talented but she is a try hard. She wants to be perfect and I just don't buy it, I never did actually. She's a control freak and she is all about the image and propaganda. Meetings with the president, buying off pictures on the internet. She literally can't handle being see as anything other than being Mrs. Perfect. Britney on the other hand was being herself the whole time. Ultimately it got to her and she had a massive breakdown but it's her that people think of when you question: Who was THE pop girl of the 00s?
The Hive is giving Beyonce way too much credit. I do think even Christina Aguilera had a bigger impact in the 00s in some ways.
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Ia. Christina may have little success now but being called the voice of a generation for like a decade is pretty important imo 
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Originally posted by mindim1000
Beyonce always kinda tried to stay ahead of things, to follow trends. …Hency why Beyonce gets all that recognition: meeting with the President (Hello? Any popstar could do that if they were political but Britney has chosen not to)….
And another huge difference between the 2 is that Britney managed what she has by herself. Beyonce always had someone either if that was her dad, her husband or her group.
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I'll number your points I'm commenting on:
1) What trends does Beyonce always try to follow? Some singles are made for the charts (Irreplaceable, Halo) but most are incredibly unique and not linked to trends (Crazy in Love, Ring the Alarm, Run the World, Deja Vu, Single Ladies, Love on Top, Countdown, Ego, Diva, etc.)
2) You can't just say that "If she wanted to she could". If you want to allow that type of reasoning then so many possibilities could be discussed.
3) Both Britney and Beyonce have had incredible amounts of influence in their careers from other people. The difference is that Beyonce has come out of it with full control.
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
You have already said the exact same thing in another thread... I don't think Beyonce had nearly as much of an impact as you claim. Britney revived POP. If it wasn't for her today there would be no pop girls as we know them. Maybe even Beyonce would have struggled.
Britney did pave the way to every pop girl of the 00s and that is fact. Beyonce was a huge impact too but not nearly as relevant as Britney's.
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I said something similar to this but it wouldn't let me post it because the thread was closed. But that doesn't really matter because this is a different thread. I doubt Beyonce would have struggled if pop music wasn't "revived" as you say. Beyonce never did anything that sounded even close to a Britney track.
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Originally posted by Quiqui4eva
Britney > Beyonce >>> Christina = Shakira >>> P!nk = J. Lo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avril
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Don't be shady. Avril had a BIG impact on the 00s. It's ignorant to overlook her like that.
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
This post is everything. I do like Beyonce and she's crazy talented but she is a try hard. She wants to be perfect and I just don't buy it, I never did actually. She's a control freak and she is all about the image and propaganda. Meetings with the president, buying off pictures on the internet. She literally can't handle being see as anything other than being Mrs. Perfect. Britney on the other hand was being herself the whole time. Ultimately it got to her and she had a massive breakdown but it's her that people think of when you question: Who was THE pop girl of the 00s?
The Hive is giving Beyonce way too much credit. I do think even Christina Aguilera had a bigger impact in the 00s in some ways.
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So she "tries hard" and "isn't herself" because she stays out of the controversy and doesn't do anything over-the-top for attention? What proof do you have that she wants to be known as Mrs. Perfect?
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
Don't be shady. Avril had a BIG impact on the 00s. It's ignorant to overlook her like that.
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I agree that Avril had a big impact but it was an impact that was a reaction to another impact (Britney, Christina, Jessica, etc.) and so hasn't really carried over. I know we're discussing the 2000s so it's a valid point but I think it can get overlooked because it was anti-pop pop music and so can't really last as a popular style as pop-music is also changing.
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Originally posted by Phoenixx
Don't be shady. Avril had a BIG impact on the 00s. It's ignorant to overlook her like that.
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I know she had impact. Hence why she's one of the 7 leading ladies of the decade. She was huge during her first two albums, but kinda declined for the rest of the time frame. "Girlfriend" is the only hit I remember from her after 2004 for that decade.
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Shakira is the symbol of belly dancing. According to men, she's among the sexiest pop girls alive. Hips Don't Lie is one of the most iconic hits of the decade, if not the most
Britney is the symbol of teen pop and fame. Her debut era and her sophomore were incredibly successful and immediately made her the new princess of pop, undestroyable even if she flops.
Beyoncé is the best (solo) performer of the industry, talent and success-wise still growing every day. Her career is impressive, she lead one of the most successful and most iconic girl groups of all time and is a role model to teenage girls.
Avril is an icon for the more alternative teenagers.
Jennifer is a multi-talented phenomenon making pretty big impact on both film and music industry. Everybody knows her name.
P!nk is the most consistent artist of the 00s. She is known for her acrobatic performance skills.
Christina made huge impact with her cover of Lady Marmalade, it is seen as one of the biggest female collaborations this century.
So, all of them made big impact. I think the one with the most impact is the one who's still very successful right now. Their earlier success translated into a longlasting, successful career. Those are the careers of Beyonce, P!nk and Shakira.
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Originally posted by Quiqui4eva
So she "tries hard" and "isn't herself" because she stays out of the controversy and doesn't do anything over-the-top for attention? What proof do you have that she wants to be known as Mrs. Perfect?
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The fact her tream tried to remove her unflattering pictures from the Internet exchanging it with exclusives? 
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Originally posted by swissman
I'll number your points I'm commenting on:
1) What trends does Beyonce always try to follow? Some singles are made for the charts (Irreplaceable, Halo) but most are incredibly unique and not linked to trends (Crazy in Love, Ring the Alarm, Run the World, Deja Vu, Single Ladies, Love on Top, Countdown, Ego, Diva, etc.)
2) You can't just say that "If she wanted to she could". If you want to allow that type of reasoning then so many possibilities could be discussed.
3) Both Britney and Beyonce have had incredible amounts of influence in their careers from other people. The difference is that Beyonce has come out of it with full control.
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About #3 all the songwriters/producers who have worked with Britney have said how proffesional she is, how much she respects them and how she likes to express what she wants. Songwriters and producers of Beyonce on the other hand have accused her for stealing credits. Which one of the 2 sounds more 'being in control' to you?
About #2 I only mentioned that to emphasize on Britney's idgaf attitude 
About #1, it's a misunderstood of my word, my English are not the best lol, i didnt mean Beyonce partitularly practiced the trends rather than following them, as in being educated/updated on them, because she wanted to stay ahead of her time. Britney I dont think is that much of a follower of what's in, she just does what she likes
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Originally posted by mindim1000
The fact her tream tried to remove her unflattering pictures from the Internet exchanging it with exclusives? |
I was about to say that. Trying to be perfect is not a bad thing but it can put people off and I certainly can't stand it. And since we are talking about Beyonce's impact on people and since I'm a person I can say that I don't relate to her at all. So her impact on me was not relevant at all. On the other hand Britney's songs are still BOPS. Just a few days ago I was with my friends in the car and we were singing like every Britney song from the 00s. We BOPed to Britney, Pink and even the anti-britney Avril. Sadly no one cared for Beyonce this time.
This isn't strong argument but it is an example of what I see on a daily basis OUTSIDE of ATRL.
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Not you all denying Avril's impact in music by putting Shakira and J-Lo above her 
If she didn't make such impact then why Katy Perry and a lot other artist had to be some sort of "Avril" in order to appeal to the GP?
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Originally posted by mindim1000
The fact her tream tried to remove her unflattering pictures from the Internet exchanging it with exclusives? |
First, look at the bold.
Second, would you want unflattering pictures of you floating around the internet? Are you trying to be perfect if you want them deleted?
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Originally posted by mindim1000
About #3 all the songwriters/producers who have worked with Britney have said how proffesional she is, how much she respects them and how she likes to express what she wants. Songwriters and producers of Beyonce on the other hand have accused her for stealing credits. Which one of the 2 sounds more 'being in control' to you?
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There are many more producers who have worked with Beyonce who have spoken well of her (professional, talented, etc.) than who have not. The idea of accessing who is more in control of their career based on the opinions of producers is forgetting so many other aspects of one's career anyway and shouldn't be the lone way to claim control.
To me, you could express what you want, be respectful and professional but that doesn't mean you're in control. It sounds more like she just lets them do what they want with a few "yes" or "no" answers thrown in there.
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
Avril's the reason Kelly was able to be successful. She brought pop rock to the forefront of the early 2000s tbh. Without Avril, there would have been no Hilary, Ashlee, etc.
There'd even be no Katy/Ke$ha today tbh.
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