Let's revisit YOUR initial comment. Oh yes europe being comprised of 47 different countries is the same, as America which is only one country I get it so much now. Go on sis educate me. But I gotta ask a question if Europe is like the U.S. then why does each country have it's own version of itunes???
You are a US citizen.
I am an EU citizen.
Of course there are huge differences, but there are some similarities and parallels can be made. To make it simple for you, my point is that my statements about Europe are valid because I live in one of many European countries, but not in a bubble. We are aware of whats popular.
MTV Europe + EMAs
VH1 Europe
European airplay chart
European singles chart
European albums chart
aired weekly in all countries from which the results are generated and so on, you know.
- Janet never had global hits, then only one is TA.
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While Kylie has at least four global top 10 hits.
Name them, and what are you basing this off? Mediatraffic? If so then Janet slays Kylie there too.
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- Kylie's last three eras have done way better than Janet's, hence I say Janet is a forgotten act. It is stupid to deny Kylie's career has been in a better shape than Janet's, last decade.
Janet was blacklisted from radio and MTV and received harsh backlash from Superbowl, not to mention her promotion went down, she didn't just become 'randomly' forgotten like you claim.
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Anyway, I think Janet stans are misleading my point. I don't really see any of them as iconic. That's a strong word for both of them. Kylie might be iconic to Aussies and Janet to african-americans.
So now you believe Kylie is just iconic to Aussies? I thought she was a global star? Make up your mind.
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This went out of proportion based solely on a "CGYOOMH >>> Janet's career". Anyway, my life won't be affected if Janet is or is not iconic so farewell.
Yes it did because if you look at both their careers as a whole, one of them is much more global, and heres a hint, it's not Kylie. She can have that one single.
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I have been saying since the beginning: "african-americans and US based acts.", look it up. And you just confirmed it.
Apparently you have a short memory, i named acts that didn't grow up in America that were influenced by Janet yesterday, while you have yet to name us ANYONE influenced by Kylie.
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A legend? Time for Janet's stans to stop being massively deluded. I have never denied her influence in african-american and US based acts, but she is by no means seen as a legend outside of the US. Let me guess, most of you are american and probably black people. Blinded and deluded stans will never change...
I'm not. Infact as you can see i live in Australia, Kylie's home country. And unlike most people on here from Europe saying Kylie simply because she's bigger in their country, she must be bigger in any other continent, i was objective enough to look up both their receipts to see who was more 'Global"
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Name them, and what are you basing this off? Mediatraffic? If so then Janet slays Kylie there too.
Janet was blacklisted from radio and MTV and received harsh backlash from Superbowl, not to mention her promotion went down, she didn't just become 'randomly' forgotten like you claim.
So now you believe Kylie is just iconic to Aussies? I thought she was a global star? Make up your mind.
Yes it did because if you look at both their careers as a whole, one of them is much more global, and heres a hint, it's not Kylie. She can have that one single.
Apparently you have a short memory, i named acts that didn't grow up in America that were influenced by Janet yesterday, while you have yet to name us ANYONE influenced by Kylie.
I'm not. Infact as you can see i live in Australia, Kylie's home country. And unlike most people on here from Europe saying Kylie simply because she's bigger in their country, she must be bigger in any other continent, i was objective enough to look up both their receipts to see who was more 'Global"
You're too much dude. You act like your life depends on Janet's status. It's kind of creepy, chill out.
Three of those songs did chart decently, I will give you those. No, it was based on peaks. If you want to use Mediatraffic: CGYOOMH >>> any Janet's song (by a HUGE margin). And you can keep your excuses of her decline to yourself.
I never stated Kylie was a global icon. I just said CGYOOMH was bigger than anything off Janet's career, which is true. And you're still unable to accept it and move on. She is still getting top 10 hits (last album, no GH) and she just successfully toured around the world. She is more relevant than Janet is nowadays, she has also had better peaks overall. The fact that the new generation can't even name one Janet song speaks volumes.
The only non-US based and/or african american act you named, were The Spice Girls. You want names, ok. Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Spice Girls, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Katy Perry, and a lot of UK acts.
Did you really? Cause Kylie has had better peaks overall. Anyway, you seems like one of those overly deluded and defensive stans. So let's just agree to disagree. I never attempted to change your mind, if you want to believe Janet is the biggest and most influential act of all time, do it. I, as many others, don't see Janet as an icon, that doesn't really need to get under your skin so much. Learn how to live with opinions different from yours.
You're too much dude. You act like your life depends on Janet's status. It's kind of creepy, chill out.
Three of those songs did chart decently, I will give you those. No, it was based on peaks. If you want to use Mediatraffic: CGYOOMH >>> any Janet's song (by a HUGE margin). And you can keep your excuses of her decline to yourself.
I never stated Kylie was a global icon. I just said CGYOOMH was bigger than anything off Janet's career, which is true. And you're still unable to accept it and move on. She is still getting top 10 hits (last album, no GH) and she just successfully toured around the world. She is more relevant than Janet is nowadays, she has also had better peaks overall. The fact that the new generation can't even name one Janet song speaks volumes.
The only non-US based and/or african american act you named, were The Spice Girls. You want names, ok. Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Spice Girls, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Katy Perry, and a lot of UK acts.
Did you really? Cause Kylie has had better peaks overall. Anyway, you seems like one of those overly deluded and defensive stans. So let's just agree to disagree. I never attempted to change your mind, if you want to believe Janet is the biggest and most influential act of all time, do it. I, as many others, don't see Janet as an icon, that doesn't really need to get under your skin so much. Learn how to live with opinions different from yours.
Whatttt?! This is ATRL, I'm as "obsessed" as any other stan on this website, it's a discussion forum. If you can't refute most things i say that doesn't make me obsessed and freaky, your the one getting personal here not me
You did state Kylie was a global star (See your very first comment made to this thread) and i just pointed out that you can't call one of them global and the other local when Kylie's bread and butter is the UK and Australia.
Kylie herself is influenced by Janet, she sampled a Janet track on one of her songs, Danni Minogue also loves Janet, they aren't American are they? Robyn, Sam Sparrow, Havana Brown, Jessica Mauboy, Crystal Kay, Namie Amuro, BOA are also more artist's she's influenced OTUS.
How do you know people can't name a Janet song? Have you traveled around the world to ask everyone? Only the new generation from Europe are sleeping on her (as evident in this thread) however users on here from Asia and Africa have commented about how regarded Janet is in their countries. So where do we go from there?
There are plenty of artist's that are more iconic than Janet, Kylie just isn't one of them
I have been saying since the beginning: "african-americans and US based acts.", look it up. And you just confirmed it.
American artists are the most well-known kinds of artists. So because Janet is also AMERICAN, when you talk about the artists she has influenced, the first names mentioned are most likely to be...AMERICAN. If I talk about the artists Whitney has influenced, I'll mention Mariah, Beyonce, Mary J. Blige and J-Hud before Leona Lewis.
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A legend? Time for Janet's stans to stop being massively deluded. I have never denied her influence in african-american and US based acts, but she is by no means seen as a legend outside of the US.
What kinda nonsense...
Janet's accomplishments and contributions to popular culture are IMPORTANT. Kylie not so much.
Janet, through her talent and sexuality, created a unique image that urban and pop acts have been drawing inspiration from for three decades, as well as contributing to bridging the gap between pop and urban music with the sounds of New Jackswing, socially conscious lyrics and peerless performance ability, becoming one of the MAJOR influences in performers of all kinds of music today. In addition, she was one of the FEW African-American artists of her time to gain prominence and find major success on the level or exceeding that of her white peers.
Kylie? Oh.
Being a successful and progressive black person (esp. in America) holds certain significance, thus to demean her as not being a legend or say she's not a legend outside of the US because of her influence in African-American acts is ignorant. That's like saying "James Brown isn't a legend outside of the US" or "Aretha Franklin isn't a legend outside of the US".
She has influenced so many artists, who have gained worldwide success by referencing her work directly.
Janet is an ICON. A FAR bigger icon than Kylie Minogue is, as well as being a legend. Her work and accomplishments have stood the test of time, hence her immense influence and innovation, whereas Kylie has just been able to maintain. That's lovely, but she's not in Janet's realm, much less above it.
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Let me guess, most of you are american and probably black people. Blinded and deluded stans will never change...
I can't....you should read this out loud, just so you know how ridiculous you sound.
Some of you want to talk about reaches, but when defining what makes an icon, you mention charts, sales, fame, outfits, hair, boots, jewelry and misuse the term "impact", especially when it pertains to pop culture.
Janet is an icon. I'll go ahead and say legend. And towards blacks (African-Americans) or the US either. But Kylie is one as well throughout Europe. Both ladies are legendary in the areas that the other isn't. It's THAT simple .
It's cool and all that people are supporting Janet in this thread, but you aren't getting anywhere belittling Kylie either. And Kylie's influenced thousands as well.
Some of you want to talk about reaches, but when defining what makes an icon, you mention charts, sales, fame, outfits, hair, boots, jewelry and misuse the term "impact", especially when it pertains to pop culture.
That's the common thing on this website Chimier, when someone asks who is more iconic, people automatically jump to "globalness" and "sales". If that's the case, JLO must be a bigger icon than Judy Garland
That's the common thing on this website Chimier, when someone asks who is more iconic, people automatically jump to "globalness" and "sales". If that's the case, JLO must be a bigger icon than Judy Garland
A few stats from Wikipedia, mixed with assumptions, ignorant and incorrect statements, but no actual knowledge, and voila lol!
I have been saying since the beginning: "african-americans and US based acts.", look it up. And you just confirmed it.
No you stated this comment:
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Anyway, I think Janet stans are misleading my point. I don't really see any of them as iconic. That's a strong word for both of them. Kylie might be iconic to Aussies and Janet to african-americans.
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Yass sis clock the tea. And we all know the likes of Britney Spears, Xtina, JT, The Pussycat Dolls, the rest of N'SYNC & J.LO, Tiffany etc... are all african americans.
Re read the entire comment taking into context yours and why I replied in such a way before you go off and say terms like look it up.
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A legend? Time for Janet's stans to stop being massively deluded. I have never denied her influence in african-american and US based acts, but she is by no means seen as a legend outside of the US. Let me guess, most of you are american and probably black people. Blinded and deluded stans will never change...
Yass sis her impact is undeniable from the tour receipts, to the album sales, iconic moments and her influence/impact being as of evidence of that. So you mean to tell me a female artist who has several stars following her blueprint, and throughout her career is noticed for being sonically innovative/said to have recorded some of the best material of all time. The same woman who was the only other Jackson member to be extremely successful and step out of the shadow of her famed brother, is that not the makings of a legend?? Oh okay
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Oh, and no need to try the smarty-pants attitude with me, and get overly defensive over someone who doesn't even know you exist.
And the bold is your so called great comeback since when was replying to an ignorant comment that janet is solely iconic to african americans a means of having a smarty pants attitude. For one I am not african american and several artists that I have named who were influenced by her are not african americans. Maybe if you had stronger arguments you woudn't feel the need to throw around names
I grew up listening to more Kylie than Janet, so I would say Kylie. Before I joined these music forums I barely knew Janet was a superstar in the US, it's so weird to think we've listened to basically nothing from her in my country.
The ignorance on Kylie is too much, y'all could have at least done some research.
It's literally the biggest kii of the night.
Really if it's way too much for you to contain a simple posting of receipts and making a strong point would be enough to prove your claims that Kylie is far more iconic. But I have a feeling you won't do that
Who gives a damn about research? What is that gonna solve? One selling more than another, whether it's on a global or local scale, doesn't matter. I'm basing it on how much I've heard about them, whether it's by their hits or public attention, ever since I started listening to music. Honestly, I never even knew Kylie's name until more recently. Janet was extremely relevant for most of my life(obviously not in the past few years tho). You can bring down my opinion and show me all the "receipts" you want, but I'm not changing my opinion.
Really if it's way too much for you to contain a simple posting of receipts and making a strong point would be enough to prove your claims that Kylie is far more iconic. But I have a feeling you won't do that
At least the polls are reflecting the truth here. 
When were yall born in this decade? 
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