[Ghost]

Who produced this?

[tbhmatt]

Originally posted by Ghost

Who produced this?

Savan Kotecha

[Varys]

Originally posted by Ghost

Who produced this?

Most likely shellback and max martin.

[Great Username]

Ffs is there anything worse than people who want music to be 'mature', as if that actually means anything.

[tbhmatt]

Originally posted by Great Username

Ffs is there anything worse than people who want music to be 'mature', as if that actually means anything.

um... considering she's stated in interviews that she's veered away from the "Bubblegum pop" sound and actually gone for a more mature sound, I don't see why its so unthinkable for me to expect her to actually live up to those claims?

I can't at you people acting like her releasing more mature sounding (im talking about lyrical content here) music is a BAD thing. She lost a lot of respect from the general public for veering away from the edginess that made her stand out during the x factor - from Turn My Swag On to songs like Oath? Seriously? A lot of people criticised her for being too "american" and too "bubblegum"

and yes, there are a lot of things worse. such as people who seem to think that music can't be "mature" and doesn't want to see an artist progress.

[Great Username]

'Respect', yawwwwwwwwwwwn. I mean, as long as you realise maturity doesn't have to mean dull, overly serious piano ballads! The GP respects Adele, so what they respect is not relevant to my life.

[Varys]

Originally posted by tbhmatt

um... considering she's stated in interviews that she's veered away from the "Bubblegum pop" sound and actually gone for a more mature sound, I don't see why its so unthinkable for me to expect her to actually live up to those claims?

I can't at you people acting like her releasing more mature sounding (im talking about lyrical content here) music is a BAD thing. She lost a lot of respect from the general public for veering away from the edginess that made her stand out during the x factor - from Turn My Swag On to songs like Oath? Seriously? A lot of people criticised her for being too "american" and too "bubblegum"

and yes, there are a lot of things worse. such as people who seem to think that music can't be "mature" and doesn't want to see an artist progress.

Define mature pop music? Cher's only 20 years old

The only thing cher should be doing is getting that

[tbhmatt]

Originally posted by Great Username

'Respect', yawwwwwwwwwwwn. I mean, as long as you realise maturity doesn't have to mean dull, overly serious, Adele-like piano ballads.

I never said anything about her releasing "dull, overly serious, Adele-like piano ballads"

She's perfectly capable of making songs with more edge and a mature sound (see songs like Talkin' That and Love Me For Me) and I merely meant I would like to see her make more songs a long a similar vein to those rather than some of the more "immature" (for want of a better word) songs on Sticks & Stones such as Oath.

[Liamallstar]

^ I agree when we first met cher she was a feisty girl with an edge which made her stand out from the crowd which is why she was so talked about in the UK but I feel when she got the US she started to drift into this tween pop singer that sings bubblegum pop


I think cher felt as though she'd came from X factor this mature young artist to sing pop Songs with a gritty edge to take two steps back into pulling her down to a slightly more younger tween sound and now she just wants to take a leap forward to progress what she started and let her music grow with her age.

And of course It means something surely you didn't think she'd sing albums full of oaths all her career

[Great Username]

Originally posted by Varys

Define mature pop music? Cher's only 20 years old

People always need females to grow up ridiculously quickly. Such BS male-gazing tbh! Dead @ a 20-year-old girl having to conform to some antiquated ideal of 'maturity'.

[Varys]

Originally posted by Liamallstar

^ I agree when we first met cher she was a feisty girl with an edge which made her stand out from the crowd which is why she was so talked about in the UK but I feel when she got the US she started to drift into this tween pop singer that sings bubblegum pop


I think cher felt as though she'd came from X factor this mature young artist to sing pop Songs with a gritty edge to take two steps back into pulling her down to a slightly more younger tween sound and now she just wants to take a leap forward to progress what she started and let her music grow with her age.

And of course It means something surely you didn't think she'd sing albums full of oaths all her career

You don't think S &S was a little too mature for a 17 year old (at the time of recording)?

I wish sounds dope

[tbhmatt]

Originally posted by Great Username

People always need females to grow up ridiculously quickly. Such BS male-gazing tbh! Dead @ a 20-year-old girl having to conform to some antiquated ideal of 'maturity'.

um.. Cher's said herself that she doesn't want to be a bubblegum princess? In fact the very reason WHY she was one of the stand out contestants on The X Factor in 2010 is because she was the exact opposite of the typical bubblegum pop star we normally get from this show. She doesnt want to release bubblegum pop music.

[Thorpz]

Its clear that I Wish is not bubblegum pop lol
And NOT we defining her album based on previews of a lead single.
According to this logic, S&S was supposed to be full of Swagger Jaggers

[Liamallstar]

Originally posted by Varys

You don't think S &S was a little too mature for a 17 year old (at the time of recording)?

I wish sounds dope

She was never Britain's Sweetheart she was never expected to release the bubblegum pop album the grittier songs on sticks and stones is what people expected from her

[Thorpz]

Excited to see how the UK will react!

[tbhmatt]

I only brought the "bubblegum pop" thing up because its not the kind of music cher really wants to release and its not the kind of music we expected from her either.

but yes, it's clear that I Wish and the new album will not be bubblegum pop, fortunately.

[Liamallstar]

Originally posted by Thorpz

Excited to see how the UK will react!

I think they'll like it she just has to promote it here and make the music video a lot less americanised as that will be a big switch off for UK viewers

[Thorpz]

Originally posted by Liamallstar

I think they'll like it she just has to promote it here and make the music video a lot less americanised as that will be a big switch off for UK viewers

Syco where you at

[tbhmatt]

If the October release date in the UK is confirmed she could get a performance slot on The X Factor results show, that might give her a boost in sales.

[Varys]

Originally posted by tbhmatt

If the October release date in the UK is confirmed she could get a performance slot on The X Factor results show, that might give her a boost in sales.

Wouldn't she still be on tour?