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Poll: Which artist is holding the industry back?
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View Poll Results: Which artist is holding the industry back?
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Pink
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16.18% |
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Katy Perry
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28 |
16.18% |
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Lady Gaga
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29 |
16.76% |
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Rihanna
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21 |
12.14% |
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Beyonce
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21 |
12.14% |
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Ke$ha
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17 |
9.83% |
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Britney Spears
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20 |
11.56% |
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Other (Specify)
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9 |
5.20% |
Member Since: 4/30/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Is that why Britney, Katy, Rihanna, The Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, and a bucket list of other artists were smashing with dance-pop songs BEFORE Gaga? Is that why I Gotta Feeling sold more than PF and JD? Is that why Hot n Cold is only 1x platinum behind JD and PF in sales? Dance-pop was already a trend before Gaga became popular. You're all confusing her massive debut with having impact. She came in at the right time, but loads of other artists helped paved the way for her to get there, Katy being one of them.
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As much as I do like her, the Monsters kill me acting like Gaga invented music when she basically capitalized on the sound that artists like Rihanna and Katy had already made popular.
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Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Originally posted by HeavyMetalLover.
WTF? Bad Romance's production sounds like Judas? Are you deaf? Just Dance doesn't sound like Poker Face. The only think that sounds the same between JD and PF is that RedOne traditional sound at 0:16 in PF.
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J-j-j-just dance
P-p-p-poker face p-p-poker face
So different.  And if you honestly think Bad Romance doesn't sound like Judas when Little Monsters themselves compare the two all the time is just.
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2011/04/15/lady-gaga-judas-2/
Just stop
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Member Since: 6/22/2012
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I honestly CAN'T at the fact gaga has the most votes when she is the only one on the list not afraid to take risks and pushes boundaries in bother her performance art and music.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Is that why Britney, Katy, Rihanna, The Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, and a bucket list of other artists were smashing with dance-pop songs BEFORE Gaga? Is that why I Gotta Feeling sold more than PF and JD? Is that why Hot n Cold is only 1x platinum behind JD and PF in sales? Dance-pop was already a trend before Gaga became popular. You're all confusing her massive debut with having impact. She came in at the right time, but loads of other artists helped paved the way for her to get there, Katy being one of them.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say because you basically said what I did but in an angrier way. I'm not saying Gaga singe-handedly did it. HOWEVER she is the one constantly mentioned when discussing the resurgence of it. No one says that Katy did it, or the Black Eyed Peas, or even Britney did it because they are pop artists, its not interesting nor noteworthy. Gaga (and I'm talking about her as an artist now) came in with her Fame concept, putting out catchy, silly pop records. She (or her label) re-packaged the idea of a pop-star to the masses, even though they didn't really go anywhere in the first place and made it "cool" to make a pop-record. Pop was discussed because of her, whereas before it was just there. And in doing so, seems to have made her mark.
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
It's a generally unpopular opinion on ATRL but I do truly believe Ke$ha is partly credible for the electro-pop wave that dominated from 2009 - 2012. No, she wasn't the first one to do it. But she was a driving force when electro-pop was at it's peak. "Tik Tok" is one of the defining songs for that particular wave. I really don't think Ke$ha should be deemed as someone who is "holding the industry back".
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You're actually kind of right. Tik Tok was bigger than any Katy Perry single so I regress my answer to just Katy. 
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by pika
So you can say that for Gaga but not Katy? Not all of Katy's singles sound the same either. Hot n Cold doesn't sound like California Gurls, Teenage Dream doesn't sound like Firework, NOTHING on the radio sounds like E.T., The One That Got Away doesn't sound like Last Friday Night etc. .etc. You all can't make up excuses for Gaga when the same things can be applied to Katy.
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They're generic because Ke$ha or any of Dr. Luke's girls could've released them and there'd be no difference.
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Originally posted by pika
Besides:
Just Dance sounds like Poker Face
Bad Romance sounds like Judas
LoveGame and Telephone are disastrous
Born This Way is already dated as hell so it regressed pop music the day it was released
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Bad Romance = Judas true. Just Dance = Poker Face is a reach. And what does your opinion on LoveGame, Telephone, or BTW have to do with anything 
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Originally posted by pika
so what is your point exactly?  |
You implied that just because Gaga's songs are mostly electropop/dance means they're automatically generic
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Originally posted by Gagamon
I honestly CAN'T at the fact gaga has the most votes when she is the only one on the list not afraid to take risks and pushes boundaries in bother her performance art and music.
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This. All of the sudden, the fact that Gaga released a polarizing pop album that's much different than her other releases is stale, bland, and holding the industry back. Diversity sure as hell does not hold the industry back.
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Member Since: 4/29/2012
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Lady Gaga + Britney + Katy + Rihanna
Lady Gaga had everyone's attention but failed to make anything out of it than generic music
Britney + Katy + Rihanna rely on generic sound and their body to sell
We need more women like Adele + Lana + P!nk who don't use their body to sell but their talent
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Britney
She siphons all the money away from all the other RCA artists.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by slobro
Lol at the trolls voting Gaga. So blinded by rage 
Even Kylie Minogue said Gaga is responsible for bringing dance music back to the mainstream. How can she be holding the industry back when she's clearly helping it move forward
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According to Minogue, the pop world has a lot to be thankful for because Gaga's been instrumental in helping move dance music forward.
“I think it’s amazing… She’s largely responsible — along with others who have brought dance to the kind of mainstream or pop arena in the states. She’s incredibly talented. She’s an absolute force to be reckoned with and I’m a great admirer,” she said.
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Kylie Minogue is the QUEEN of dancepop and even she admitted Gaga brought dance back to the mainstream. Those who try to discredit her impact need to stop making themselves look silly.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Katy.
She's done nothing progressive. I thought she was making waves with IKAG (topic wise) but the video came out and she didn't capitalize.
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Originally posted by swissman
I'm not sure what you're trying to say because you basically said what I did but in an angrier way. I'm not saying Gaga singe-handedly did it. HOWEVER she is the one constantly mentioned when discussing the resurgence of it. No one says that Katy did it, or the Black Eyed Peas, or even Britney did it because they are pop artists, its not interesting nor noteworthy. Gaga (and I'm talking about her as an artist now) came in with her Fame concept, putting out catchy, silly pop records. She (or her label) re-packaged the idea of a pop-star to the masses, even though they didn't really go anywhere in the first place and made it "cool" to make a pop-record. Pop was discussed because of her, whereas before it was just there. And in doing so, seems to have made her mark.
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HOWEVER she is the one constantly mentioned when discussing the resurgence of it.
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No, she isn't. Amongst who? Her fans? ATRL? Yeah, maybe which is why I'm saying she isn't responsible for it. Nobody but the Monsters refer to Gaga as some pioneer for pop music.
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She (or her label) re-packaged the idea of a pop-star to the masses, even though they didn't really go anywhere in the first place and made it "cool" to make a pop-record. Pop was discussed because of her, whereas before it was just there. And in doing so, seems to have made her mark.
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 She was a pretty girl that made fun songs and had an appealing personality. That's how every girl starts out. Katy started the same way, and so did Rihanna. Gaga's debut was massive, I agree. But your point about her repackaging the idea of a pop-star is a reach beyond delusional. Ask anyone in real life what they thought of Gaga's debut, and nobody will respond with that mess you typed up. You know what they'll say? "Gaga was cool back then, but now she's just too weird."
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Originally posted by slobro
They're generic because Ke$ha or any of Dr. Luke's girls could've released them and there'd be no difference.
Bad Romance = Judas true. Just Dance = Poker Face is a reach. And what does your opinion on LoveGame, Telephone, or BTW have to do with anything You implied that just because Gaga's songs are mostly electropop/dance means they're automatically generic |
You're implying that just because Katy worked with Dr. Luke that all of her singles are generic and anybody can sing them. That can apply with Gaga as well. Rihanna could've sang Just Dance, or Katy could've sang Poker Face. Just because you don't like the idea of them singing those songs does not mean they are Gaga originals and only Gaga is able to pull them off.
If Katy is so generic, name some songs that sound like Firework, E.T., Thinking of You, The One That Got Away, and Wide Awake on the radio? Working with a popular producer =/= generic. Catchy =/= generic which was my point about RedOne. Gaga HAD meetings to go back into the studio with him, is she going generic?
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You implied that just because Gaga's songs are mostly electropop/dance means they're automatically generic
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Which is exactly my point you're making about Katy.
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Originally posted by Scuba_Dive
Katy Perry.
Generic, regressive music. Sexist, offensive imagery. Mediocre talent.
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This + Britney.
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
Pink is acknowledged as the most talented act in the industry, even by the general public. She has the best performance at every show. I know you girls are mad about her success and how she is destroying your faves, but all this delusion is out of control.
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you're so right
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Pink is acknowledged as the most talented act in the industry, even by the general public. She has the best performance at every show.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Nicki. She's not helping the female rap game by monopolizing it with her "rapping".
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Except that she does, why do you think Azealia Banks, Iggy Azalea, etc. even got signed? 
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by pika
No, she isn't. Amongst who? Her fans? ATRL? Yeah, maybe which is why I'm saying she isn't responsible for it. Nobody but the Monsters refer to Gaga as some pioneer for pop music.
She was a pretty girl that made fun songs and had an appealing personality. That's how every girl starts out. Katy started the same way, and so did Rihanna. Gaga's debut was massive, I agree. But your point about her repackaging the idea of a pop-star is a reach beyond delusional. Ask anyone in real life what they thought of Gaga's debut, and nobody will respond with that mess you typed up. You know what they'll say? "Gaga was cool back then, but now she's just too weird." |
We could speculate all we want on who the GP will think started the dance-pop craze so we can just leave it at that.
Gaga did NOT start out as a pretty girl with an appealing personality. She was a weird looking girl who no personality - just mystique. She didn't really start revealing her personality until TFM and BTW and didn't start looking pretty until then either. Her early interviews are robotic (in a purposeful way I think). And if you listened to these interviews you'd hear her talk about the idea of fame and popstars and all that. I think it's pretty clear that Gaga was being tongue-in-cheek with all her pop-antics. She certainly wasn't a normal pop-star, but an exaggeration of one with her bleach blonde hair, her disco stick, her leotards and backup dancers and sexy music. I mean, THAT WAS THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE FAME ALBUM, so where is the delusion? Whether you ask someone to answer for you and take their answer as scripture or not, this is what Gaga was doing. Gaga herself said, "The Fame is about how anyone can feel famous. [...] Pop culture is art. It doesn't make you cool to hate pop culture, so I embraced it and you hear it all over The Fame." So essentially she is re-packaging what it means to be a popstar.
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Originally posted by slobro
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she referred to Gaga as an example of someone who did dance music early on... is that supposed to be some kind of receipt? 
and why would Kelly Rowland be the authority on this
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