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Poll: Does Race Still Matter In The Pop Industry?
View Poll Results: Does it?
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Yes.
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No.
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Right, because only a FEW black female artists are allowed on the top selling platform at a time. Any new acts must be compared to Rihanna/Beyonce to be put on that platform
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Females always get compared to each other though. I mean since the beginning of music in 1942 when Madonna released her first album. Madonna & Cyndi etc.
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Member Since: 9/9/2011
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Originally posted by Clump
Nah. Rihanna is way more successful than Katy, Ke$ha, Nicki, etc.
It depends on the music.
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LMAO! Where are the other back pop females?? There's only Rihanna and on occasion, Beyonce. Both are light-skinned and have good weave. You know how many magazine covers make them lighter? Look at Nicki Minaj???! Look how light she is compared to when she was starting out.
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Sometimes, sometimes not. My mind instantly jumped to Far East Movement, they're an all asian group and hade huge success with Like a G6 and then Rocketeer. Nobody cared about their race because the music was catchy. And then obviously BEP, multiethnic group once again had huge success. Although those are groups, it could be different for solo acts. Shakira's spanish language album Fijación Oral Vol. 1 sold over 1 million copies in the US, Sale el Sol went gold. So it is possible to have an "ethnic image" with "ethnic music" and make it. I guess it's more difficult though.
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Originally posted by liferekindled
LMAO! Where are the other back pop females?? There's only Rihanna and on occasion, Beyonce. Both are light-skinned and have good weave. You know how many magazine covers make them lighter? Look at Nicki Minaj???! Look how light she is compared to when she was starting out.
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Nicki is the same skin color as she ALWAYS been, but JUST like Beyoncé, she's lighter in photoshoots. The question is, why are these companies lighting up females that are already light skin?
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Originally posted by liferekindled
It's gonna be hard for dark-skinned Azealia.
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I had her in mind while writing that. But i think she'll make it big because the industry now needs a new black female rap artist.
After missy elliot, nicki minaj took over but is now seriously flopping because shes more a pop star. I dont think ppl respect her for rap anymore
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I had her in mind while writing that. But i think she'll make it big because the industry now needs a new black female rap artist.
After missy elliot, nicki minaj took over but is now seriously flopping because shes more a pop star. I dont think ppl respect her for rap anymore
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Nicki is far from flopping. She's snatching up all the endorsement deals that none of the female rappers before her could ever dream of. Lets not and stay on topic sistren. All the Rap legends consistently praise ha.
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Originally posted by Clump
Females always get compared to each other though. I mean since the beginning of music in 1942 when Madonna released her first album. Madonna & Cyndi etc.
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I agree but the comparing test is much more stringent on female black
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Member Since: 12/29/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
THIS
A black girl can be amazing at r&b, but "whatever, thats just expected"
A white girl can come out and rehash any old pop music (ahem, Kesha lol) and still sell well
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Exactly why I think it's laughable that Beyonce or Erykah Badu will get criticism on ATRL for not having a #1 album in Finland or some ****.
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Originally posted by Willy.
Nicki is far from flopping. She's snatching up all the endorsement deals that none of the female rappers before her could ever dream of. Lets not and stay on topic sistren.
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PLEASE, she's flopping in the rap industry and is doing amazingly in pop. Roman reloaded was more pop songs (which were good) and she just slapped on some horrible rap songs featuring amazing rap artists to say it's a rap album too smh
Receipt: getting kicked out of hot 97 jam this past summer
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Originally posted by Mhs90
THIS
A black girl can be amazing at r&b, but "whatever, thats just expected"
A white girl can come out and rehash any old pop music (ahem, Kesha lol) and still sell well
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MMhmm. We see it all the time in the UK. See Cheryl cole/Jessie J v Alexandra Burke. The latter has the most talent, yet the other 2 have more hype, even though they all have music on the same level tbh. And surprise surprise, the latter is black. It's funny. The latter went from pop/r&b (it suited her tbh and was universal in how it was done) to straight dance pop and it was rejected and not even played. Yet Rita came in (more or less took her place). Also the image focus is funny too. All 3 are beautiful, yet Cheryl is seen as the epitome of beauty (she's just stereotypically pretty). Yet...guess what...the black one is never given credit for her looks - well she's generally insulted (and she's far more european looking than any other black act i've seen (UK west indian wise).
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Originally posted by Lil Misty
I think you're confusing race with their music tbvh. Plus, appearance, some people just like the look of an all american girl (...idk, katy perry for instance?) then a "gangsta" type figure like Rihanna.
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Firstly I think the term "all American" is kind of racist because people only use that term to describe someone if they look white, when there are so many Americans who are not white. I think this easier acceptance of one pop girl because of her race/ appearance is a problem and shows that racism is still prevalent, even if it may be more sub-conscious and a person is unaware of it.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
PLEASE, she's flopping in the rap industry and is doing amazingly in pop. Roman reloaded was more pop songs (which were good) and she just slapped on some horrible rap songs featuring amazing rap artists to say it's a rap album too smh
Receipt: getting kicked out of hot 97 jam this past summer
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You know what's funny? She was just at the Hot 97 studios TWO days ago. They personally begged her forgiveness after Busta and all of them pressured them.
And you realize that she herself PULLED out of Summer Jam? I was there, live in the audience, so let's not. Again, stay on topic.
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Okay let's be real.....Kelly Rowland can dance just as well as Beyonce....and hell she can sing like her life depended on it....
The elephant in the room is that no matter how many hit songs she may or may not put out.....
Pop Radio and the market she is trying to reach is not here for her she's too dark and that is a fact...
The said thing is Blacks won't support her because she's too dance/techno pop white's won't look at her period...
That is why she's doing these extremely sexually songs for press and promo and it still is not the working...at all....
Other examples Ester Dean, Dawn from Danity Kane.......Hell Even Ciara.....
I hate playing the race card...but mostly cacasians try to down play by giving examples of light skin/European like features(artist) that they can sorta be comfortable using them.....
But it's not racist cause those artist are still black right....
I mean I could be wrong but my observation is if your not a marketable ethnic singer stick to writing and cash those checks.....Cause ch.....I refuse to debut with >1000k
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Mhs90
I agree but the comparing test is much more stringent on female black
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It is. In fact it really only applies to them, they can't have their own niche.
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Originally posted by Willy.
Nicki is the same skin color as she ALWAYS been, but JUST like Beyoncé, she's lighter in photoshoots. The question is, why are these companies lighting up females that are already light skin?
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This.
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Originally posted by shanners
Okay let's be real.....Kelly Rowland can dance just as well as Beyonce....and hell she can sing like her life depended on it....
The elephant in the room is that no matter how many hit songs she may or may not put out.....
Pop Radio and the market she is trying to reach is not here for her she's too dark and that is a fact...
The said thing is Blacks won't support her because she's too dance/techno pop white's won't look at her period...
That is why she's doing these extremely sexually songs for press and promo and it still is not the working...at all....
Other examples Ester Dean, Dawn from Danity Kane.......Hell Even Ciara.....
I hate playing the race card...but mostly cacasians try to down play by giving examples of light skin/European like features(artist) that they can sorta be comfortable using them.....
But it's not racist cause those artist are still black right....
I mean I could be wrong but my observation is if your not a marketable ethnic singer stick to writing and cash those checks.....Cause ch.....I refuse to debut with >1000k
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Of course sis!!! preach!! In the UK we get 'i'm not racist, i love emeli sande, leona lewis and rebecca ferguson'...MESS. DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT WE LOOOOOK LIKE? COZ THATS NOT BLACK SIS.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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I don't know why they do the lightening. I mean bey is light enough already, as is Nicki and Rih, I mean Rih's looked near white in public before.
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Member Since: 9/9/2011
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Originally posted by Sláy
Of course sis!!! preach!! In the UK we get 'i'm not racist, i love emeli sande, leona lewis and rebecca ferguson'...MESS. DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT WE LOOOOOK LIKE? COZ THATS NOT BLACK SIS.
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Even Leona had to straighten her hair.
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Originally posted by Willy.
You know what's funny? She was just at the Hot 97 studios TWO days ago. And you realize that she herself PULLED out of Summer Jam? I was there, live in the audience, so let's not. Again, stay on topic.
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LOL lil wayne pulled her out after all the backlash from other semi-rap artists
I am on topic. Im stating a fact that nicki minaj is the current "black female rap artist" star in the public eye (her pop integration made it easier for the public to digest her music). If the next female black rap artist debuts new music (azaelia banks who is musically VERY DIFFERENT) she's going to be compared to nicki simply because shes a black female
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Originally posted by Mhs90
LOL lil wayne pulled her out after all the backlash from other semi-rap artists
I am on topic. Im stating a fact that nicki minaj is the current "black female rap artist" star in the public eye (her pop integration made it easier for the public to digest her music). If the next female black rap artist debuts new music (azaelia banks who is musically VERY DIFFERENT) she's going to be compared to nicki simply because shes a black female
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HEY! Nicki was still the HEADLINER and still got paid. Again, don't come for SJ because I witnessed the entire ordeal.
It's like that with Rihanna and Bey as well. If a new Black female Pop star came in, they would get compared to both girls.
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