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News: Netherlands to ban Burqa & other face covering clothes
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
Yes, because European countries are going to spend even more money on these things that shouldn't concern them
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spending time focused on restricting what a couple hundred women wear is better?
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
spending time focused on restricting what a couple hundred women wear is better?
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Yes indeed. I wouldn't want anyone to walk around wearing a balaclava or something similar. These people who move to Western countries really need to understand that some things are seen as barbarian here and that they might consider conforming if they want to spend a better life here.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
So what? It's mostly used as "slave of God" now and it applies to all Muslims.
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Nice try. We still get called abeed by arabs all the time, it essentially the n word for arabs
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries?
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Crusades was a response to what? Why were the Brits involved? Why were the French? They had nothing to do with Muslims. They lived thousands of miles away? Why did they travel all the way to the middle east to kill brown people? Because Muslims and Jews conquered Jerusalem? ...... Like... 400 years before??? Insane.
Second, you make piracy sound like it was some major Muslim problem. It's a pirate problem. Pirates did not spread religion or act out according to their religion. Europe had plenty of her own pirates, much more dangerous than the North African or Turkish ones.
Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of west Africa? Christians. Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of South Asia? Christians. Who raped, reaved and commited genocide on the Americas? Christians. Those were pirates in my book.
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Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic?
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The Moroccans did and they turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony. Islamic Spain was the most forward and progressive society in all of Europe, and probably the world at the time. There were schools, hospitals and even things like street lights. They allowed Arab scholars and Christian scholars to work together. Islamic Spain influenced science, medicine, art, engineering, architecture, etc
A lot of what the Muslims did at the time was influenced by the religion actually, it's wasn't like in during the Enlightenment when Europeans felt stifled by Christianity. The Quran actually motivated people to look for answers, so yes, the successes at the time can be attributed to Islamic culture.
The Islamic Golden age is the reason for why Europe has any science and technology to speak of. North Africans kept all the old Greek, Assyrian and Roman scholarly texts that the CHRISTIANS tried to destroy and they continued to build upon them. They introduced the numeric system from India to Europe. Please look down at your keyboard and tell me Muslims didn't contribute anything. There's a reason why so many western words are either in Greek, Roman or Arabic.
But then the Christians came down to Andalusia and killed every muslim and Jew they could get their hands on and the rest found refuge in North Africa.
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Who stole the Holy Land to begin with?
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No one "stole" the Holy Land. It's been trading hands between Arab Muslims and Jews for a long time now, but both side are from the same stock.
I guess technically now we can say the Europeans stole the Holy Land because Askenazi Jews are white Europeans.
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Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars?
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That's how empires are formed. Look at America.
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The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine".Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again.
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But Jews aren't being massacred anymore, Palestinians are.
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They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
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Which is reasonable.
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At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered.
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Pray tell me, what did the Christians bring West Africa? Nothing but death and slavery.
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Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement.
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I don't remember that happening anywhere. Pretty sure all the technology had to be bought in the 20th century by the very countries they stole from.
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Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc..._Islamic_world
The reason why it's called Islamic Science btw is because these Muslim scientists were all influenced by the Quran to 1)Ask questions 2)Improve the lives of their fellow man.
See while the rest of Europe was swallowed in the Dark ages, North Africans/West Africans/Arabs and the Jews and Christians living among them, were all enjoying relatively prosperous times thanks to the advent of Islamic philosophy at the time.
Of course, compared to today, it's nothing, but back then, Islamic society was very progressive.
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Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
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That's Saudi Arabia. America's ally
Anyway, we're not "stuck", anymore than Europe is. We're poor. We've have to deal with decades of colonialism, western instigated revolutions and war.
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Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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"They" are billions of people across all continents, living in all kinds of different cultures.
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Originally posted by FBF
So arab people magically stopped associating black with slaves even after their history of enslaving them ? Gosh, they really are so ahead of the Western world, hopefully we catch up !
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Humans are so **** in the gulf that they still have slave labor and it's mostly Sri Lankans, Pinoys and Indians. It's not a black thing there. It's a class thing.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Crusades was a response to what? Why were the Brits involved? Why were the French? They had nothing to do with Muslims. They lived thousands of miles away? Why did they travel all the way to the middle east to kill brown people? Because Muslims and Jews conquered Jerusalem? ...... Like... 400 years before??? Insane.
Second, you make piracy sound like it was some major Muslim problem. It's a pirate problem. Pirates did not spread religion or act out according to their religion. Europe had plenty of her own pirates, much more dangerous than the North African or Turkish ones.
Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of west Africa? Christians. Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of South Asia? Christians. Who raped, reaved and commited genocide on the Americas? Christians. Those were pirates in my book.
The Moroccans did and they turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony. Islamic Spain was the most forward and progressive society in all of Europe, and probably the world at the time. There were schools, hospitals and even things like street lights. They allowed Arab scholars and Christian scholars to work together. Islamic Spain influenced science, medicine, art, engineering, architecture, etc
A lot of what the Muslims did at the time was influenced by the religion actually, it's wasn't like in during the Enlightenment when Europeans felt stifled by Christianity. The Quran actually motivated people to look for answers, so yes, the successes at the time can be contributed to Islamic culture.
The Islamic Golden age is the reason for why Europe has any science and technology to speak of. North Africans kept all the old Greek, Assyrian and Roman scholarly texts that the CHRISTIANS tried to destroy and they continued to build upon them. They introduced the numeric system from India to Europe. Please look down at your keyboard and tell me Muslims didn't contribute anything. There's a reason why so many western words are either in Greek, Roman or Arabic.
But then the Christians came down to Andalusia and killed every muslim and Jew they could get their hands on and the rest found refuge in North Africa.
No one "stole" the Holy Land. It's been trading hands between Arab Muslims and Jews for a long time now, but both side are from the same stock.
I guess technically now we can say the Europeans stole the Holy Land because Askenazi Jews are white Europeans.
That's how empires are formed. Look at America.
But Jews aren't being massacred anymore, Palestinians are.
Which is reasonable.
Pray tell me, what did the Christians bring West Africa? Nothing but death and slavery.
I don't remember that happening anywhere. Pretty sure all the technology had to be bought in the 20th century by the very countries they stole from.
Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc..._Islamic_world
The reason why it's called Islamic Science btw is because these Muslim scientists were all influenced by the Quran to 1)Ask questions 2)Improve the lives of their fellow man.
See while the rest of Europe was swallowed in the Dark ages, North Africans/West Africans/Arabs and the Jews and Christians living among them, were all enjoying relatively prosperous times thanks to the advent of Islamic philosophy at the time.
Of course, compared to today, it's nothing, but back then, Islamic society was very progressive.
Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
That's Saudi Arabia. America's ally
Anyway, we're not "stuck", anymore than Europe is. We're poor. We've have to deal with decades of colonialism, western instigated revolutions and war.
"They" are billions of people across all continents, living in all kinds of different cultures.
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im still dead at the way he tried to act as if western countries didn't colonise the ME and instill dictators and prop/fund these regimes lmao
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
Nice try. We still get called abeed by arabs all the time, it essentially the n word for arabs
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Not it's not nn. They have their own n word.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Humans are so **** in the gulf that they still have slave labor and it's mostly Sri Lankans, Pinoys and Indians. It's not a black thing there. It's a class thing.
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It most definitely is a black thing.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Crusades was a response to what? Why were the Brits involved? Why were the French? They had nothing to do with Muslims. They lived thousands of miles away? Why did they travel all the way to the middle east to kill brown people? Because Muslims and Jews conquered Jerusalem? ...... Like... 400 years before??? Insane.
Second, you make piracy sound like it was some major Muslim problem. It's a pirate problem. Pirates did not spread religion or act out according to their religion. Europe had plenty of her own pirates, much more dangerous than the North African or Turkish ones.
Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of west Africa? Christians. Who raped, reaved and slaughtered the coasts of South Asia? Christians. Who raped, reaved and commited genocide on the Americas? Christians. Those were pirates in my book.
The Moroccans did and they turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony. Islamic Spain was the most forward and progressive society in all of Europe, and probably the world at the time. There were schools, hospitals and even things like street lights. They allowed Arab scholars and Christian scholars to work together. Islamic Spain influenced science, medicine, art, engineering, architecture, etc
A lot of what the Muslims did at the time was influenced by the religion actually, it's wasn't like in during the Enlightenment when Europeans felt stifled by Christianity. The Quran actually motivated people to look for answers, so yes, the successes at the time can be attributed to Islamic culture.
The Islamic Golden age is the reason for why Europe has any science and technology to speak of. North Africans kept all the old Greek, Assyrian and Roman scholarly texts that the CHRISTIANS tried to destroy and they continued to build upon them. They introduced the numeric system from India to Europe. Please look down at your keyboard and tell me Muslims didn't contribute anything. There's a reason why so many western words are either in Greek, Roman or Arabic.
But then the Christians came down to Andalusia and killed every muslim and Jew they could get their hands on and the rest found refuge in North Africa.
No one "stole" the Holy Land. It's been trading hands between Arab Muslims and Jews for a long time now, but both side are from the same stock.
I guess technically now we can say the Europeans stole the Holy Land because Askenazi Jews are white Europeans.
That's how empires are formed. Look at America.
But Jews aren't being massacred anymore, Palestinians are.
Which is reasonable.
Pray tell me, what did the Christians bring West Africa? Nothing but death and slavery.
I don't remember that happening anywhere. Pretty sure all the technology had to be bought in the 20th century by the very countries they stole from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc..._Islamic_world
The reason why it's called Islamic Science btw is because these Muslim scientists were all influenced by the Quran to 1)Ask questions 2)Improve the lives of their fellow man.
See while the rest of Europe was swallowed in the Dark ages, North Africans/West Africans/Arabs and the Jews and Christians living among them, were all enjoying relatively prosperous times thanks to the advent of Islamic philosophy at the time.
Of course, compared to today, it's nothing, but back then, Islamic society was very progressive.
That's Saudi Arabia. America's ally
Anyway, we're not "stuck", anymore than Europe is. We're poor. We've have to deal with decades of colonialism, western instigated revolutions and war.
"They" are billions of people across all continents, living in all kinds of different cultures.
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Wow..
This post was pretty darn brilliant and used a lot of un biased language and facts. Interesting read too.
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
It most definitely is a black thing.
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News flash, blacks are the only black slave owners nowadays.
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Why are people talking about the past here, bringing up colonization and stuff from centuries ago? We're in 2016, and as of 2016, the Western world shouldn't accept certain things.
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im still dead at the way he tried to act as if western countries didn't colonise the ME and instill dictators and prop/fund these regimes lmao
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egwergtr
Right.
He needs to trade his history book for another tbh. Cause he ain't getting all the facts.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Humans are so **** in the gulf that they still have slave labor and it's mostly Sri Lankans, Pinoys and Indians. It's not a black thing there. It's a class thing.
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The same thing could be said about the difference in treatment between rich black people and poor black people in the Western world.
Are poor arab people (man) used as labor slave ?
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Originally posted by Ressti
egwergtr
Right.
He needs to trade his history book for another tbh. Cause he ain't getting all the facts.
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"The Moroccans did and they turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony. Islamic Spain was the most forward and progressive society in all of Europe, and probably the world at the time. There were schools, hospitals and even things like street lights. They allowed Arab scholars and Christian scholars to work together. Islamic Spain influenced science, medicine, art, engineering, architecture, etc"
Those are the same exact arguments brought up by Western countries colonizing African countries.
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
Why are people talking about the past here, bringing up colonization and stuff from centuries ago? We're in 2016, and as of 2016, the Western world shouldn't accept certain things.
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Because Patri brought it up and I answered.
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Originally posted by FBF
The same thing could be said about the difference in treatment between rich black people and poor black people in the Western world.
Are poor arab people (man) used as labor slave ?
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No, that wouldn't work. The reason those slaves are legally used there is because they're undocumented immigrants whose passports are taken away from them thus they are forced to work as slave labor. Arabs are used as sex slaves though.
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Originally posted by FBF
The same thing could be said about the difference in treatment between rich black people and poor black people in the Western world.
Are poor arab people (man) used as labor slave ?
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Actually yes. My great grandfather from my Moroccan side of the family was Arab and Berber Moroccan and was a slave to a rich mauritanian family. He was sold as a young pre teen. It truly was class based.
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Originally posted by FBF
"The Moroccans did and they turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony. Islamic Spain was the most forward and progressive society in all of Europe, and probably the world at the time. There were schools, hospitals and even things like street lights. They allowed Arab scholars and Christian scholars to work together. Islamic Spain influenced science, medicine, art, engineering, architecture, etc"
Those are the same exact arguments brought up by Western countries colonizing African countries.
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You think western countries said this about Africa?
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turned it into a relatively progressive society in which Jews, Muslim and Christians lived together in relative harmony.
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Do you even know history? Do you know how Europeans used to describe west Africa? For them it was nothing but a farm for cattle.
They only European remnants in Africa are slave forts near the coast, so that should tell you all you need to know.
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Originally posted by Ressti
You think western countries said this about Africa?
Do you even know history?
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Granada 1066, and throughout the 11th century tbh.
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Originally posted by IBeMe
Actually yes. My great grandfather from my Moroccan side of the family was Arab and Berber Moroccan and was a slave to a rich mauritanian family. He was sold as a young pre teen. It truly was class based.
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Aren't berber seen as another race though ? I'm legit asking I have no idea how they're perceived
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