When you include all demographics, which ATRL rarely does since this site is full of white gays, (gays, straight men, Black people, white people, women, etc.), Single Ladies is more known than Toxic. That goes for the video and maybe even the song. Try it all you want, but Britney is not as iconic as y'all.
If we were talking about BOMT, sure. But not the Toxic video.
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I though I was the only one for so long. The white gays stan hard for Britney on ATRL. So the poll is not accurate at all. Of course all of you would vote for her.
I though I was the only one for so long. The white gays stan hard for Britney on ATRL. So the poll is not accurate at all. Of course all of you would vote for her.
You're not the only one. Many people on this site think that if white people know something, that makes it iconic to the entire world. Challenge Britney's legacy and you get dragged, yet I've seen people on here claim to have not known Bey pre-2008.
Something I've noticed quite a bit. Single Ladies is more known and more iconic than Toxic. Period. I mean...it was JUST performed at the Super Bowl last year....
Army need to stop embarrassing themselves toxic is not THAT iconic to the GP
single ladies is one of the most, if not most iconic video of the last decade. EVERYONE knows the dance to single ladies, heck straight guys at my work always dance along to it when it comes on in the store.
Not saying toxic is not iconic, but honestly the delusion
If it's being compared to SL, then it's underrated
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For the thousandth time, Hung Up sounds nothing like Toxic If anything Hung Up was influenced by Kylie and other europop artists/songs from earlier in the decade. Toxic is unique in that nothing before or after it has sounded like it, but that just shows it didn't set trends. Stop lying to yourself sweetie
The synths, the retro pop, etc. Sis, it's not something you can decide is just different
And how are you going to argue CGYOOMH influenced something 4 years later and then say Toxic couldn't have influenced the sound of music 4 years later because the time gap was too large? Your logic is not adding up, sis
Accept it: Toxic, among CGYOOMH (and many, many others going back to Bananarama and even the disco influences if you're a music type that believes disco is truly a sub-genre of dance pop) had an influence on the sound of dance music. Why is it so hard for you to give Britney her credit where it's due?
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Of course NPR wouldn't lie but the discussion at hand is not the effects it has on music or the song itself. That is an entire different discussion to be had and if anything I don't know why. OP is stating which music video is more iconic. And that title aoutomatically goes to single ladies due to the dance craze that is still memorable, and especially it's visual cultural impact.
I think toxic is a foot note in Brintey's career and iconic in it's own right. But I wouldn't call it more iconic when we can like for say go to Wikipedia. And the discussion on both's impact visually well one is much longer than the other. Even the multiple imitations of the choreography on youtube from single ladies far outweighs the recreations of toxic.
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As far as it's contributions to dance pop is grossly over exaggerated. The predominant sound at the time during and after it's release for years was still urban in influence. While there were a couple artists who found success with some form of dance pop, it was very few in comparison and still had mainly urban influences.
Sis, I responded to someone who said that SL, the song and video, is more impactful than Toxic. I had already posted videos of Toxic influencing future music videos and so I responded with a post of Toxic influencing the sound of music.
Wasn't SL just one of many dance crazes, though? I remember supermaning the year earlier to Soulja Boy's "Crank That," the first 5x platinum single. I also remember "Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It," "Get Silly," etc. Single Ladies was definitely a popular dance craze, but it wasn't innovative because it was just another dance craze video in the time of dance craze videos.
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Were you not on planet Earth in 2008 - 2009 . If you go to any list by music publications of "best music videos" single ladies will be there too. Like i said the scenes in the VIDEO (not the song) are instantly recognizable but in toxic they're not.
Yes, and I was actually old enough in 2004 to remember what happened after Toxic Were you?
The scenes from Toxic are homaged in so many more music videos. SL had no impact on future artist's music videos and just garnered a dance craze, something that just about any song with a hook craze can do. Ever hear of "Gangnam Style?" It's the same thing: generic video, recycled concept, dance craze. How is it impactful?
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Also coming from someone that used to work for a catering company, single ladies is like the official wedding song. I would say 65% play it sometime before/after/during the bouquet toss.
That would be "Over the Rainbow"
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I didn't even know the jeweled bodysuit outfit was from Toxic until I saw that episode of Glee. Y'all swear Britney is the most iconic thing to ever happen, but she really isn't. Stay gassin' her up though.
Your fave paid homage to "Toxic" in two music videos, "Poker Face" and "Lovegame," with one of those being her signature hit. She's spoken on "Toxic" multiple times. Nobody is going to take you seriously when you're downplaying something that has heavily impacted your fave
Your fave paid homage to "Toxic" in two music videos, "Poker Face" and "Lovegame," with one of those being her signature hit. She's spoken on "Toxic" multiple times. Nobody is going to take you seriously when you're downplaying something that has heavily impacted your fave
I didn't even see the Toxic video until about 3 or 4 years ago, no lie. I didn't pay much attention to pop music before Gaga. How can I downplay something I didn't know? Prior to joining ATRL, I knew next to nothing about Britney. And that probably goes for a lot of the GP.
You're not the only one. Many people on this site think that if white people know something, that makes it iconic to the entire world. Challenge Britney's legacy and you get dragged, yet I've seen people on here claim to have not known Bey pre-2008.
Something I've noticed quite a bit. Single Ladies is more known and more iconic than Toxic. Period. I mean...it was JUST performed at the Super Bowl last year....
Can you give me some actual statistics that show "Toxic" was only listened to by "white people?"
Btw, you do know "Toxic" was bigger WW than "Single Ladies," right?
"Single Ladies" went top ten in 12 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 50%.
"Toxic" went top ten in 24 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 100%.
Also, why are you throwing around "white people" like their taste/likes/interests don't count?
Sis, I responded to someone who said that SL, the song and video, is more impactful than Toxic. I had already posted videos of Toxic influencing future music videos and so I responded with a post of Toxic influencing the sound of music.
Yes but the influence is nowhere near as strongly remembered, visually impacting in pop culture, or created the sensation that SL has done and does till this day. We can take a quick trip to wikipedia and the amount of discussion of cover versions, parodies, recreations etc... would benefit in SL favor. Not taking into account youtube either
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Wasn't SL just one of many dance crazes, though? I remember supermaning the year earlier to Soulja Boy's "Crank That," the first 5x platinum single. I also remember "Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It," "Get Silly," etc. Single Ladies was definitely a popular dance craze, but it wasn't innovative because it was just another dance craze video in the time of dance craze videos.
The fact you are comparing dances like "Lean With It" & "Get Silly" to SL though....... None of those dances created the sensation that was SL, none of those dances saw the amount of visual cultural impact that SL had and still does.
SL is considered the first true dance craze of the internet age. As far as originality not everything needs to be original to be iconic in it's own right. That choreography was reintroduced into this generation and when many do these moves they are attributing that to Beyonce. Just like MJ didn't invent the moon walk doesn't deny him the fact he made it popular like it was
I remember that time period very well. And while the crank that was popular it never saw the amount of sales, views, recreations, parodies, accolades etc.... that SL had and the props it still gets
I didn't even see the Toxic video until about 3 or 4 years ago, no lie. I didn't pay much attention to pop music before Gaga. How can I downplay something I didn't know? Prior to joining ATRL, I knew next to nothing about Britney. And that probably goes for a lot of the GP.
Can you give me some actual statistics that show "Toxic" was only listened to by "white people?"
Btw, you do know "Toxic" was bigger WW than "Single Ladies," right?
"Single Ladies" went top ten in 12 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 50%.
"Toxic" went top ten in 24 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 100%.
Also, why are you throwing around "white people" like their taste/likes/interests don't count?
Please show me where I said ONLY white people listened to Toxic....? Obviously that's not true. Those statistics are great, and everything, but I stand by what I said. Single Ladies is more known than Toxic.
I also never said white people's taste doesn't count. I said that (since most of this site is white) ATRL often ONLY counts the taste/likes/interests of white people, while disregarding other demographics. Maybe you should re-read my comments because I never said anything you're implying.
I though I was the only one for so long. The white gays stan hard for Britney on ATRL. So the poll is not accurate at all. Of course all of you would vote for her.
The blasphemy and delusion!!! and it's coming from Bey fan
Toxic had impact, recognition, success WORLDWIDE.
Something ''Single Ladies'' never even came close to having.
Toxic>>>>>
Beyonce definitely has much more global hits with CIL, IIWAB, and Halo.
Can you give me some actual statistics that show "Toxic" was only listened to by "white people?"
Btw, you do know "Toxic" was bigger WW than "Single Ladies," right?
"Single Ladies" went top ten in 12 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 50%.
"Toxic" went top ten in 24 countries though it was eligible to chart in 24 countries. That's 100%.
Also, why are you throwing around "white people" like their taste/likes/interests don't count?
No one is saying that white people's opinions don't count, but how can you say something is more influential if it's impact never was as widespread as the other. Sales don't determine everything there are many other factors that come into play for something being iconic. What Beyonce missed in chart positions she reaped with higher digital sales, more youtube views, accolades, getting accredited for a dance craze, bigger cultural impact, more recurrent airplay etc....