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Discussion: Why can't Beyonce be a sexy mom
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Originally posted by Vin
But this is what you fail to grasp, Ties: it's perspective. Beyoncé, any woman, can be as sexy as they want to be, no matter how old they are. But do not be naïve, kids. Don't expect an extremely provocatively-dressed woman going to the grocery store to not cause stares, or even a call to law enforcement. Beyoncé is performing on an arguably family-oriented telecast, at 8 PM, on CBS, of all networks. She can do whatever she wants, but don't expect her NOT to receive backlash for giving that type of performance, on that type of an awards show, at that time, on that network. Put it all into perspective first before you blindly start shouting at everyone: "MOMS CAN BE SEXY, TOO!" Of course they can, but not at Disney World, folks.
...Vin
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Yes, as men wear tank tops and short shorts to "family oriented" public locales to show off as much skin as possible. But, surely we, as a society, can collectively condone blatant gender inequalities in fear of "alienating the privileged male population" and "emasculating" them when the opposite sex is capable of the same.
But surely, that is far too rational for even the most simplistic organism to comprehend, right? I mean, Robin Thicke did play Blurred Lines at the same runtime!
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she can't because men are mad they can't have her and women are jealous that they can't be her. it's just life for a black woman in a white world.
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Originally posted by Ties
But surely, that is far too rational for even the most simplistic organism to comprehend, right? I mean, Robin Thicke did play Blurred Lines at the same runtime!
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At The VMAs... on MTV. Not only are The VMAs not on basic cable, the
VMAs also sell sex and controversy. The Grammys doesn't. Perspective, Ties.
I'm just stating things as they are, kids.
...Vin
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She's not sexy, it's so forced and doesn't work.
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This bit from an article I just read speaks on this subject, but they are criticizing Jamie Foxx:
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Beyoncé is at the top of her game after releasing a secretly-produced and masterful album last month. And yes, she is the mom of 2-year-old Blue Ivy and the wife of an entertainment mogul. Her accomplishments are intimidating, not just for other moms, but for everyone -- even, I'm guessing, Foxx. Consciously or not, he responded by cutting her down to more human size with two tried-and-true tactics. First, he talked about her as if she is her husband's property, as if her sexuality isn't something she owns and deploys for her own purposes. Then he marveled at the fact that she's a mother, as if mothers can't (or shouldn't) be sexy. And then, he objectified her body -- not just as hot, but as hot for a mom. The old MILF routine. Finally, he posited her hotness as a reason all "pregnant women" should feel bad about themselves. His clueless comments didn't just make Beyoncé squirm in her seat, her smile frozen on her face; women everywhere recoiled. Even worse, we all sucked in our stomachs, whether we're mothers or not.
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...59930103,d.cGU
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Originally posted by rihannasbe$tfrnd
She's not sexy, it's so forced and doesn't work.
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Forced like someone's bad gal act? na. bye.
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It seems obvious to me that if anyone in society should be allowed to act sexual it is the mothers. Who else represents sexuality more than a mother? We seem to forget that sex serves one purpose and that is procreation and as a mother, Beyonce has experienced the full spectrum of her sexuality. I think we should celebrate her instead of saying she is somehow a bad example. I think the bad example is saying to young girls, "as soon as you have a baby your life is over you can't dress the way you want to, you have to change who you are".
It's ridiculous and we need to rethink our perception on this because most people are just saying what they've heard people say before them without considering what it actually means.
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Originally posted by Ties
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And last time I checked the Grammys are about music of all types. Not just unprovocative ones.
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Wow so many damn ESSAYS and NOVELS in here. Who knew the beyhive were so articulate. Learning from their fave! Slay!
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Originally posted by Vin
But this is what you fail to grasp, Ties: it's perspective. Beyoncé, any woman, can be as sexy as they want to be, no matter how old they are. But do not be naïve, kids. Don't expect an extremely provocatively-dressed woman going to the grocery store to not cause stares, or even a call to law enforcement. Beyoncé is performing on an arguably family-oriented telecast, at 8 PM, on CBS, of all networks. She can do whatever she wants, but don't expect her NOT to receive backlash for giving that type of performance, on that type of an awards show, at that time, on that network. Put it all into perspective first before you blindly start shouting at everyone: "MOMS CAN BE SEXY, TOO!" Of course they can, but not at Disney World, folks.
...Vin
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But what about the Grammys says Disney World to you? It seems liked a pretty adult-centred affair. If the Grammys let it happen, it must have fit their brand. The backlash is fine. Any celebrity is subject to it, but it can still be rooted in silliness.
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Originally posted by rihannasbe$tfrnd
She's not sexy, it's so forced and doesn't work.
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Tell that to your straight guy friends then get back to me.
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Originally posted by swissman
But what about the Grammys says Disney World to you? It seems liked a pretty adult-centred affair.
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The Grammys is akin to a fine dining experience at Alinea, honestly. The fact people blame the artist conveying their creative vision rather than the parents who don't filter what their children see is nothing short of egregious.
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Originally posted by Ties
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Unlike Beyoncé, Thicke performed fully-clothed. I don't know
what comparison you're trying to draw between the two.
And The Grammys doesn't sell sex, kid. That's the way it is. That doesn't mean artists will try.
But you don't go into watching The Grammys on CBS thinking: "I'm going to watch
provocative performances with controversy." There is no argument here.
...Vin
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What is the Grammys' parental rating on TV anyway?
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Originally posted by Vin
Unlike Beyoncé, Thicke performed fully-clothed. I don't know
what comparison you're trying to draw between the two.
And The Grammys doesn't sell sex, kid. That's the way it is. That doesn't mean artists will try.
But you don't go into watching The Grammys on CBS thinking: "I'm going to watch
provocative performances with controversy." There is no argument here.
...Vin
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I'll break this down.
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Unlike Beyoncé, Thicke performed fully-clothed. I don't know
what comparison you're trying to draw between the two.
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Doesn't matter, P!nk didn't perform Glitter in the Air fully clothed either. So what?
The comparison is the risqué denotations of both songs.
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And The Grammys doesn't sell sex, kid. That's the way it is. That doesn't mean artists will try.
But you don't go into watching The Grammys on CBS thinking: "I'm going to watch
provocative performances with controversy." There is no argument here.
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I don't know whom you associate with to draw your anecdote from but everyone I talk to was expecting controversy, especially with Madonna in attendance. There is no argument here, no objective scale to measure what the demographics "expect." The entire point of the Grammys is to celebrate all forms of music, provocative or not. Learn, niece.
..Ties
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Originally posted by swissman
But what about the Grammys says Disney World to you? It seems liked a pretty adult-centred affair. If the Grammys let it happen, it must have fit their brand. The backlash is fine. Any celebrity is subject to it, but it can still be rooted in silliness.
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The Grammys on CBS is like a boring version of Disney World. It's like Sea World.
The Grammys is Sea World. It's a boring, family-oriented awards show, that
feature adult musicians. That's how it's always been. This is nothing new.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
The Grammys on CBS is like a boring version of Disney World. It's like Sea World.
The Grammys is Sea World. It's a boring, family-oriented awards show, that
feature adult musicians. That's how it's always been. This is nothing new.
...Vin
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What's the purpose of this point?
Are you drawing superfluous parallels for the sake of increasing your post count or what? What does the metaphor have to do with anything? The Grammys allowed Beyoncé to perform her rendition of Drunk In Love, they clearly deemed it appropriate for the target demographic.
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K so I looked it up and the Grammys are rated PG which is defined as
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Some material may not be suitable for children. Parents are urged to give parental guidance as the motion picture contains some material that parents might not find suitable for their pre-teenagers.
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So I think that Beyonce's performance meets these qualifications and obviously it did since it aired last night. I was honestly more shocked that the world "hell" was bleeped than that it was sexual.
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Originally posted by swissman
K so I looked it up and the Grammys are rated PG which is defined as
So I think that Beyonce's performance meets these qualifications and obviously it did since it aired last night. I was honestly more shocked that the world "hell" was bleeped than that it was sexual.
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"******" wasn't bleeped out.
The shock.
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