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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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She's definitely the most qualified
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Originally posted by Trent W
Im not saying the eras wasn't very successful, it was very successful but is not a blockbuster era at all.
A blockbuater era would be something like BOMT or 21, were they completely dominated the entire music industry. 1989 and the fame will fit better in a blockbuster era status because of their entire domination.
Back in 2002-2003 Avril debuted with 17 million copies sold, is not a blockbuster era but she completely destoyed DIL sales and impact wise.
Lbr im a fan of beyonce but im not gonna create fairytales to make her look bigger than what she really is.
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21 yes.
BOMT, aside from selling a lot in a time when album sales were peaking and launching an icon was not a blockbuster for anyone who wasn't 12. She had a #1 single at the start and the following singles either did not do very well at all.
And in regards to Avril, she sold very well, but..... did her album have any of the staying power as DIL, which spawned a definitive hit of the 2000s? And where is Avril now? The thing is, you don't need to be the top singer in any given moment to be a top singer in general or legend.
I'd rather have many successful eras but never be the one hugest era than a few and then being considered a joke.
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Not yet, but the only thing the others have over her is time.
Beyonce will be on that level in a couple of years.
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In regards to what? Sales? Nah
In terms of legacy, sure. Her musical legacy is already stronger than Whitney's.
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Originally posted by Auburn
Cyndi Lauper, Shania Twain, and Paula Abdul also have (more than one) blockbuster eras therefore they MUST be at the same level of the women in the OP too!
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They must be!
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First and foremost, stop putting these women at the same level of Madonna.
thank you
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Originally posted by swissman
21 yes.
BOMT, aside from selling a lot in a time when album sales were peaking and launching an icon was not a blockbuster for anyone who wasn't 12. She had a #1 single at the start and the following singles either did not do very well at all.
And in regards to Avril, she sold very well, but..... did her album have any of the staying power as DIL, which spawned a definitive hit of the 2000s? And where is Avril now? The thing is, you don't need to be the top singer in any given moment to be a top singer in general or legend.
I'd rather have many successful eras but never be the one hugest era than a few and then being considered a joke.
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So much truth in one post.
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Trent talking rubbish again. Having a blockbuster era is good but having a consistent career is just as good. Where is Alanis, Shania, Norah, Usher now? Gaga is not reaching those highs again, she went down as quick as she hit the top. Britney's career and brand took a hit years ago. All of them faded in one way or another and Beyoncé just keeps going.
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Originally posted by *No Angel*
Beyonce is a month away from being the most awarded act in VMA history
Beyonce is second in line as the most awarded female in Grammy history
Emmy nominations for her album
Will end up with the highest grossing female tour this decade
Highest selling (and most expensive) album of 2016 so far
Legacy is drug and scandal free
She's fine
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I was agreeing with your post until this.. disgusting
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Originally posted by Deemy
Shes above Janet tbh. As far as Madonna and Mariah not yet.
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Originally posted by swissman
21 yes.
BOMT, aside from selling a lot in a time when album sales were peaking and launching an icon was not a blockbuster for anyone who wasn't 12. She had a #1 single at the start and the following singles either did not do very well at all.
And in regards to Avril, she sold very well, but..... did her album have any of the staying power as DIL, which spawned a definitive hit of the 2000s? And where is Avril now? The thing is, you don't need to be the top singer in any given moment to be a top singer in general or legend.
I'd rather have many successful eras but never be the one hugest era than a few and then being considered a joke.
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Avril completely destroys Beyoncé with sales and impact in the 00s, she's a flop now, but she was bigger for a long time than Bey.
Britney and Adele have 2 albums selling more than 20 million, that alone puts them above Beyoncé who has barely managed to have one album selling the half of it. And she comes from the album peaking era too, so there's no excuses for her.
All im saying is there's a lot of better contenders to be compared with the women in the OP.
Beyonce selling a million in 2016, of a fanbase that is used to consume albums all of their life doesn't destroy everyone in the industry like the hive is claimimg.
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Originally posted by Auburn
Cyndi Lauper, Shania Twain, and Paula Abdul also have (more than one) blockbuster eras therefore they MUST be at the same level of the women in the OP too!
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who tf is Paula Abdul
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Originally posted by Shelter
Trent talking rubbish again. Having a blockbuster era is good but having a consistent career is just as good. Where is Alanis, Shania, Norah, Usher now? Gaga is not reaching those highs again, she went down as quick as she hit the top. Britney's career and brand took a hit years ago. All of them faded in one way or another and Beyoncé just keeps going.
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Selling 2m-8m per album like bey has been doing doesn't place her above the ones who were able to to sell 15million multiple times.
She might be big in 2016, but a lot of women have found a lot more success than her this century, numbers don't lie, fanbases and press lie.
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Originally posted by swissman
21 yes.
The thing is, you don't need to be the top singer in any given moment to be a top singer in general or legend.
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You're kinda undermining britney and avril, both those eras were incredibly huge. And Complicated is a definitive hit of the 2000s haha.
But I agree with the last part, you put it very well. You can sometimes gain legend status through longevity as well, I mean look at dolly parton and aretha franklin. Their albums never really sold in the 5-10m range but they are undeniably legends.
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Originally posted by Trent W
Avril completely destroys Beyoncé with sales and impact in the 00s, she's a flop now, but she was bigger for a long time than Bey.
Britney and Adele have 2 albums selling more than 20 million, that alone puts them above Beyoncé who has barely managed to have one album selling the half of it. And she comes from the album peaking era too, so there's no excuses for her.
All im saying is there's a lot of better contenders to be compared with the women in the OP.
Beyonce selling a million in 2016, of a fanbase that is used to consume albums all of their life doesn't destroy everyone in the industry like the hive is claimimg.
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Avril isn't destroying anyone. Bey's album sales are about to catch up to her very easily and Bey wins in everything else. Sure Avril has definite hits but Bey has always been on top with hits, singles and touring.
Britney and Adele have huge albums but what matters is longevity. Sure they trump Bey's album sales but Bey has constantly proved herself just like Rihanna.
@Bolded, Britney has a legacy, and she has sales however when these ladies were Brit's and Bey's age they were still going strong, something that Bey is doing rn. She may not have HUGE sales like Taylor or Adele because she's much more controversial but she's still doing her own thing and slaying.
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Originally posted by Burqa
who tf is Paula Abdul
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The American Idol judge
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Originally posted by Trent W
Avril completely destroys Beyoncé with sales and impact in the 00s, she's a flop now, but she was bigger for a long time than Bey.
Britney and Adele have 2 albums selling more than 20 million, that alone puts them above Beyoncé who has barely managed to have one album selling the half of it. And she comes from the album peaking era too, so there's no excuses for her.
All im saying is there's a lot of better contenders to be compared with the women in the OP.
Beyonce selling a million in 2016, of a fanbase that is used to consume albums all of their life doesn't destroy everyone in the industry like the hive is claimimg.
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The delusion.
Avril (2003-2007)
Beyoncé (2003-2016)
Beyoncé sells albums, can sell singles, can sell out a stadium tour all around the world and her music is bigger in streaming services than Britney and those who sold 20 or more than 15 million last decade.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Trent W
Avril completely destroys Beyoncé with sales and impact in the 00s, she's a flop now, but she was bigger for a long time than Bey.
Britney and Adele have 2 albums selling more than 20 million, that alone puts them above Beyoncé who has barely managed to have one album selling the half of it. And she comes from the album peaking era too, so there's no excuses for her.
All im saying is there's a lot of better contenders to be compared with the women in the OP.
Beyonce selling a million in 2016, of a fanbase that is used to consume albums all of their life doesn't destroy everyone in the industry like the hive is claimimg.
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So what you're saying is that Avril Lavigne is on par with Whitney Houston and Madonna?
She's no where near that, and it doesn't matter if her album sold 100 million, it's more than just a successful time period in your career.
Avril certainly was influential, as are all big eras, and a slew of skater-pop came from her lead, BUT that style is long gone and a bit of a joke now. Whereas Beyoncé's style, posturing, moves, etc. are still relevant, still being used to this day in the same way that Madonna and Whitney are influencing.
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