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Discussion: Myths about Racism and Privilege
Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Latch
People like you who believe things like this are the EXACT reason why such powerpoints are made.
The fact that you don't acknowledge this just proves the powerpoint right.
I've seen a lot of people come in here and argue against what's presented in the OP,
but I haven't seen one person argue against it and actually disprove it.
You're a primary example and a point of reference if anything.
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While the slides make some valid points, I believe I disproved large parts of it- or better yet simply dismantled them because they are based on flawed presumptions- when I pointed out that "racism" is not segregated and different from "discrimination", but "discrimination" is the umbrella term under which "racism" along with other specific types of discrimination can be subsumed.
I think it's strange to elevate "racism" to something it is not. It's a particular brand of discrimination so to say, and certainly doesn't transcend it. It's the same as saying homophobia isn't "discrimination" either but instead something else that ranks higher just because it's institutionalized by the church and similar religious or non-religious institutions and targeting a demographic minority.
It's not a pyramid prejudice -> discrimination -> racism. It's just plain prejudice -> discrimination.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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i think some of y'all are getting too hung up on wording
racism is typically to be defined as institutionalized discrimination but in language and other disciplines it is often utilized interchangeably with prejudice and/or discrimination
in THAT way, yes non-whites can be racist
but in the institutionalized sense, NO non-white people cannot be racist
i'd also almost argue that in the institutionalized sense that no PERSON can be racist but that societies can but that's for another day
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
They can be prejudiced, sure. But racism is institutionalized FOR THE 51ST TIME. So no.
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That's only in sociology. Racism is defined multiple ways, like many English words. We don't define "system" only by the mathematical definition. That's not how language works.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 11,808
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Originally posted by Georges
Excuse my cheek, but do you have any reciepts, statistics, research etc.?
I'm sorry but you can't be seriously expecting us to believe you without proof.
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Your cheek is excused.
As for receipts,
you're on the internet, honey.
Anything you wanna know is literally at your fingertips.
The proof itself is really all around you.
Research it yourself.
Seriously, no shade intended.
Look it up for yourself and see, and if you still don't believe it then it's because you don't want to.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 22,128
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Originally posted by Thaye
While the slides make some valid points, I believe I disproved large parts of it- or better yet simply dismantled them because they are based on flawed presumptions- when I pointed out that "racism" is not segregated and different from "discrimination", but "discrimination" is the umbrella term under which "racism" along with other specific types of discrimination can be subsumed.
I think it's strange to elevate "racism" to something it is not. It's a particular brand of discrimination so to say, and certainly doesn't transcend it. It's the same as saying homophobia isn't "discrimination" either bust instead something else that ranks higher just because it's institutionalized by the church and similar religious institutions.
It's not a pyramid prejudice -> discrimination -> racism. It's just plain prejudice -> discrimination.
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ehhh you're sorta right but it depends how you look @ it as jameson mentioned
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
i think some of y'all are getting too hung up on wording
racism is typically to be defined as institutionalized discrimination but in language and other disciplines it is often utilized interchangeably with prejudice and/or discrimination
in THAT way, yes non-whites can be racist
but in the institutionalized sense, NO non-white people cannot be racist*
i'd also almost argue that in the institutionalized sense that no PERSON can be racist but that societies can but that's for another day
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*in countries where whites are the majority and in positions of power
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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the lack of education in our society is disheartening too
that anyone thinks society today is not racist and that people of all colors have equal opportunity is depressing
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Okay fine. Racism has different meanings in the different contexts. And you're right about the American-centrism thing.
But the powerpoint is clearly of a sociological nature...? ![JonnyϟLightning](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/jonny_zpsc73391c5.png)
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
*in countries where whites are the majority and in positions of power
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which is basically everywhere ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
but yes true true
although i'm not sure about both aspects needing to be part of that, wouldn't you argue in some areas of africa that white supremacy exists even though whites are not in the majority?
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Member Since: 1/8/2012
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
They can be prejudiced, sure. But racism is institutionalized FOR THE 51ST TIME. So no.
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I literally just googled 'definition of racism' and
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rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
1.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
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You're saying black people, hispanic people, etc can't have those feelings towards white people?
They definitely can and I'm sure there are people out there who hate whites, idk why it's a cool thing to be oppressed and why the person who made this powerpoint feels that way but it's ******** and the whole "i want you to see my skin color and respect it" thing is stupid too.
Wtf of course i see your ****ing skin color, I'm just not judging you off of it, why is that so hard to comprehend?
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
Okay fine. Racism has different meanings in the different contexts. And you're right about the American-centrism thing.
But the powerpoint is clearly of a sociological nature...? ![JonnyϟLightning](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/jonny_zpsc73391c5.png)
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That's why I'm not dragging the power point, I'm dragging people who are trying to say every other definition of racism is wrong.
Oh, and white cultures are racist against other white cultures all the time for the record. Go look at European history for a bit ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
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Member Since: 4/15/2011
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Yes, I'll agree with this.
Wording is just wording. I mean we all can read and understand what its trying to say and its mostly true.
However, in going in line with this "social justice" internet thing I will say that the way people approach these campaigns is very misguided.
All these people do is shout at and demean the offending party. And that doesn't work. Slander, mockery and hatred towards working to the goal of equality will never, ever work.
The goal is an important one, but they way people go about it is usually what leads to it not working.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
which is basically everywhere ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
but yes true true
although i'm not sure about both aspects needing to be part of that, wouldn't you argue in some areas of africa that white supremacy exists even though whites are not in the majority?
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Yeah, it doesn't have to be both. As long as there's a system of power that is run so one race has it easier than the other, institutionalized racism can exist even when it's actually a minority holding the power. It's just less likely.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by ImmaSlave4u
I literally just googled 'definition of racism' and
You're saying black people, hispanic people, etc can't have those feelings towards white people?
They definitely can and I'm sure there are people out there who hate whites, idk why it's a cool thing to be oppressed and why the person who made this powerpoint feels that way but it's ******** and the whole "i want you to see my skin color and respect it" thing is stupid too.
Wtf of course i see your ****ing skin color, I'm just not judging you off of it, why is that so hard to comprehend?
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Sociologically, no. That is impossible!
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
That's why I'm not dragging the power point, I'm dragging people who are trying to say every other definition of racism is wrong.
Oh, and white cultures are racist against other white cultures all the time for the record. Go look at European history for a bit ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
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Well yeah, maybe I should've specified that I meant in a sociological meaning.
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Originally posted by Samuel
You must be living in a different world to me then because if you genuinely believe 99% of employers would hire a white man with a criminal record over a black man with a degree then you are delusional ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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We do have employers that deny people who have ethnic sounding names a job so he's not far off.
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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Institutional racism is the racism of a collective country/society
Racism by definition is the belief of a difference in superiority between races.
And sure, you'd think Tumblr would hand out powepoints in a socological nature....
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 22,128
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Originally posted by Adem!
This person sounds so damn angry.
I get some of what they're saying but I mean ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif) Not "I don't see color" being one of the most racist statements according to this person.
EDIT: Deleted the second half of this; I see there's already enough arguing going on here. Stay classy.
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Originally posted by seanoh
So according to the "PoC's" in this thread it's racist to acknowledge peoples' races, but it's also racist to look past race and see people as people.
And before y'all swarm and accuse me of being an ignorant cracker, I do qualify as a "PoC" according to this PowerPoint.
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No.
The point she was trying to make is that ignoring race like that equates to ignoring histories - good and bad - and cultures, which is disrespectful and insensitive
it also is particularly unfair when white people do it, because it disqualifies all the struggles that poc have faced in their history and renders them unimportant
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
Posts: 26,389
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Well...this powerpoint and thread made me feel completely guilty for my skin color.
I guess I just won't get it, and never will.
I just don't like how this makes me and every other white person look to be racists. I never really thought of myself as racist, but if this powerpoint says I am, and lots of people are agreeing with it, it must be true.
Sorry for my disgusting racism...
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 22,128
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Originally posted by Inverted
So yes, racism towards whites (and bigotry towards majority groups) does exist, but it's not as common or active, which I think she's trying to say and I agree with.
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because the term can be used so many ways this is why i prefer to use institutionalized racism in place of racism because racism in general more commonly affects poc (but can affect whites) but in most societies globally institutionalized racism only affects poc
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