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Discussion: What's harder? High school or College
Member Since: 10/30/2010
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Originally posted by Wonda
Lol. I can't believe some of y'all actually had trouble fitting into high school. Teenagers, as I've come to find out, are extremely easy to please. Like, damn.
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I'm wondering the same. HS was a joke - in all aspects. I literally only went to gossip, cheer, and play volleyball- and I still did great academically.
I found middle school to be awkward for everyone, but High School was great. Of course there was drama and gossip, but everyone seemed to have their own groups and whatnot. Or maybe I was just a bytch and never noticed the lessors.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
I kind of worded myself wrong and went a little extreme, i mean, i think there should be an alternative to education for those who arent as gifted, or for those who think "schooling isnt for me". And, i do think education is good in some ways, like its good for society (in some ways), but sometimes when im in college i just think "Okay. here i am, sat in a geography classroom learning about NICs. what is the point in this? what does this give me? how am i going to letter one letter on a piece of paper defy me as a person?" I dont know, in the end im just a teenager sick of school
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Yeah I do agree with you. There aren't any choices for those who aren't passionate about education, or for those who do not want to pursue a higher-education. However, I dislike the phrase "those who aren't gifted." Because in reality, that is a way of classifying people into lower standards. Only because one doesn't want extra schooling doesn't mean they're stupid, or dumb, or "less-gifted." I know so many people who are in university with a 2.0 average, barely passing. Does that mean these people are of higher standard only because they have a piece of paper that says "bachelor of blah blah?" I call ********.
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Member Since: 4/7/2009
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Originally posted by Kworb
Uh they're getting paid for it, it's not like they do it out of the goodness of their heart. To me lectures have always been pointless, I do not remember stuff that is said to me, I have to read it. And most professors don't even do anything more than reading their presentation out loud in a more convoluted way. So it was really nice when I was no longer forced to waste my time.
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I had a pointless lecture class like that too, all the notes were posted anyway but I still attend it (and go to sleep ) because anything can happen and I don't wanna mess up on the day of the exam and the professor noticed that I also wasn't around. Esp if the professor is a softy and I can do something to change the bad grade.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by Jennifer
College. But it does depend on your major/program I guess. Art students for example probably find college easier b/c their classes aren't as challenging as Science/Engineering/Med/Pharm/Dent etc courses.
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I actually have a big problem with this concept. Because it really does depend on the person. Some people are good at sciences, Maths. And some people are good with English, linguistics and so on. My problem here is why is someone with a BA in science more "valuable" than let's say me, with a BA in English. As to a subject being "challenging," that all depends on the person. I for one, suck at biology, and I mean BADLY suck at it. However, I excel at English. And for example, my cousin failed her English courses, she is a biology major. I dare her to pass half of the English work I do. I also dare myself to do half of her Biology stuff.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
Yeah I do agree with you. There aren't any choices for those who aren't passionate about education, or for those who do not want to pursue a higher-education. However, I dislike the phrase "those who aren't gifted." Because in reality, that is a way of classifying people into lower standards. Only because one doesn't want extra schooling doesn't mean they're stupid, or dumb, or "less-gifted." I know so many people who are in university with a 2.0 average, barely passing. Does that mean these people are of higher standard only because they have a piece of paper that says "bachelor of blah blah?" I call ********.
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Im not saying people who dont like school or try at school are any less. Im talking about people who find it harder in schooling, they dont concentrate as well or understand things as much as other people (like myself), so in a way "less gifted" compared to straight A students. I know what you mean but i dont mean any harm by saying some people are less gifted
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Not people saying they can manipulate their grades by being nice to their teacher
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
I actually have a big problem with this concept. Because it really does depend on the person. Some people are good at sciences, Maths. And some people are good with English, linguistics and so on. My problem here is why is someone with a BA in science more "valuable" than let's say me, with a BA in English. As to a subject being "challenging," that all depends on the person. I for one, suck at biology, and I mean BADLY suck at it. However, I excel at English. And for example, my cousin failed her English courses, she is a biology major. I dare her to pass half of the English work I do. I also dare myself to do half of her Biology stuff.
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Agree. My major is art and design related and whenever I tell someone what I do, I get rude looks and they act like I'm a lesser being or something But I like to look at it this way: We're all talented in our own ways and we all excel at different things. Some are good at math, science, English, etc. Some are good at art, music, design, computers, tech, etc. All of these things play a major role in our society and somebody has to do them. They all have value.
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Member Since: 10/16/2010
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After just one semester in college, I can definitely say that college is much harder.
High school was a breeze. Never had drama. Classes were a breeze for me.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Not people saying they can manipulate their grades by being nice to their teacher
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nnnnnn depends on your definition of "nice"...
if they're cute I don't mind being "nice" without the promise of a better grade
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
Agree. My major is art and design related and whenever I tell someone what I do, I get rude looks and they act like I'm a lesser being or something But I like to look at it this way: We're all talented in our own ways and we all excel at different things. Some are good at math, science, English, etc. Some are good at art, music, design, computers, tech, etc. All of these things play a major role in our society and somebody has to do them. They all have value.
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Ugh, I completely understand your struggle. English is one of those things that is considered a "cop-out," it pissed me off so much! Because I'm actually extremely passionate about it. I fight so hard for my prestige. That is why I wish I could live in the 17th century, when literature was one of the most valuable and prestigious things out there.
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Member Since: 4/23/2011
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
Im not saying people who dont like school or try at school are any less. Im talking about people who find it harder in schooling, they dont concentrate as well or understand things as much as other people (like myself), so in a way "less gifted" compared to straight A students. I know what you mean but i dont mean any harm by saying some people are less gifted
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Oh no I know what you're saying! I might have reworded your words in my argument, sorry; I have a habit of doing that. I am one of those people, I have to read things 2 or 3 times before I fully understand them, unlike other who read it once and are able to analyze it. I've always been a slow learner, so it's a daily struggle being the "less-gifted."
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Member Since: 6/28/2009
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Originally posted by Ammer
I can see the argument for high school being more difficulty socially, but academically college is obviously more difficult.
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Really? Because now in high school, I have to show up at 7 am everyday and get out at 2. I'm in three AP's, two other academic classes, and an elective plus EC's. I feel like in college I'll have far more time to take notes, sleep, and just live.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Also, it's so easy to cheat in high school.
My Calculus teacher stopped checking our homework because he knew we all just copied it from one person.
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Member Since: 10/30/2010
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
I actually have a big problem with this concept. Because it really does depend on the person. Some people are good at sciences, Maths. And some people are good with English, linguistics and so on. My problem here is why is someone with a BA in science more "valuable" than let's say me, with a BA in English. As to a subject being "challenging," that all depends on the person. I for one, suck at biology, and I mean BADLY suck at it. However, I excel at English. And for example, my cousin failed her English courses, she is a biology major. I dare her to pass half of the English work I do. I also dare myself to do half of her Biology stuff.
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I get what you're saying but from my personal experience (6 years of post secondary), it leans way more one way than the other. Most people in science can still do decently and/or well in a lot of art classes. And so many people from science and engineering take sociology or psychology courses to boost their GPA- and I know you know this. Everyone considers art history and so many of those art sub courses to be "GPA boosters". You will see science/eng kids in higher level soc or psych or philosophy courses. You will NOT see Art majors in Advanced Organic Chem or Molecular Genetics or any Physics. And I'm not gonna get into the 3 hour weekly labs.
There IS a huge difference in the difficulty, and everyone knows it.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 30,915
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Originally posted by Ahmed.
Oh no I know what you're saying! I might have reworded your words in my argument, sorry; I have a habit of doing that. I am one of those people, I have to read things 2 or 3 times before I fully understand them, unlike other who read it once and are able to analyze it. I've always been a slow learner, so it's a daily struggle being the "less-gifted."
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I cant tell if thats sarcastic
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Jennifer
I get what you're saying but from my personal experience (6 years of post secondary), it leans way more one way than the other. Most people in science can still do decently and/or well in a lot of art classes. And so many people from science and engineering take sociology or psychology courses to boost their GPA- and I know you know this. Everyone considers art history and so many of those art sub courses to be "GPA boosters". You will see science/eng kids in higher level soc or psych or philosophy courses. You will NOT see Art majors in Advanced Organic Chem or Molecular Genetics or any Physics. And I'm not gonna get into the 3 hour weekly labs.
There IS a huge difference in the difficulty, and everyone knows it.
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There is some truth to this, but you have to consider this: you may see science, chem, biology majors take art courses to boost their GPA, but you will rarely ever see them get a job in an art related field because that's just not what they're good at. That's why Apple hires real graphic designers and UI designers and artists for their user interfaces instead of having engineers and programmers do them.
There is a huge difference between the way an artist approaches a problem and the way a scientist approaches a problem. It's precisely why OSes like Linux, Unix, and even Android and Windows (until recently) were losing to Apple in such an increasingly design-focused tech industry. A scientist/programmer/engineer cannot see the world in the same way that an artist or designer does. And likewise, an artist cannot see or approach a problem in the same way that a scientist or engineer does. To suggest that either could do the other's job to same degree of quality and profession as the other would be ludicrous.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by Jennifer
I get what you're saying but from my personal experience (6 years of post secondary), it leans way more one way than the other. Most people in science can still do decently and/or well in a lot of art classes. And so many people from science and engineering take sociology or psychology courses to boost their GPA- and I know you know this. Everyone considers art history and so many of those art sub courses to be "GPA boosters". You will see science/eng kids in higher level soc or psych or philosophy courses. You will NOT see Art majors in Advanced Organic Chem or Molecular Genetics or any Physics. And I'm not gonna get into the 3 hour weekly labs.
There IS a huge difference in the difficulty, and everyone knows it.
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You do see loads of science major's in the introductory philosophy, sociology, and English courses. However, it also works the other way around. My university has a HUGE English program, yet it forces you to take at least 4 science based courses, 2 of which have to be intermediate. Also, ART History at my university is one of the hardest classes in my university, and EVERYBODY knows that. That class gets no more than 12 students each semester because of how hard it is.
The point is, I value sciences immensely. However, I am not here for people devaluing English. Because as impossible it would be for me to take an Advanced Organic Chemistry class, I dare a science major. student to take my English to the restoration of literature, or my Victorian Realism and Social Reform classes. After all, if we're going to compare things, we can't compare advanced Chem classes with introduction sociology courses.
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Member Since: 5/22/2010
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
I cant tell if thats sarcastic
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haha no, I was being serious.
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Member Since: 4/22/2012
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By common sense, the choice is College/University.
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