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Discussion: Most innovative pop star?
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Originally posted by Cain
Pop stems from Rock n Roll.
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oh ok ty, elvis definately counts then
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Originally posted by Ari Auris;23873815[B
]But was it Britney or her team?[/B]
She only has writing credits on (which includes everything from lyrics to vocals etc.) a single song on "Oops" I mean she's not innovative by any means Her team is a different story, if she has innovative music (which personally I don't think so) then it is a result of her team. NOT her.
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Why don't you do a little research starting with BOMT (single and album). Britney herself choose the song after it was rejected by other groups. Created the concept for the music video, etc. Also, she has more than just one writing credit. Did you even do research?
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Originally posted by DouglasBooth
Sara Bareilles is pretty innovative.. She inspired so many Popstars
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Originally posted by DouglasBooth
Katy Keene
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Originally posted by Timber
Innovative does not equal influence. Do y'all realize that?
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They don't.
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Originally posted by halcyonday
Brandy
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Everyone is copying her
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Originally posted by Cain
Madonna may have not innovated much musically but image wise she made the blueprint for modern day popstars.
And her deals and endorsements with global brands, her collaborating with the art world, I mean people may have done it before her but never on that scale.
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Madonna's image is taken from Marilyn Monroe, who in turn took her image from Jean Harlow. Both of them were just as big as Madonna.
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but the beatles are a band of a few people not a pop star? and isn't elvis the king of rock n roll aka a rock star?
i feel like y'all don't understand the op's question
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The Beatles were pop stars and infamous for creating the idol industry, which is what Britney/N*SYNC/Christina Aguilera/Eminem/etc. utilized in the late 90s/early 2000s to drive sales thank to the Internet allowing stars to more directly reach their fans.
The original pop star was Frank Sinatra in the 20s, I believe. Pop is not recent.
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britney and madonna for females. MJ, obviously. fleetwood mac. pink floyd. bruce springsteen. the beatles. carole king. prince. maybe alanis morrissette and avril because they significantly inspired future pop hits/pop stars. that's all i can think of
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Originally posted by Eternium
Lemme give y'all a hint: the answer is not MJ, Madonna or Kate Bush. If the artist wasn't releasing between the 20s-60s, they missed too much of the revolution of music to be considered most innovative.
A damn mess @ Bey getting more mentions in here than Frank Sinatra, James Brown, Elvis, Chuck Berry, etc. COMBINED
You're nearing Fighter status, sis.
Britney actually did something innovative with her Lolita schtick. Justin did absolutely nothing, same as Bey, Ke$ha, Rihanna, Christina, etc.
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Again, trendsetting/influential is not the same thing as being innovative.
The reason I said Beyoncé is because I thought we were talking about popstars of today, and right now, Beyoncé is the only one churning out experimental music.(while being the main writer of the album). She's the only star to ever focus so much on selling her album as a whole rather than doing what everyone is and promoting their singles in hopes of selling their album that way.
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Originally posted by karron0624
Why don't you do a little research starting with BOMT (single and album). Britney herself choose the song after it was rejected by other groups. Created the concept for the music video, etc. Also, she has more than just one writing credit. Did you even do research?
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Omg she chose the song? I rest my case, she wins.
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Originally posted by Eternium
This is why Tumblr should not be allowed to take on racial topics. They make up BS like this and spread it everywhere till it gets accepted as fact.
Elvis grew up in the South and borrowed from R&B, a new, black genre at the time, and mixed it with bluegrass, an old, white genre at the time. He never stole anything and made sure to cite his R&B and bluegrass influences often.
The 1940s was the creation of rock'n'roll due to black and white people moving together in cities and playing African styles on European instruments.
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Cosigned.
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Originally posted by Janie
but the beatles are a band of a few people not a pop star? and isn't elvis the king of rock n roll aka a rock star?
i feel like y'all don't understand the op's question
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Pop music isn't just one sound. Whatever music is most popular at a time is pop music
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Originally posted by Eternium
This is why Tumblr should not be allowed to take on racial topics. They make up BS like this and spread it everywhere till it gets accepted as fact.
Elvis grew up in the South and borrowed from R&B, a new, black genre at the time, and mixed it with bluegrass, an old, white genre at the time. He never stole anything and made sure to cite his R&B and bluegrass influences often.
The 1940s was the creation of rock'n'roll due to black and white people moving together in cities and playing African styles on European instruments.
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I wasn't saying that because of tumblr I've heard that my entire life (besides from my grandpa, a major Elvis stan ) from many sources. But as you can see, I phrased it as a question, meaning I wasn't making a definitive statement, so you can calm down.
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Lemme give y'all a hint: the answer is not MJ, Madonna or Kate Bush. If the artist wasn't releasing between the 20s-60s, they missed too much of the revolution of music to be considered most innovative.
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And I've always found this sort of sentiment silly. It's the same as people saying "ALL female pop stars owe sexual imagery or lyrics in music to MADONNA, she did it first!!" well of course she did, she's older than them and was one of the first major female stars to come to prominence after a generation of women grew up during the sexual revolution. You can't blame the new girls for being born later
You can compare stars relative to their respective eras of music. Otherwise you could just argue that the Beatles shouldn't even be brought up when Beethoven and Mozart or whoever existed.
Anyways, realistically I would give this to any of the major artists of the 60s, as today's artists are probably still most closely following their formulas. But considering ATRL mostly focuses on the 1980s-present, it's fair enough to focus on artists from last ~30 years in this thread.
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Originally posted by karron0624
Why don't you do a little research starting with BOMT (single and album). Britney herself choose the song after it was rejected by other groups. Created the concept for the music video, etc. Also, she has more than just one writing credit. Did you even do research?
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None of that makes her innovative tho...
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Madonna and Janet Jackson.
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None of these modern day pop girls y'all are name dropping are innovative. Like someone else said, they're all doing what's already been done.
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Originally posted by Timber
Again, trendsetting/influential is not the same thing as being innovative.
The reason I said Beyoncé is because I thought we were talking about popstars of today, and right now, Beyoncé is the only one churning out experimental music.(while being the main writer of the album). She's the only star to ever focus so much on selling her album as a whole rather than doing what everyone is and promoting their singles in hopes of selling their album that way.
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Experimental music? The only thing experimental about Beyonce's album was the rollout.
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Originally posted by Lethal
None of that makes her innovative tho...
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may I ask who else has created the teenage lolita popgirl image before her then?
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Originally posted by Timber
Again, trendsetting/influential is not the same thing as being innovative.
The reason I said Beyoncé is because I thought we were talking about popstars of today, and right now, Beyoncé is the only one churning out experimental music.(while being the main writer of the album). She's the only star to ever focus so much on selling her album as a whole rather than doing what everyone is and promoting their singles in hopes of selling their album that way.
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It's not trendsetting. She literally bridged Lolita, which is a famous work or literature, if you aren't familiar with it, to pop music.
Beyonce's music would have been experimental in 2007, sis. And everyone has been focused on selling their album since the invention of the format. Do you really think anyone wants to sell $1.29 singles as compared to $12.99 albums? Beyonce is not the first to surprise release an album and she's also not the first to pay dust to her singles. I like the girl, but innovation is not her strong point. She excels in beauty, talent, performing, etc. but innovation is just the one thing that eludes her.
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Originally posted by Lethal
None of that makes her innovative tho...
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The image she brought back, she brought back pop girls in a time of pop bands. The good girl gone bad image. etc. With just one song/video. Now bring in the rest of her career and bam. (BTW, I hope you knew I was talking about what the song/video did and not about her being part of the song/video.)
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Madonna, Gaga, Kylie
at Britney in this thread
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Originally posted by Rama
Madonna, Gaga, Kylie
at Britney in this thread
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You can not mention Gaga and dismiss Britney. Go read the last few pages first please.
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