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News: Christianity To Be Extinct By 2067
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Originally posted by that G.U.Y.
I'm not a SJW. I am not concerned about all hate in the world, but I live in America and it is awful that there are Christians who actively seek out groups and events to hold "protest" and tell others that God hates them.
And all the Christians getting defensive and reporting are just proving my point. All other non-extremist religious factions are peaceful.
Remember I am concerned for my home country, and I have never seen a muslim or jewish person do anything like this.
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People are getting defensive because they are being generalized? Shocker ![:o](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/redface_zpsfd99364e.gif)
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Rami328
People are getting defensive because they are being generalized? Shocker ![:o](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/redface_zpsfd99364e.gif)
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Bye hun. All I said was that vile people use Christianity to spread hate. I was speaking against vile people, I was not speaking against all of Christianity.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by TayGod
I believe that a true religion (it doesn't matter, which one) is one that is completely tolerant of differences. It accepts people's mistakes. There is no mention in the Bible after the new testament that being Gay was a sin. In fact, Jesus, was more tolerant than the Westboro Church is today. He would have accepted all people whether Gay, Black, White, Green, etc. But some of these extreme baptists actually believe that God throws lightning bolts to strike people dead when they make mistakes or are doing things that go against their deluded beliefs. God, in actuality respects those that are good to one another, no matter their differences, without causing fear. The problem with Westboro, ISIS, and other fanatic religions is that they try to create fear when a real God preaches tolerance, friendship, and love among all people - whether gay, twink, *** or not!. The only rules that matter in Christianity are the 10 commandments. If you don't kill, steal, etc and respect other people, then you should be fine.
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If that is what true religions preach, then I don't see why they're necessary. "Tolerance, frienship, and love among all people" is a secular concept, not a religious one. Religion is completely unneeded to teach that. So why does one need religion, then, to learn and apply those concepts?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by alexanderao
Someone cited the recent Pew study on the first or second page which is absolutely correct. Christianity, and organized religion in general, will not go away anytime soon.
Now that we've established that, how about we shift the conversation towards arguments for and against religion being good for the world?
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Religion or belief in God and love cant be bad for anyone. It gives people hope and comforts them when they need it the most.
Extremism/fanaticism is whats wrong and needs to be erased. Its not a representation of religion. Religions are mostly about learning to love others no matter the differences and self reflection, while radical extremism is the exact oposite. Radical extremists are filled with hatred and prejudices. They make use of the religion behind which they hide their personal fobias. The fanatics and leaders of radical groups or sects misinterpret religious teachings and texts which they use to brainwash others to achieve their own twisted ideas and goals, making them believe that its what God wants, that God speaks through them etc. That is what needs to be stopped, not religion per se, but I dont think it can be tbh.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by alexanderao
If that is what true religions preach, then I don't see why they're necessary. "Tolerance, frienship, and love among all people" is a secular concept, not a religious one. Religion is completely unneeded to teach that. So why does one need religion, then, to learn and apply those concepts?
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I see your point, but then, maybe that is what religion should be teaching. Yes, even the Christian religion is not as tolerant at times and they have to change. I actually do believe that religion today is man-made but the real teaching of Jesus are not about rules (as religion dictates) but about respect and love to all mankind. It is too bad that religions have actually turned his message to mean something totally different because it gives them more power, money or control.
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Dumb report. Some sects will disappears perhaps, but Christianity as a whole will just evolve and adapt to changing social mores.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by TayGod
I see your point, but then, maybe that is what religion should be teaching. Yes, even the Christian religion is not as tolerant at times and they have to change. I actually do believe that religion today is man-made but the real teaching of Jesus are not about rules (as religion dictates) but about respect and love to all mankind. It is too bad that religions have actually turned his message to mean something totally different because it gives them more power, money or control.
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I would be perfectly fine with religion if it taught those message of tolerance and love that you were describing and had no other impacts on the world. But let's be real, a very significant amount of the world's conflict stems from religion. The reason for this, as Richard Dawkins eloquently described, is:
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My point is not that religion itself is the motivation for wars, murders and terrorist attacks, but that religion is the principal label, and the most dangerous one, by which a 'they' as opposed to a 'we' can be identified at all.
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Religion teaches people very explicitly that they are righteous. That's why a lot of religious people, when trying to convince secular people to join their conglomerate on the street (and believe me, I've witnessed this in person), tell people that they should repent for their sins and follow the true, righteous word of whatever higher power they believe in. This is an issue because if you have blocs of millions of people each very vehemently believing that they're right and are the ones heading to a beautiful, perpetual afterlife, there's going to be inevitable conflict and disagreement. And this conflict is so violent yet so avoidable (because like I said, religion isn't needed to instill morals, which is the primary justification for its merit and value).
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this is for Europe. It will take much longer for it to die out in America
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So, basically, no one read the article? The words "in Britain" are missing from the end of the title, so the numbers of Christians in China or Latin America are completely irrelevant to this discussion. The article is saying Britain will be atheist by 2070 and it seems likely the USA won't be far behind, nothing about Christianity in general.
Really surprised that it'll manage to hold on that long here. Pretty sure the number of "converts" will start to pick up soon as more and more elderly Christians aren't replaced by young ones.
Wonder what will happen to the royal family when this happens, since their legitimacy is built on being chosen by God, they are the head of the Church of England and coronations are pretty religious ceremonies. Hope Prince George joins the trend!
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by alexanderao
I would be perfectly fine with religion if it taught those message of tolerance and love that you were describing and had no other impacts on the world. But let's be real, a very significant amount of the world's conflict stems from religion. The reason for this, as Richard Dawkins eloquently described, is:
Religion teaches people very explicitly that they are righteous. That's why a lot of religious people, when trying to convince secular people to join their conglomerate on the street (and believe me, I've witnessed this in person), tell people that they should repent for their sins and follow the true, righteous word of whatever higher power they believe in. This is an issue because if you have blocs of millions of people each very vehemently believing that they're right and are the ones heading to a beautiful, perpetual afterlife, there's going to be inevitable conflict and disagreement. And this conflict is so violent yet so avoidable (because like I said, religion isn't needed to instill morals, which is the primary justification for its merit and value).
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Richard Dawkins is wrong about religion being the biggest cause of wars. This claim has long been debunked by historians. Many scholarly materials about this subject have already been published and they all state the same facts. It has been concluded that very few wars (only 6%) over five millenia had religious causes and they are often among the least destructive. 94% of wars in the history of mankind were fought mostly for political and economic reasons.
And you're ignoring the history of the formation of moral values and principles if you think "religion is not needed to instill morals." From antiquity to the Middle Ages, moral reasoning was strongly linked to religion. The moral thought in western civilization and even in the east was rooted primarily in religion (in Abrahamic and Dharmic/Taoic religions respectively). The various virtue ethics and moral systems that exist today were developed by religious thinkers. Even secular and modern ethical systems which morphed into various directions didn't just drop out of nowhere. They all have a genealogy which still points to religion. You can discuss morality without a religious context (like the whole "morality without god" rhetoric by humanists) but you cannot erase the fact that religion and morality are closely and historically tied to each other. In fact, it is only very recently that secular humanism has developed a way of thinking that divorces morality from religion.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by downbywednesday
There's no benefit to religion anymore. When the RCC held power over governments it was useful, but now it's just a massive cover for child abuse. What's the point? "Love your neighbor" is something you can realize by yourself without an imaginary friend.
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One of the most ignorant and disrespectful posts I've seen on this board.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by MovinKindaSlow
Well if this reduces the amount of Christianity-fueled violence and hatred then good.
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I know right the other day I read they were dropping gays off 100 foot tall buildings head first, wait that wasn't Christians? Oh right it was Muslims.
But Christian are rounding up Muslims and chopping their heads off by the 100's. What did you say? Oh that's right it's Muslims chopping off the heads of Christians.
There has to be some mass Christianity-fueled violence and hatred somewhere. Oh I get it, they should not have the right to their own beliefs on marriage. Those evil bastards.
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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Originally posted by Doc
Lol ok. ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
And we'll all be one mixed race by 2025 too. ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
By 2050, we'll no longer have pinky toes. ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
And by 3000, we'll undoubtably have several intergalactic colonies. ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
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Don't forget that gingers will be extinct too. lol
I wouldn't be too mad at Christianity becoming less prominent.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
One of the most ignorant and disrespectful posts I've seen on this board.
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There's posts supporting white supremacy, homophobia, violence against women, and THIS is the post you have a problem with? Go read your "Good" book, you'll find way more offensive **** in there, like that gays are inherently inferior and will not enter Heaven.
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Originally posted by Chucko
I know right the other day I read they were dropping gays off 100 foot tall buildings head first, wait that wasn't Christians? Oh right it was Muslims.
But Christian are rounding up Muslims and chopping their heads off by the 100's. What did you say? Oh that's right it's Muslims chopping off the heads of Christians.
There has to be some mass Christianity-fueled violence and hatred somewhere. Oh I get it, they should not have the right to their own beliefs on marriage. Those evil bastards.
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You can be killed for being gay in several African countries where Christianity is the official religion.
Because it's not like violence against Muslims occurs in majority Christian countries like the US and France.
Christianity has caused or contributed wars, child physical and sexual abuse, the abuse of women, slavery, and bigotry.
Religion is what needs to end and your post just proved why they all need to go, but cute try with trying to blame it all on Muslims like Christians are some saints.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
One of the most ignorant and disrespectful posts I've seen on this board.
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![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) you never actually explain yourself. You just say "the ignorance" or "So disrespectful" ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif)
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I wonder if the gays will disappear too
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Originally posted by downbywednesday
There's posts supporting white supremacy, homophobia, violence against women, and THIS is the post you have a problem with? Go read your "Good" book, you'll find way more offensive **** in there, like that gays are inherently inferior and will not enter Heaven.
You can be killed for being gay in several African countries where Christianity is the official religion.
Because it's not like violence against Muslims occurs in majority Christian countries like the US and France.
Christianity has caused or contributed wars, child physical and sexual abuse, the abuse of women, slavery, and bigotry.
Religion is what needs to end and your post just proved why they all need to go, but cute try with trying to blame it all on Muslims like Christians are some saints.
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#NotAllChristians ![emofish](images/smilies/images/smilies/emofish.gif)
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the bible is pretty clear on its stance on women, homosexuality and other subjects. and the New Testament says Jesus came to enforce those rules. to ignore what it says in favor for the more compassionate texts is just being naive, you're just turning a blind eye to its hate speech.
people should get more in touch with their spiritual side instead of using religion as a compass.
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