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Poll: Are ATRL Members Too Racially Sensitive?
View Poll Results: Are ATRL members too racially sensitive?
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Yes, members tend to be overly sensitive when it comes to race.
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No, members are not overly sensitive when it comes to race.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Umm, no. Not with all the double standards in this place. People, especially blacks should have good reason to keep their back up. Eg. Fantasia's gay marriage thread, how people are allowed to attack Chris Brown or any other black male artist, pyp). The list is endless.
And if you look at any thread about racism. You'd see that your average white ATRLer is racist/ignorant.
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Member Since: 9/5/2012
Posts: 802
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Originally posted by Javan
Umm, no. Not with all the double standards in this place. People, especially blacks should have good reason to keep their back up. Eg. Fantasia's gay marriage thread, how people are allowed to attack Chris Brown or any other black male artist, pyp). The list is endless.
And if you look at any thread about racism. You'd see that your average white ATRLer is racist/ignorant.
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People attack every artist.
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
Posts: 11,596
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Originally posted by Rossi
Thank you!!
Why do they keep acting like white people were racially targeted?!
Whether slavery still exists or not, black people STILL suffer the consequences for that. Not white people. I've never even heard someone use "horse" as a racial insult to a white person. A horse though??
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I've never heard that either. But to answer the OP, no.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
Posts: 33,611
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Originally posted by Javan
Umm, no. Not with all the double standards in this place. People, especially blacks should have good reason to keep their back up. Eg. Fantasia's gay marriage thread, how people are allowed to attack Chris Brown or any other black male artist, pyp). The list is endless.
And if you look at any thread about racism. You'd see that your average white ATRLer is racist/ignorant.
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Don't use Chris as an example
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by jerkranch
People attack every artist.
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Except they don't get warned when it comes down to a certain type of person
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Originally posted by madonnas
Don't use Chris as an example
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But even when it's not relevant to his past it happens. And if I was to use Kim Kardashians or Eminems past to insult them, or to guise the insult as fact. I would still be warned. That Fantasia thread was TEW much. And what's worst is, she didn't even say she was against gay marriage.
If Melissa's thread ever got that bad, they would have closed it within the 1st page. Or at least warned some people.
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Member Since: 3/26/2012
Posts: 2,909
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did Peach really get banned for that? Jesus ****ing Christ.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
Posts: 29,579
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Originally posted by Javan
And if you look at any thread about racism. You'd see that your average white ATRLer is racist/ignorant.
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yup
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Member Since: 5/24/2012
Posts: 6,501
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I really do think some ATRL members are.. Being overly sensitive is one of the reasons racism still exists tbh
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by ZachM
did Peach really get banned for that? Jesus ****ing Christ.
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Permabanned? Wow. Jonny better watch his wig.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
Posts: 5,842
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Originally posted by Guernica
Yes, whenever a negative comment is said about somebody who is black, people automatically assume it's racially driven when a lot of the time it isn't. Not when it comes to asians though, people put down asians all the time on here and don't think twice but lord help us if somebody puts down blacks it's turning into a 50 page mess. You can't pick and choose when you're going to be offended about racism like that
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. That if there isn't an isn't an equal amount of outrage over racism towards other ethnicities, black people should just shut up and deal? Because that's some ****ing stupid logic right there.
And to answer the OP, if ATRLers were too racially sensitive then people on here wouldn't feel free to say the profoundly ignorant things they say. I've seen enough racist comments on here to conclude that at least a significant portion of this forum are woefully closed-minded.
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
Posts: 9,704
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. That if there isn't an isn't an equal amount of outrage over racism towards other ethnicities, black people should just shut up and deal? Because that's some ****ing stupid logic right there.
And to answer the OP, if ATRLers were too racially sensitive then people on here wouldn't feel free to say the profoundly ignorant things they say. I've seen enough racist comments on here to conclude that at least a significant portion of this forum are woefully closed-minded.
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/endthread
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
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Originally posted by Javan
Except they don't get warned when it comes down to a certain type of person
But even when it's not relevant to his past it happens. And if I was to use Kim Kardashians or Eminems past to insult them, or to guise the insult as fact. I would still be warned
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Thats what I'm getting at tbh
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
Posts: 23,013
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Originally posted by SAFEYEAA
I really do think some ATRL members are.. Being overly sensitive is one of the reasons racism still exists tbh
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
...if ATRLers were too racially sensitive then people on here wouldn't feel free to say the profoundly ignorant things they say. I've seen enough racist comments on here to conclude that at least a significant portion of this forum are woefully closed-minded.
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Originally posted by Rossi
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Originally posted by Fireman25
The thing that bothers about people who throw racism out there is that if you are going to call somebody a racist, you better make sure they are saying some racial stuff, you better damn well make sure that they are racist. Otherwise, all you doing is making it a joke for somebody who REALLY does stuff for racism, when somebody is REALLY discriminated against. Perfect example, Nicki Minaj and Steven Tyler.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Yes absolutely, sometimes it feels like the people who get super offended are racist themselves because they assume people are making certain comments based on race when not everyone shares the same cultural background and they don't even know the race of posters here. I feel like it's mostly the American posters that get offended easily, but I do understand why.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
This forum has so much racist undertones.
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Originally posted by YourMadGesty
I don't feed into internet ignorance regardless because 9 times out of 10 people on here won't dare to say most of the ignorant **** they post in the real world.
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That being said, why are members giving into these comments tinged with racism on ATRL, whether it be intentional or unintentional? All it does is gives those members and those comments power, way more power than they need to have on a music forum. Think of it this way: As it's been mentioned, joking about or racist remarks about Asians is usually "swept under the rug" on ATRL, but also note that joking about or racist remarks about Asians is a rarer occurrence on ATRL as well. The main reason why? Because, for the most part, there's not a big outcry over those type of jokes or comments by the Asian community on ATRL. So, either, 1. The have a sense of humour, or 2. They really don't care, because it's the internet, afterall. Because they don't make an EVENT over every.single.comment that may have the tiniest possibility of being "racist," the comments toward Asians are more rarely seen, because they hold no power and have no major effect. And let's not try to argue that "Well, the Asian community doesn't cry out as often because the Asian community on ATRL is not as big as the Black community on ATRL" because that ship will not sail, seeing as the K-Pop Thread is the third biggest base on ATRL (bigger than both Rihanna and Beyoncé's bases combined). Additionally, the J-Pop Thread is the tenth biggest base on ATRL.
...Vin
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
Posts: 19,016
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Of course. It's just like in real life. It's gonna carry on to an online forum.
I was volunteering at a Jazz Festival once, and the volunteer coordinator had her daughter, who was probably 11 or 12. She was still very naive. There was a black woman also volunteering, and we were waiting together in the lounge. The black woman had her grandson, who was a young toddler. He was running around everywhere, making a ton of noises. So everything was fine until the daughter commented "He's just like a little monkey."
I don't know why, but it made the black woman very upset. She insulted the woman and her daughter (who were white) and ignored them for the rest of the time she was there.
It made the situation very uncomfortable, and the girl's mother tried to apologize and explain, but the grandma put up an attitude and wouldn't let her.
I mean, it was obvious it wasn't meant to be a racial insult. I could see how the comment may have been insensitive and the woman probably had dealt with racism (she was in her late 60s or early 70s) but still.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by Vin
Think of it this way: As it's been mentioned, joking about or racist remarks about Asians is usually "swept under the rug" on ATRL, but also note that joking about or racist remarks about Asians is a rarer occurrence on ATRL as well. The main reason why? Because, for the most part, there's not a big outcry over those type of jokes or comments by the Asian community on ATRL. So, either, 1. The have a sense of humour, or 2. They really don't care, because it's the internet, afterall. Because they don't make an EVENT over every.single.comment that may have the tiniest possibility of being "racist," the comments toward Asians are more rarely seen, because they hold no power and have no major effect.
...Vin
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Uh no. It's a rarer occurrence because we are not conditioned to believe at such a young that Asians are inferior. It is a rarer occurrence because there are 0 asian pop girls in America to drag. Unless you are in a K-Pop thread. If you are in a K-Pop thread, your most likely to be Asian, or worship the ground that Asian artists walk on to the extent that you would listen to their music with no actually understanding of it. Not here for all the lies and non-logic in this chunky ass paragraph.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
Posts: 23,013
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Of course. It's just like in real life. It's gonna carry on to an online forum.
I was volunteering at a Jazz Festival once, and the volunteer coordinator had her daughter, who was probably 11 or 12. She was still very naive. There was a black woman also volunteering, and we were waiting together in the lounge. The black woman had her grandson, who was a young toddler. He was running around everywhere, making a ton of noises. So everything was fine until the daughter commented "He's just like a little monkey."
I don't know why, but it made the black woman very upset. She insulted the woman and her daughter (who were white) and ignored them for the rest of the time she was there.
It made the situation very uncomfortable, and the girl's mother tried to apologize and explain, but the grandma put up an attitude and wouldn't let her.
I mean, it was obvious it wasn't meant to be a racial insult. I could see how the comment may have been insensitive and the woman probably had dealt with racism (she was in her late 60s or early 70s) but still.
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Elderly black people dealt with racism for the majority of their life. It's hard for them to snap out of that frame of mind, even during our generation. Conversely, a large percentage of elderly white people tend to be racist, for the same reasons -- they lived the majority of their life when racism was tolerated and accepted, and it's hard for them to snap out of that frame of mind. So, personally, I usually excuse or ignore the behaviour of elderly citizens on the topic of race.
...Vin
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by Vin
Elderly black people dealt with racism for the majority of their life. It's hard for them to snap out of that frame of mind, even during our generation. Conversely, a large percentage of elderly white people tend to be racist, for the same reasons -- they lived the majority of their life when racism was tolerated and accepted, and it's hard for them to snap out of that frame of mind. So, personally, I usually excuse or ignore the behaviour of elderly citizens on the topic of race.
...Vin
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Snap out of what? You don't call a black person a monkey. No matter the context/intent. That's common sense. The woman deserved all the verbal abuse she got from that.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
Posts: 19,016
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Originally posted by Javan
Snap out of what? You don't call a black person a monkey. No matter the context/intent. That's common sense. The woman deserved all the verbal abuse she got from that.
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Except the girl who called the toddler a monkey was around 11.
I don't blame the mother for not telling her not to call black people "monkeys" simply because the problem was from a long time ago. Many young people don't know all these little nuances.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
Posts: 6,046
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Originally posted by Vin
That being said, why are members giving into these comments tinged with racism on ATRL, whether it be intentional or unintentional? All it does is gives those members and those comments power, way more power than they need to have on a music forum. Think of it this way: As it's been mentioned, joking about or racist remarks about Asians is usually "swept under the rug" on ATRL, but also note that joking about or racist remarks about Asians is a rarer occurrence on ATRL as well. The main reason why? Because, for the most part, there's not a big outcry over those type of jokes or comments by the Asian community on ATRL. So, either, 1. The have a sense of humour, or 2. They really don't care, because it's the internet, afterall. Because they don't make an EVENT over every.single.comment that may have the tiniest possibility of being "racist," the comments toward Asians are more rarely seen, because they hold no power and have no major effect. And let's not try to argue that "Well, the Asian community doesn't cry out as often because the Asian community on ATRL is not as big as the Black community on ATRL" because that ship will not sail, seeing as the K-Pop Thread is the third biggest base on ATRL (bigger than both Rihanna and Beyoncé's bases combined). Additionally, the J-Pop Thread is the tenth biggest base on ATRL.
...Vin
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Asians in general make up a small speck of the overall population in the United States, and while I don't have the pseudo census stats for this particular board's Asian to non-Asian ratio, I can guarantee you that they are largely in the minority. Because the Asian population in so diminutive in comparison to other racial groups, then that means their presence is not as prodigious as the majority minorities in America (i.e. Hispanics, Blacks). A lack of presence also means a lack of racial commentary from any other party because they aren't exposed to that particular subgroup of people on a daily basis. And being that I am Asian myself, I can testify that when the area has a large chunk of Asians then they are not spared from the same racially insensitive terms that burgeons other minorities throughout the United States. I am also not fond of the way Asians are perpetuated as illiterate immigrants that could barely construct a coherent thought in the media.
Also, no. This is anecdote, but most of the people who listen to K-Pop are not Asian themselves, you do not necessarily have to be to listen to that genre of music. That's like saying you are Japanese if you watch Anime, and that is largely untrue.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
Posts: 23,013
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Originally posted by Javan
Uh no. It's a rarer occurrence because we are not conditioned to believe at such a young that Asians are inferior. Not here for all the lies and non-logic in this chunky paragraph.
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You're talking about non-logic, when your first sentence hold no logic whatsoever. Where is the connection between how someone is raised, to how often their racially joked about or attacked on ATRL? There is no relation, Javan. It's great that you were taught at a young age that Asians are superior, but how one is raised in whatever country they're from does not correlate to how much your race is joked about or negatively commented on in a random music forum. My original statement is valid. Yours is not.
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Originally posted by Javan
Snap out of what? You don't call a black person a monkey. No matter the context/intent. That's common sense. The woman deserved all the verbal abuse she got from that.
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The woman didn't deserve the verbal abuse -- her daughter was a child. By the same token, the woman shouldn't take the verbal abuse to heart. Furthermore, it's actually not common sense. Like I've mentioned earlier, using the racial slur of calling a black person a primate is incredibly outdated and is rarely used. Most people don't even know that referring to a black person as a primate is "racist" as opposed to referring to a white person as a primate -- which would just be an ordinary insult.
Example:
1. White girl to white boyfriend: Stop being an idiot, ya' big ape.
2. White girl to black boyfriend: Stop being an idiot, ya' big ape.
One can be seen as an insult, the other can be seen as racist, and both can be seen as fine, because, again, insulting someone by calling them a primate is rarely used as a racial slur today. However, I've already explained why those terms are used on this forum frequently.
...Vin
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