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Discussion: How are men oppressed?
Member Since: 1/6/2014
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Interesting fun fact:
Openly gay men are depressed less frequently than straight men. It's hypothesized that this is because straight men are forced into a "script" by our society. They MUST be the bread-winner, they MUST be strong, they MUST not be overly emotional, etc etc.
Men are not oppressed in the traditional sense, but the toxicity of our gender roles and how our society views gender most definitely harms men on an individual level.
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All of this. T
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Well it's not like the real oppressed group had any say in it. Women couldn't vote. Men put them in office.
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Um... neither could most men, originally. Back in the earliest days of this nation, if you weren't a wealthy white landowner you were SOL.
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Member Since: 5/14/2012
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Originally posted by NYotov
Men can't have eating disorders apparently ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Who said this? ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
So a lot of you seem to be arguing that it's actually misogyny when men get **** for stepping outside their gender role, because we see femininity as inherently negative.
But if that's true, then why do we shame women for stepping outside their gender role? Why is it an insult to call a woman 'butch' or 'manly'? Why do we condemn women who are aggressive or powerful, which are traditionally masculine traits? Shouldn't we be glorifying them?
The answer is simple. When men cry or show weakness, we don't scorn them because they're acting feminine. Rather, we scorn them because they're not acting masculine. Likewise, women are scorned when they don't act feminine. There are certain traits that we value in men and loathe in women, and vice versa. Simply put, both genders are penalized for stepping outside their designated gender role.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Interesting fun fact:
Openly gay men are depressed less frequently than straight men. It's hypothesized that this is because straight men are forced into a "script" by our society. They MUST be the bread-winner, they MUST be strong, they MUST not be overly emotional, etc etc.
Men are not oppressed in the traditional sense, but the toxicity of our gender roles and how our society views gender most definitely harms men on an individual level.
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WHAT??
It's been shown that homosexuals experience far greater rates of psychopathology in MANY forms (including Depression) than heterosexuals ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) The false facts, i can't
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Trying to make it an x vs. y battle misses the point. The systems of power constructed by the elites harm both women and men. Almost every sexist standard against women has an equivalent male counterpoint and vice versa.
Yes, men in power put those systems in place, but they still harm men who don't fit the narrow rules.
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Then what this is about gender norms. Yes men have to act a certain way, but like you said its a balancing act of society and when a person tips the scale it's wrong. The only way for men to truly be oppressed is if the tables have turned.
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Originally posted by Versace
You could also say that women are being given custody just because society thinks mothers are more important than fathers when it comes to parenting and that men are not enough caring to get custody even though they may provide better life for a child. Woman must be border line crazy not to get the custody.
It's a matter of perspective, you can turn every argument in here in women's favour and say they are the only ones being oppressed.
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Then that would be because if the rules men created on how to act to ensure their dominance. Nurting and emotional supprt for a child would be considered weak and "woman" like. Regardless this just shows that society in within itself is a mess of rules that don't make any sense.
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
And I don't see any women complaining about that inequality
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There have been hence the reason why women are allowed in the military now, genius. Beforehand, several women served in the military and followed their husbands around, but weren't allowed to be in combat.
The whole idea about women being in the military stems from people like you who feel like they are weaker and inferior and incapable of actually doing it hence the reason why they are just now being allowed to fight on the front lines. This is also the reason behind men being the majority in the military. Let's not act ignorant. Let's not act like men feel like women are sufficient enough to be in the military and get the job done.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
So a lot of you seem to be arguing that it's actually misogyny when men get **** for stepping outside their gender role, because we see femininity as inherently negative.
But if that's true, then why do we shame women for stepping outside their gender role? Why is it an insult to call a woman 'butch' or 'manly'? Why do we condemn women who are aggressive or powerful, which are traditionally masculine traits? Shouldn't we be glorifying them?
The answer is simple. When men cry or show weakness, we don't scorn them because they're acting feminine. Rather, we scorn them because they're not acting masculine. Likewise, women are scorned when they don't act feminine. There are certain traits that we value in men and loathe in women, and vice versa. Simply put, both genders are penalized for stepping outside their designated gender role.
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We don't.
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Girls can wear jeans
And cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots
'Cause it's OK to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading
But secretly you'd love to know what it's like
Wouldn't you
What it feels like for a girl
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Originally posted by Javan
Unrealistic Body Expectations.
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What
A mess.
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Originally posted by Newt
WHAT??
It's been shown that homosexuals experience far greater rates of psychopathology in MANY forms (including Depression) than heterosexuals ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) The false facts, i can't
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Closeted homosexuals are far more depressed than straight men.
But openly gay men do have lesser rates of depression, at least in areas where coming out and being homosexual without fear of violence/harassment is prevalent.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
men are almost never awarded parenthood of the child unless the mother is borderline suicidal in divorce proceedings.
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My brother had to work his ASS off to get full custody of his son, despite the fact that the mother was a druggie who also sold her ADHD meds for money and didn't force her other children to go to school and didn't properly feed or dress them. When her kids (3 of them, my brother is only the father of one of them) were finally taken from her, my nephew was put into a foster home instead of being given to his father.
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Men are super opressed by the same force that opresses women: pathiarchy. Men are given some privileges, but at the expense of sacrificing their self expression.
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Both men and women oppress other men and women because it is ultimately culture that oppresses a person. Oppression can come in many forms. It can come from a mother telling her son to "man-up" when he isn't being the ideal man, or it could come from men laughing at another man's tears or sign of emotion.
I don't see how it's so hard a concept for people to accept ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif) I think that somewhere in all those sociology classes and social justice papers, people lost objectivity and learned to hate the majority for everything ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
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This is so interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
What
A mess.
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Have you never seen a male underwear model?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by NYotov
Men can't have eating disorders apparently ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Also a mess
Who said this?
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Member Since: 5/31/2011
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Originally posted by psychodj
Who said this? ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
Also a mess
Who said this?
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Personal experiences. To this day, noone ever believes it when I say I've gone through one. They think I'm a drama queen, over-exaggerating, attention seeker etc etc
Ignorance is bliss, they say.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Both men and women oppress other men and women because it is ultimately culture that oppresses a person. Oppression can come in many forms. It can come from a mother telling her son to " man-up" when he isn't being the ideal man, or it could come from men laughing at another man's tears or sign of emotion.
I don't see how it's so hard a concept for people to accept ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif) I think that somewhere in all those sociology classes and social justice papers, people lost objectivity and learned to hate the majority for everything ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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I absolutely hate those two words.
I will NEVER say that to my son.
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Not true. Woman made man, Woman control man, Woman really secretly run ting in the background. Women really benefit from all this. Woman made it so that men are expected to work their ass off for the family and pull chair out for women, while woman sit in that same chair and are expected to do nothing other than look pretty and now with makeup and plastic surgery, that's hardy difficult. Is it? It's a covert matriarchy. Dig a little deeper a bit, sis.
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Agreed they are evil. Who needs them
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