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Poll: Is "Applause" only being dragged because it's Gaga?
View Poll Results: Is the stan world overreacting?
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Of course - a #6 debut would not be dragged at all if this were Katy, Rihanna, etc.
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Yes, but people are only living this up b/c monsters like to brag on Gaga (though all fans do this).
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Not at all. #6 in week one is terrible, shameful, and career-ending. Lady Gaga is a flop.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by JC_Arrow
AFTER THE BTW MESS, YES. And `The Way is actually a Good song to start with.
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Pretty much. Ariana has a huge advantage also because she's a fresh face.
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Originally posted by DripDrip
The monsters need to just admit that they over-hyped her and over-estimated her "power"
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Well Said
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
You completely missed the point of what I was saying.
Marina stans aren't the ones dragging Gaga day and night like it's their job - I'm saying only the insecure stans of talentless vocalists (because, let's be fair, they're not artists) are coming for Gaga.
Also, your opinion is totally subjective and I don't agree with it - I think Gaga is a (marginally) better songwriter
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what does being a vocalist have to do with being an artist?
and its an opinion so....yeah
It seems you are the one that doesn't understand
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Not you girls trying to come for Ariana Grande to defend GaGa
On her show, there is no mention of her song "The Way" and there was never any promo spots telling people watching to go buy the single. Unlike when GaGa tried to get her fans to buy multiple copies of her song bribing them with a lovely meet & greet.
The struggle for justification is REAL. Face the facts. This is why she is getting dragged. You girls have no one else to blame but yourselves.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
These girls and their excuse's
Ariana
Grande
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And they're actually serious too. Forbes most powerful musician, 5 years into her career with major hype for her anticipated album coming off of a record breaking world tour is no match for Ariana Grande, apparently.
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Originally posted by Sakamoto
let me clear some things up
First of all you are not a professional music critic so what you say will be taken as a PERSONAL OPINION
second of all Everyone will and is bound to be hyped about new music about his favorite artist and to judge the whole fanbase for the irrational actions of a few individuals who were too quick to judge a track they haven't heard yet is plain stupid and wrong
the one thing you're right about is that Gaga didn't live up to the expectations to a certain degree , but I'm sure you are saying this just to sound like you were going to actually enjoy this song if it was any better when in fact you know damn well that you'll be trying it no matter how the song sounded.
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I tried to keep it cute but, let's get a few things straight, Freshman.
A.) Opinions are allowed on ATRL. Applause is a terrible song. The verses sound like she's having a seizure, the lyrics are cringeworthy, the instrumental sounds like something you would find under "lady gaga type beat" on Youtube after it had been quickly made on FL Studio. Applause is honestly barely worth being a Target Edition Track, let alone the lead single. Compare Applause to Gaga's catalog and tell me it's worth being a lead single
B.) Go into the Applause thread before it leaked. Practically every post were pictures of Gaga sitting on the Prism bus, things about "I can't wait until Katy flops" or "ew that 3 second clip of Roar sounds like a flop, Gaga is going to kill her", etc. Educate yourself, sis. ALL monsters thought that Gaga would end Katy, I mean it's embarrassing after you've been hyping your new era for a year and "local, disposible Katy Perry" is outselling your comeback single 2:1. Anyways, I digress.
C.) You don't know me. Stop acting like you're hot **** when you've been here, what a week? You're just as disposable as the Monsters thought Katy was. Gaga has almost 1000 plays on my last.fm. I was a little monster until I encountered dumb****s like you who RUINED Gaga for me.
Please take a seat in the back of the room, and happy browsing
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Originally posted by Jae
That shouldn't affect someone as HUGE and POWERFUL as Gaga tho
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You're right, it shouldn't.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
These girls and their excuse's
Ariana
Grande
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Ariana also had a better sales start than some other pop girls (you should know!), but none of them have been dragged for it.
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Originally posted by DuaneT
It is being dragged by some of the monsters because they hyped it up to much and they thought it would have done better then it has. Even some monsters have decided they don't like the song just because of the chart position .
And some critics are being negative because the song is not very strong.
But I don't get why people are dragging her so much for every artist has an underperforming single and album at some point.
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Preach!!!!
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Originally posted by DripDrip
A #6 debut is great for any artist, but Lady GaGa isn't seen as any artist. By bloggers, music critics, and her fans she is seen as this untouchable Pop artist who's "weave" cannot be touched.
When the first promo picture for ARTPOP was released music sites and Little Monsters all over-hyped her return calling it a revolution for Pop music and talking about how no one was ready for her slaying. Her, as well as her fans over-hyped the song putting all these theories and rumors about Warhol, Pop culture, art, and what not. They over-predidcted her sales figures and claming it would debut at #1.
Then when Applause was released, everyone saw what it was, a mediocre Pop song that didn't blow anyone away like they thought it would. Followed by her sales numbers which are poor for someone like Lady GaGa.
The song did not meet the expectations and predictions that many people had, not just the Little Monsters, but bloggers, and herself. By those standards the song is considered under-performing and could be labeled as a "flop".
The monsters need to just admit that they over-hyped her and over-estimated her "power" which doesn't seem like it considering we get a new thread trying to justify "Applause".
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Again, "power" doesn't always translate to sales. It just doesn't. And because it's performing rather slowly doesn't mean I don't like the song as much as I do. That's ludicrous and sad for a chart to make you change your opinion on a song. I think a lot of the people who are doing that use the charts as a crutch. And the first promo picture of ARTPOP still slays and shows that she's coming for weaves CHARTS or not.
Stefani Joanne Angeline Germanotta slays, whether it be slaying the charts, the club, or slaying herself. Y'all will deal.
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"Yes, but people are only living this up b/c monsters like to brag on Gaga (though all fans do this).", I feel like that's the reason in most cases.
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Originally posted by DripDrip
The struggle for justification is REAL. Face the facts. This is why she is getting dragged. You girls have no one else to blame but yourselves.
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They really don't get it.....Hope for their sake the MTV Awards performance is great and not off putting for the GP
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Originally posted by Cherry
Ariana also had a better sales start than some other pop girls (you should know!), but none of them have been dragged for it.
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I assume because those songs still ended up being successful and #1 not front loaded and #6
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Originally posted by DripDrip
A #6 debut is great for any artist, but Lady GaGa isn't seen as any artist. By bloggers, music critics, and her fans she is seen as this untouchable Pop artist who's "weave" cannot be touched.
When the first promo picture for ARTPOP was released music sites and Little Monsters all over-hyped her return calling it a revolution for Pop music and talking about how no one was ready for her slaying. Her, as well as her fans over-hyped the song putting all these theories and rumors about Warhol, Pop culture, art, and what not. They over-predidcted her sales figures and claming it would debut at #1.
Then when Applause was released, everyone saw what it was, a mediocre Pop song that didn't blow anyone away like they thought it would. Followed by her sales numbers which are poor for someone like Lady GaGa.
The song did not meet the expectations and predictions that many people had, not just the Little Monsters, but bloggers, and herself. By those standards the song is considered under-performing and could be labeled as a "flop".
The monsters need to just admit that they over-hyped her and over-estimated her "power" which doesn't seem like it considering we get a new thread trying to justify "Applause".
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You better read these monster to filth
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Originally posted by Cherry
Ariana also had a better sales start than some other pop girls (you should know!), but none of them have been dragged for it.
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You think your being slick
She's not Queen of Forbes tho
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at the first option, if it were Katy in this situation she would be RIPPED APART by you Monsters.
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Originally posted by Fenty The Great
I assume because those songs still ended up being successful and #1 not front loaded and #6
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How do you know that #6 is its peak after just one week of charting?
And no, one of those songs did not hit #1.
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Originally posted by Cherry
How do you know that #6 is its peak after just one week of charting?
And no, one of those songs did not hit #1.
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on itunes it did, which is what he was talking about
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It's doing great, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.
It debuted with half the sales of Born This Way which had 10x more hype and it's only #40 on radio. Talking that into account, 220k is amazing! Once she's Top 20 on radio, sales should be bigger thus having more longevity than Born This Way which peaked in it's 2nd week.
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Originally posted by AMIT
at the first option, if it were Katy in this situation she would be RIPPED APART by you Monsters.
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Unfortunately, and what's worse is that because a lot of the monsters weren't expecting the draggings, they didn't know how to react. Making some look even more foolish!
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
on itunes it did, which is what he was talking about
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But "Applause" reached higher than #6 on iTunes?
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