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News: N. Carolina: Teachers told not to call students boys & girls
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
Saying boys and girls is inclusive to all children. Some children, depending on their age, don't possess the mental capacities to identify as someone other than boy or girl. There have been lots of cases of young boys wanted to be girls. How are they being excluded in "listen up boys and girls"?
I don't get it. Its not until the later years of youth do individuals really start to distinguish what they want to be. We're talking junior high and high school. And last time I checked, not a lot of teacher are referring to these students as boys and girls. It was always "class" and "students". Maybe it different in each school though.
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But you said it yourself. “Some children, depending on their age”. So there will be children who this will effect. And deeper than that, saying “boys and girls” as I said, even if there are no trans kids in the class, teaches the class that there is either one or the other. And as you’ve said, they may not yet realize how they feel about their gender, so to build a world for them where there is more than just boys and girls sets them up in a good way.
If teachers already are saying “class” then this new rule should have no problems being followed.
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Originally posted by swissman
But you said it yourself. “Some children, depending on their age”. So there will be children who this will effect. And deeper than that, saying “boys and girls” as I said, even if there are no trans kids in the class, teaches the class that there is either one or the other. And as you’ve said, they may not yet realize how they feel about their gender, so to build a world for them where there is more than just boys and girls sets them up in a good way.
If teachers already are saying “class” then this new rule should have no problems being followed.
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Originally posted by Bangerzzz
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Are you holding your head in shame for the fact that you are not able to understand the very simple concepts of gender non-conformity?
Never fear. There are tons of reading materials you can find to explore what gender actually means.
A good place to start is Gender Diversity by Serena Nanda. Its a very short read and goes through different times of gender in the many societies of the world (you know, it’s not all just western or eastern). For example, there are hundreds of Native groups who had some form of gender variation in their systems.
However what this book essentially proves is that no matter what society you’re in, and what gender possibilities are set out for you, you still have to follow certain rules to be accepted. And so anyone with a bit of intelligence can see that gender is wholly made up and enforced and that there is no one right or wrong way to be who you are. The only wrong is bigotry and not accepting someone for what they feel their gender is.
EDIT: Is your name created after Bangerz by Miley? Is she one of your faves? Do you realize that she is gender-fluid and so would agree with all this?
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I'm all for supporting everyone, this just screams extra though 
Another day, another major oversensitivity issue in the US 
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Originally posted by Tori Kelly
I'm all for supporting everyone, this just screams extra though
Another day, another major oversensitivity issue in the US |
So you’re for this, but you’re not?
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Originally posted by swissman
So you’re for this, but you’re not?
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Basically. Look at his reply to my post. Lol
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Originally posted by swissman
So you’re for this, but you’re not?
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Look, it's great that people are getting represented and equality is always the ideal goal for society, I think it's just the fact that today there is always articles about these things online that just make me laugh and roll my eyes because it's just extra.
Why am I labeling it as that though? Because to me all of this is just common sense, there never should be a need to tell people to assume genders or have a handbook to tell one how to be politically correct, it's just one of those implied hidden context things. By doing the handbook and making the articles and such, the people that didn't already respect everyone's right to their gender will only be more triggered and fight it
I support the meaning of equality for people, but the extreme lengths taken to emphasize what are ultimately words just seems a tad...extra (it's just the only word I can put on this )
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Originally posted by swissman
It’s not a big deal because it doesn’t affect YOU. Right?
Think about it. You’re transgender. You’re born a “boy” but you know you’re a “girl”. Everything in your life seems to go against this. Your parents buy you boy-clothing. Your hair is cut like the boys in your class. You are expected to be a boy. Your teacher says “boys and girls” and do you honestly think that you will feel “great! she said girls, now I feel good!” .. No because you know she’s referring to you as a boy.
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You simply cannot be serious with this argument, especially that last sentence
1) not every profesor is transphobic
2) even if they are, they didn't specifically mention that person's name and their born gender so it's only in your head if you wanna feel like they did opress you.
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Originally posted by swissman
Is this video supposed to prove something? It's 2+ hours.
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If you wanna get educated, it's suggest you to watch this 2 hour video rather than continue posting embarrassing stuff online.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
You simply cannot be serious with this argument, especially that last sentence
1) not every profesor is transphobic
2) even if they are, they didn't specifically mention that person's name and their born gender so it's only in your head if you wanna feel like they did opress you.
If you wanna get educated, it's suggest you to watch this 2 hour video rather than continue posting embarrassing stuff online.
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1) Did I say that?
1a) A teacher saying “boys and girls” isn’t necessarily transphobic, but those words can and do have meaning to the trans community in a way that they do not to cis people, so being aware of that is the goal here
2) Saying things like “you’re making yourself oppressed” is so ridiculous I don’t even know how to respond to that. No. This is the same mentality of "stop talking about racism and it'll go away".
3) This is a forum. People call 3 small paragraphs essays. A 2+ hour long video is not the way to prove a point. If you can’t sum it up, if you can’t use from it what you’re trying to argue in the situation of this discussion, then don’t be smug when someone asks you to say what that video is supposed to mean for this discussion. You seemed to be shaming gender non-conforming people in how you presented it. It’s a confusing way to state a point.
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Originally posted by ALIEN
Sex = biological
Gender = role in society
Makes sense now?
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No, it doesn't make sense hun.
So if my sex is male, and I say my gender is female then wtf am I?  the hell do you mean ''role in society''?
Lord, I can't. 
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Originally posted by ALIEN
The teacher can simply put both genders together instead of segregating them? Why would you want that anyways, boys need to learn that girls can be just as competitive as they are and girls could always use an activity outside of the feminine spectrum. Don't see where the problem lies in having a third bathroom for those who need it. You guys are so inconsiderate and selfish damn |
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Gender =/= Sex
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Originally posted by swissman
If you feel that helping someone who will already feel victimized feel more comfortable is THAT much of a burden to you, if you can’t imagine that although they are 0.5% of the population, they are almost 900% more likely to attempt suicide, if you’re that privileged and self-centred, then maybe look at it differently:
Look at it that a teacher shouldn’t have to seperately address a group of children as if boys and girls are two separate species. What is it that the teacher will address that doesn’t apply under one term? Are they speaking about washroom usage? Or are they merely asking all students to pay attention to what they’re saying?
If changing your wording is that distasteful to you, I wonder how you’d ever cope being transexual.
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Tea.
The fact that so many are being confident in their ignorance is baffling
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First, and foremost, if you are not AMERICAN, your opinion on this issue is null and void, and you can go back to being the loser on the outside looking in.  Second of all, not ATRL of all places having a problem with this, when something EXACTLY LIKE THIS, is going to help create a world where you homosexuals will be little more accepted and safer. Minorities who go against things that are actually made with their benefits in mind will never cease to amaze me. 
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Imo I think using the word "students" just sounds more professional, mature and not mediocre (better vocabulary for students to learn, understand, and grasp) compared to saying "boys and girls" to me this is not a gender issue at all, but if that is their intention, then great!
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Just reading this thread...
So I'm card-carrying Democrat with highly progressive social attitudes (I fully support the overhaul of school systems and other institutions to provide LGBTQ-related support to all children as early as possible, as these places should be safe, healthy environments) but
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Originally posted by Communion
The weird belief men & women are inherently different is toxic.
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is an almost goofily unfortunate comment. And if you're the type of person who's going to call anyone who disagrees with that quote a "bigot"...
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Some of the responses in here. Yikes.
You sound exactly like anti-gay bigots when school districts announced certain schools will teach gay history.
When the once oppressed have now become the oppressors.
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
is an almost goofily unfortunate comment.
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It's unfortunate to dispel the out-dated, religious-centric belief that "men" as a group of people are innately different from "women" as a group of people? Did you grow up hearing things like "men are from Mars and women are from Venus" & can't unlearn it or something?
If you mean that women face unique challenges due to sexism that men don't experience - of course, but these challenges are created from the belief women are inherently different. To believe men and women are inherently different is to support the system that says women are less than men.
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Why are people acting like gay people are obliged to support every social issue in the world
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WHATTT kind of libtards are running these schools? a boy cant be called a boy now?
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welp finally an envt where tumbleritis has a safe space. hooray for such awesome accomplishment. 
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Why are people acting like gay people are obliged to support every social issue in the world |
Because gays expect everyone to support their issues
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