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Celeb News: Iggy: "Why Eminem Didn’t Get The Same Grammys Backlash"
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She has some jams, but DAMN she's dumb as ****
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
Yeah, Em has gotten his appropriation lashes. There are a lot of reasons why Eminem didn't get dragged for winning that award, one of which is that he is considered the lesser evil. Iggy's critics didn't care about any of the other nominees winning that Grammy, they just didn't want her to win it.
I consider myself to be very conscious about social justice issues, but Iggy doesn't bother me because it's not like she's doing something that a black woman can't or isn't already doing because of white privilege. Iggy had a bunch of singles drop before she hit pay dirt with Fancy. She used the same proven pop/rap formula that B.O.B., Flo-rida, Pitbull, Nicki etc. used to score hits. So it's not like you have to be white to attain the success she's gotten. Being white definitely helps, but again, if her being white was all there was to it, then she should've seen mainstream success before Fancy and Problem.
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Look, it's simple. Iggy's accent was always an issue and people were calling her out on that & the slavemaster lyric ever since. She was just a nobody back then, so not too many ppl did that. Nobody expected her to become really successful (even if it only lasts for one summer), or at least very few ppl did.
She had three charting singles in the UK, but it was not enough to make her profitable since her label decided way before that they wanted to make her happen, no matter what. And her songs were not played on the radio in the States, she was not charting there and there was the money.
If I remember correctly, TNC got pushed back and the tracklist was changed, adding more popsongs on the record. It's a choice she made to go more pop, having female singers singing the hooks. So why now complaining that she is not respected from the rap crowd when it was her decision to go pop anyway?
Eminem has acknowledged his priviledge and I posted it back in December and I am still curious to know if this woman is just proud of her aggressive ignorance or simply lacking the mental capacity to understand why she is critisized. It really, really baffles me since she acts completly unaware.
And this is a discussion that goes on and on.It's not that she is white. It's not that she is a female. It's not that she is Australian. Hell, nobody would even know she is Australian when you listen to her record.
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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It amazes me how she constantly misses the point. Like, I'm sure when she was on twitter she had thousands of people every day telling her what the point was and yet she still can't grasp it. I'm convinced she's blatantly refusing it at this point, there's no other way...
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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For me, it's that Iggy isn't very talented. I mean, she's like the Australian version of Soulja Boy, and I remember the backlash he got for "destroying Hip Hop."
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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I think Iggy thinks she's proving a point and going against the grain by not acknowledging her privilege, or maybe it's an ego thing.
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
I just screamed at the top of my lungs in class. I made a demonic duck noise.
Thanks Iggz
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someone spam her manager to get more interviews for her so she keeps digging her grave.
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Member Since: 11/6/2011
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Screaming at Iggy clocking her haters. All these people sit online and hate all day. Do you not have anything better to do with your life? Lmfao joke's on you.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Tiki Miss is only an "Iggy fan" just to spite Blacks and just to insert himself into another race debate.
Where is StephenNYMonster? He's more legitimate and doesn't have an agenda.
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Why would I bother spiting blacks? I actually like Iggy, and watched enough of her interviews to know she is genuine and is an artist. If she were ACTUALLY phony, she would have adopted the blaccent in her interviews like Xtina did during Stripped (which apparently no one has a problem with since Xtina is a latina
Jesus Christ, you would think the World revolves around black people problems
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Originally posted by Javan
If we are talking about genre ownership, why are you listing instruments and languages? Where is the relevance?
I'm sorry but you can't divorce hip hop from it's sociopolitical history as an artistic battle against racism. There is something twisted about Iggy profiting from a racist industry, making hip hop music as well as being a racist herself... And then there's her "talent".
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Instruments and language are relevant to music always Without language and drums/bass/etc, what else is there to music? breathing?
There's a history to everything. Just like there's a history to religion, to corn, etc. Things move on and evolve. That's what music has always done in every single genre including hip hop.
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Member Since: 12/1/2011
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White people saying things should belong to "every race" is just their way of trying to include themselves where they're not welcome. Because there's nothing privileged white people hate more than being denied something based on their skin color, what poc deal with every single day
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Member Since: 11/9/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Tiki Miss is only an "Iggy fan" just to spite Blacks and just to insert himself into another race debate.
Where is StephenNYMonster? He's more legitimate and doesn't have an agenda.
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This. It's so transparent and laughable.
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Originally posted by jose168
White people saying things should belong to "every race" is just their way of trying to include themselves where they're not welcome. Because there's nothing privileged white people hate more than being denied something based on their skin color, what poc deal with every single day
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Originally posted by jose168
White people saying things should belong to "every race" is just their way of trying to include themselves where they're not welcome. Because there's nothing privileged white people hate more than being denied something based on their skin color, what poc deal with every single day
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Every single race is using things white people invented and/or popularized
You are typing in English on a Qwerty Keyboard invented by a white person, probably on a Mac, invented by two of the whitest people you could meet, a Windows PC, invented by a white nerd, or an iPhone/iPhone-copycat (Samsung, LG, etc) invited by the white Steve Jobs. You are probably use to driving cars or riding in them, and these are white inventions.
If the world was all "You can't use it because you aren't X race" then none of y'all would get to complain in English on a computer on websites like Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr etc since they were all invented/created/popularized by white people.
Just get over it Art is for everybody. Stop being so damn greedy about these things.
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Originally posted by Giliap
someone spam her manager to get more interviews for her so she keeps digging her grave.
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It's an inevitability at this point.
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Originally posted by jose168
White people saying things should belong to "every race" is just their way of trying to include themselves where they're not welcome. Because there's nothing privileged white people hate more than being denied something based on their skin color, what poc deal with every single day
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But some are welcome. Eminem has proved that with bigger success than just about any hip hop artist. He took it global like no other artist. Hip hop should be grateful for that. The key word is authenticity. Eminem is about that life its in his veins.
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Originally posted by jose168
White people saying things should belong to "every race" is just their way of trying to include themselves where they're not welcome. Because there's nothing privileged white people hate more than being denied something based on their skin color, what poc deal with every single day
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Or, you know, they don't want to be racist.
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Why would I bother spiting blacks? I actually like Iggy, and watched enough of her interviews to know she is genuine and is an artist. If she were ACTUALLY phony, she would have adopted the blaccent in her interviews like Xtina did during Stripped (which apparently no one has a problem with since Xtina is a latina
Jesus Christ, you would think the World revolves around black people problems
Instruments and language are relevant to music always Without language and drums/bass/etc, what else is there to music? breathing?
There's a history to everything. Just like there's a history to religion, to corn, etc. Things move on and evolve. That's what music has always done in every single genre including hip hop.
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Silence, according to Anton Bruckner, one of the most important parts of music.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Why would I bother spiting blacks? I actually like Iggy, and watched enough of her interviews to know she is genuine and is an artist. If she were ACTUALLY phony, she would have adopted the blaccent in her interviews
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She did when she came to the UK.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Jesus Christ, you would think the World revolves around black people problems
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Clearly, her career does.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Instruments and language are relevant to music always Without language and drums/bass/etc, what else is there to music? breathing?
There's a history to everything. Just like there's a history to religion, to corn, etc. Things move on and evolve. That's what music has always done in every single genre including hip hop.
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And other than invention, what is white peoples connection to the drum/bass etc? I rebuke idea that an instrument within itself is a culture, because an instrument, like a tool is used as mean to achieve a superior aim; which is where the culture begins. An instrument is not an expression or a culture.
Language argument is. Dumb ofc African Americans are to speak American english. How can that be appropriation as if they had any choice? That's actually quite offensive. Blacks had their culture and language stolen from them, they didn't pick up a way of speaking to look edgy and cache a quick buck. Goodbye.
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
It amazes me how she constantly misses the point. Like, I'm sure when she was on twitter she had thousands of people every day telling her what the point was and yet she still can't grasp it. I'm convinced she's blatantly refusing it at this point, there's no other way...
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The problem is that she dismisses all constructive criticism as 'hating' -- Her reply to what Q-Tip said to her is a prime example.
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If one intends to deal in the things of a culture that is not their own, they must show understanding of the culture and true appreciation for it. Without those, they will inevitably wind up offending someone and spreading ignorance.
There's a difference between Eminem and Iggy Azalea and Miley Cyrus.
Eminem grew up in a poor, dangerous neighborhood situation similar to those of many other Hip Hop artists. Eminem grew up with Black people in a Black community. So there's no doubt in my mind that Eminem has somewhat of an understanding of African-American culture and our historical struggle, and a true appreciation for Hip Hop. He's never given me a reason to doubt that or be suspicious about why he raps. This what he knows and this what he does. He does it because he loves it, and he does it damn well. Above all things, at least Eminem has acknowledged that his being White has benefited him far more than it has hurt him.
Miley Cyrus, the daughter of a famed Country musician, is a rich White girl from Tennessee who moved to Malibu, CA to become a Disney star. What does she know about Hip Hop and why would she care? HEY! Just because you're a White girl from a completely non-Hip Hop area with totally non-Hip Hop upbringing doesn't mean you don't know anything about Hip Hop! Of course not! It would be absurd to assume that. But if she really does have an understanding of and an appreciation for Hip Hop culture, that would show in her interpretation of what Hip Hop is. Her interpretation was wild partying, alcohol, drugs, and ass-shaking. Lots and lots of ass-shaking. Her understanding is surface at best. ([size1]And don't say all Hip Hop music is about those things, because it's not, and if you think it is, you don't know a damn thing about Hip Hop and you're in serious danger of being racist.[/size]) She surely doesn't appreciate it more than she understands it either. She flopped. She then took on a hypersexual image and performance style for more attention and sales. She flopped again. So she starts doing what she thinks is Hip Hop because she knows White people would be shocked by that. They all see Hip Hop (Black culture, Black teens, Black men) as sippin on drank and ass-shaking too, and they are damn scared of it! Simultaneously being racist and taking advantage of other people's racism.
Iggy Azalea has demonstrated her understanding of Hip Hop to be weak and misinformed as well, and on multiple occasions. I won't say she doesn't appreciate it, because I don't know that, but she's till exploiting us. She got ass shots to look like a Black woman. She raps with a fake accent to sound like a Black woman. I could go on and on. She is garnering so much praise and notoriety and experiencing so much success for her general 'Blackness' and it's all because she's not really Black and that has people surprised. Classic case of White people getting more credit for Black innovations and ideas than Black people themselves. Even if she's not doing all of that on purpose, the least she could do is be aware and not be so arrogant and bull-headed.
Eminem understands. Eminem appreciates. ✓
Miley does not understand. Miley does not appreciate. X
Iggy does not understand. Iggy's appreciation is unclear to me. Oh wait, didn't she use the Black Panthers' image as a gimmick for one of her performances? X
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
If one intends to deal in the things of a culture that is not their own, they must show understanding of the culture and true appreciation for it. Without those, they will inevitably wind up offending someone and spreading ignorance.
There's a difference between Eminem and Iggy Azalea and Miley Cyrus.
Eminem grew up in a poor, dangerous neighborhood situation similar to those of many other Hip Hop artists. Eminem grew up with Black people in a Black community. So there's no doubt in my mind that Eminem has somewhat of an understanding of African-American culture and our historical struggle, and a true appreciation for Hip Hop. He's never given me a reason to doubt that or be suspicious about why he raps. This what he knows and this what he does. He does it because he loves it, and he does it damn well. Above all things, at least Eminem has acknowledged that his being White has benefited him far more than it has hurt him.
Miley Cyrus, the daughter of a famed Country musician, is a rich White girl from Tennessee who moved to Malibu, CA to become a Disney star. What does she know about Hip Hop and why would she care? HEY! Just because you're a White girl from a completely non-Hip Hop area with totally non-Hip Hop upbringing doesn't mean you don't know anything about Hip Hop! Of course not! It would be absurd to assume that. But if she really does have an understanding of and an appreciation for Hip Hop culture, that would show in her interpretation of what Hip Hop is. Her interpretation was wild partying, alcohol, drugs, and ass-shaking. Lots and lots of ass-shaking. Her understanding is surface at best. ([size1]And don't say all Hip Hop music is about those things, because it's not, and if you think it is, you don't know a damn thing about Hip Hop and you're in serious danger of being racist.[/size]) She surely doesn't appreciate it more than she understands it either. She flopped. She then took on a hypersexual image and performance style for more attention and sales. She flopped again. So she starts doing what she thinks is Hip Hop because she knows White people would be shocked by that. They all see Hip Hop (Black culture, Black teens, Black men) as sippin on drank and ass-shaking too, and they are damn scared of it! Simultaneously being racist and taking advantage of other people's racism.
Iggy Azalea has demonstrated her understanding of Hip Hop to be weak and misinformed as well, and on multiple occasions. I won't say she doesn't appreciate it, because I don't know that, but she's till exploiting us. She got ass shots to look like a Black woman. She raps with a fake accent to sound like a Black woman. I could go on and on. She is garnering so much praise and notoriety and experiencing so much success for her general 'Blackness' and it's all because she's not really Black and that has people surprised. Classic case of White people getting more credit for Black innovations and ideas than Black people themselves. Even if she's not doing all of that on purpose, the least she could do is be aware and not be so arrogant and bull-headed.
Eminem understands. Eminem appreciates. ✓
Miley does not understand. Miley does not appreciate. X
Iggy does not understand. Iggy's appreciation is unclear to me. Oh wait, didn't she use the Black Panthers' image as a gimmick for one of her performances? X
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Facts!
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