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Discussion: Katy & cheap chart tactics: what happened years ago?!
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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This doesn't make Katy look any less desperate.
It just makes Michael and Mariah look a bit desperate
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Absolutely NO RECEIPTS / REFERENCES / PROOF / EVIDENCE to what this person wrote. Which makes it invalid, false, inaccurate! I see QUEEN MARIAH got this blooger pressed.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Everyone knows Mariah was the chart manipulator Queen, lol. She got the same backlash,
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LIE! No one knows this **** lie. This is your biased opinion.
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Originally posted by umichgrad07
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If you listened to these tracks, you would've noticed that they are completely different than the originals with the exception of the "Loverboy" Remix. Plus Mariah has been credited with popularizing HIP HOP and Pop Music collaborations in the 90s. She started this trend. So you fail
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Originally posted by YoYo
Honestly though, Mariah's history is INFINITELY worse than Katy's. Add to the list how "We Belong Together" was given for FREE on her FANSITE.
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*Reports for lying*
Excuse me, I am the Mariah stan here and NEVER have I heard or seen of such thing as Mariah selling WBT free on her site.
You tried tho....
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Member Since: 7/17/2009
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Originally posted by Ruben
Because the GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T GIVE A ****! There was no ATRL back then, or any other music board, to criticize that. Outside of this fictional world, nobody gives a **** about it!
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!!!!!!! Nobody Irl knows or even cares. A #1 is a #1 single.
People will hear the remix & think....oh cool Katy has remix TOTGA. Nobody will even link it with the fact that it's been done to make the song hit 1. They won't see it as a cheap tactic or whatever, it's just a remix of a song to them.
Most won't even know MJ holds that record, or be aware if Katy breaks it.
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
But looking at your posts, you wanted posters to leave Katy alone for doing the tactic. Why should we? She's just as desperate as they were back then. And she hasn't the respect from the public to merit looking the other way (ala MJ).
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Nah,y'all can continue. And yeah Nicole you're right,I admit I wasn't really thinking that way.
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She was hardly "the Rihanna of her day" and Mariah was and still is highly respected by critics. Mariah writes and often co-produces and composes her own ****. The same can't be said for Ms. Fenty. Mariah was already well established prior to her minor remixes. And they sure as hell wasn't as consistent as they now are with Katy.
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Originally posted by The Lambily
Josh's Blog
Absolutely NO RECEIPTS / REFERENCES / PROOF / EVIDENCE to what this person wrote. Which makes it invalid, false, inaccurate! I see QUEEN MARIAH got this blooger pressed.
LIE! No one knows this **** lie. This is your biased opinion.
If you listened to these tracks, you would've noticed that they are completely different than the originals with the exception of the "Loverboy" Remix. Plus Mariah has been credited with popularizing HIP HOP and Pop Music collaborations in the 90s. She started this trend. So you fail
*Reports for lying*
Excuse me, I am the Mariah stan here and NEVER have I heard or seen of such thing as Mariah selling WBT free on her site.
You tried tho....
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If it's free she's not selling it at all...
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Originally posted by Nicole
People were fine when LFN got discounted.
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Oh God no
I do agree though, the frequency + the fact that her goal is to get a #1 bugs me the most. If her singles were flopping then the discount/remixes arrived, it wouldn't be so looked down upon. But all of this was such a glory-seeking move, it's revolting.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Leave Katy alone! You are so bornig with this,she stays unbothered and now I want her to break the record even more just that you people will be even more pressed on the Queen !!! You see that even Legends have done it,and Katy is not the first one to do it,so what's the point?Katy is the new Queen of Pop and you all have to deal with it!! See ya!
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
She was hardly "the Rihanna of her day" and Mariah was and still is highly respected by critics. Mariah writes and often co-produces and composes her own ****. The same can't be said for Ms. Fenty. Mariah was already well established prior to her minor remixes. And they sure as hell wasn't as consistent as they now are with Katy.
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Mariah was seen as mechanical when she began her career hence why she was panned by The Grammys for so long. Rihanna does have writing credits on her albums so please stop reaching with amputated arms. I wasn't attacking Mariah in any way, however it is true.
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Originally posted by Ruben
Because the GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T GIVE A ****! There was no ATRL back then, or any other music board, to criticize that. Outside of this fictional world, nobody gives a **** about it!
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Exactly.
I can't at some ignorant ATRLers thinking their opinion is superior to the general public who in reality don't give two ***** about this.
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The fact that the Teenage Dream singles had much more longevity at #1 than any of Bad's singles should already put the accomplishment in Katy's favor. Yes, I know digital singles are much easier to obtain than physical singles, but how many of those Bad singles have really stood the test of time? Most TD singles are disposable too though.
The only #1 of this era that won't be legit is TOTGA, if it even happens. All the other singles went multiplatinum and reached the top spots both in airplay and digitally (at full price).
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
The fact that the Teenage Dream singles had much more longevity at #1 than any of Bad's singles should already put the accomplishment in Katy's favor. Yes, I know digital singles are much easier to obtain than physical singles, but how many of those Bad singles have really stood the test of time? Most TD singles are disposable too though.
The only #1 of this era that won't be legit is TOTGA, if it even happens. All the other singles went multiplatinum and reached the top spots both in airplay and digitally (at full price).
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THIS!
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Originally posted by Deemy
Rihanna's tactic is releasing an album every year while she's still young and selling them full price.
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Originally posted by slobro
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Cyber Monday + Didn't count for Billboard.
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Originally posted by Sammi
I've made this thread just to prove many other acts were doing the same or worse things in past because most of members here think Katy's the only and biggest act behind this. And nothing has backfired,we're on ATRL.
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i'll give you that. sadly proving that there are many more people (besides Katy & her label) who use sneaky tactics to sell, chart, and break records. as with all else, whether it's good or bad; as long as they can profit (& get away with it), people in the industry will keep doing this (and other things) until they are no longer allowed. not everyone obviously (thank God). but billboard will only react when it makes them look bad.
however, as someone else pointed out earlier, its always easier for non-fans of artists to point out their "sins". so i give kudos to all the non-delusional stans who openly admit when their fave is in the wrong.
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It may be full of cheap tactics, but what Katy accomplished this era is still pretty ****ing impressive. To hit #1 on every major chart and get audiences to purchase your music in those numbers single after single is no small feat. Marketing only works when audiences are interested in buying what you're selling, and Katy Perry was this year's most effective musical product.
Not to take away from Michael Jackson's own amazing accomplishment, but let's not sanctify it either. Bad was his follow-up to Thriller, so he had all the momentum of the biggest album of all time behind him. Plus, those five #1 singles came at a time of rampant payola, diminishing single sales and a Hot 100 based only on pop radio airplay (notice that none of them stayed at the top longer than two weeks). These records are always a result of their circumstances, and history will take note of those that led to Katy Perry's.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
It may be full of cheap tactics, but what Katy accomplished this era is still pretty ****ing impressive. To hit #1 on every major chart and get audiences to purchase your music in those numbers single after single is no small feat. Marketing only works when audiences are interested in buying what you're selling, and Katy Perry was this year's most effective musical product.
Not to take away from Michael Jackson's own amazing accomplishment, but let's not sanctify it either. Bad was his follow-up to Thriller, so he had all the momentum of the biggest album of all time behind him. Plus, those five #1 singles came at a time of rampant payola, diminishing single sales and a Hot 100 based only on pop radio airplay (notice that none of them stayed at the top longer than two weeks). These records are always a result of their circumstances, and history will take note of those that led to Katy Perry's.
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!!! Katy has 19 weeks @#1 while Jackson has 7 or even less weeks,many of you probably don't even know this.Katy has +1 year in Billboard Top 10,the only artist in Billboard history to do that,that speaks for itself and her singles longevity.
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California Gurls 140 million airplay,+5 million sold
#1 CHR (7 weeks) (13,240 Spins)
#1 Airplay (3 weeks) (144,071 AI?)
#1 Dance (1 week)
#1 Digital (5 weeks)
#1 H100 (6 weeks)
#1 HAC (9 weeks) (4,692 spins)
Teenage Dream 130 million airplay,4 million sold
#1 CHR (4 weeks) (12,963 Spins)
#1 Airplay (1 week) (128.832 AI?)
#1 Dance (1 week)
#1 Digital (2 weeks)
#1 H100 (2 weeks)
#1 HAC (4 weeks) (4,218 spins)
Firework +145 million airplay,+ 5 million sold
#1 CHR (4 weeks) (13,885 Spins)
#1 Airplay (1 week) (145,099 AI?)
#1 Dance (1 week)
#1 Digital (3 weeks)
#1 H100 (4 weeks)
#1 HAC (5 weeks) (4,556 spins)
E.T. + 151 million airplay,+4.8 million sold
#1 CHR (6 weeks) (14780 Spins)
#1 Airplay (5 weeks) (151.829 AI?)
#1 Dance (1 week)
#1 Digital (7 weeks)
#1 H100 (5 weeks)
#1 RHY (4 weeks) (5,335 spins)
Last Friday Night +147 million airplay,+2,8 million sold
#1 CHR (5 weeks) (14,935 Spins)
#1 Airplay (4 weeks) (147.716 AI)
#1 Dance (1 week)
#1 Digital (2 weeks)
#1 Hot 100 (2 weeks)
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She's still desperate and even if she ties or break records set by MJ or The Beatles, she will never earn the global respect and appeal that the two both have.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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How does this help Katy?
What she's doing isn't even that bad, it's just ridiculous to remix three out of six singles from your album & have ALL of them be terrible (well, everyone seems to love E.T.'s remix but I personally think Kanye's verses are horrible).
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