And this is why these Republicans don't phase HRC. They're ALL TALK behind her back (on a political debate stage), but behind scenes, they be loving her and joking with her. That's why she remains unbothered with these men when the run off at the mouth -- SHE SLAY, OKAY!
Interesting read about the darkness behind some of Bernie's supporters.
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The boos are getting louder. The chants are getting more personal. The shouts from the crowd are getting more frequent.
Top Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton have noticed the disdain that some of Bernie Sanders’ most hardcore backers have toward her, and are beginning to worry about what it’s going to take to bring them into the fold in November, when they assume Clinton will be the party nominee.
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In New Hampshire — likely to be a swing state in November — Sanders’ energetic rallies have been marked by booing when he mentions Clinton, and wild cheers when he lists the issues where she is out of step with progressives. The Vermont senator’s supporters have grown so familiar with his stump speech that some respond even before he’s made his point.
On Tuesday in Claremont — near the Vermont border — Sanders started the portion of his speech that rails against the bank Goldman Sachs, but was barely able to get the name of the financial institution out of his mouth before one man yelled, “Hillary goes there!” and others around him erupted in cheers.
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“It can be nasty. It can be vitriolic,” said Clinton press secretary Brian Fallon at a breakfast briefing Thursday, referring to a contingent of Sanders supporters who have been termed ‘Bernie Bros.’ “[I] think that the Sanders campaign needs to beware the extent to which, in an effort to mobilize and galvanize their supporters, they start to let the mentality or the crudeness seep into their own words and criticisms that they hurl at Secretary Clinton.”
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“I have [heard the concerns], I’ve heard it from some people within the campaign,” she added. “But I’ve heard it mostly from outside Democrats who are worried about the tone — it’s not necessarily Bernie campaign people, it’s Bernie supporters, some online — about how nasty it’s gotten."
Thoughts? This is what happens when you create such a narrative within your party. It's becoming almost "GOP-like" hate from within our own party. That's concerning!
Thoughts? This is what happens when you create such a narrative within your party. It's becoming almost "GOP-like" hate from within our own party. That's concerning!
I agree this is bad. Like very bad, even back in 2008 HRC supporters hated Obama but you could distinguish them from the GOP. What Bernie's supporters are doing (and not vice versa actually) isn't...good. Definitely won't help the party unity
What Sanders needs to do (assuming Clinton wins the nomination) is almost immediately back Hillary to gather the party around her. But if he wins Hill doesn't need to do the same as her supporters will go to him anyway (and while I say she doesn't have to, it's a mistake if she doesn't. She should endorse him anyway and I'm sure she would)
I personally don't give a **** about Bernie's supporters, you guys would be saying the same if the Clinton's supporters were doing the same **** (which some of them are) — the only reason this is brought up is because shots need to be fired at Bernie from every single direction, even using things that are irrelevant and trying to tie them around him because he's a major threat to Hillary. If he didn't get that virtual tie in Iowa and if he isn't expecting to be winning New Hampshire by a good margin, this would not have been a story.
I know Democrats love to play the victim, all the time, I've seen it in real life and I've seen it even virtually, when Senator McCaskill quoted my tweet and others' tweets to try to make it seem like they were helpless, defenseless, vulnerable, traumatized victims of Bernie supporters' hate speech. If you can't take shots from all directions, don't be a senator, don't be a governor, don't run for president.
Hillary's and Bernie's campaigns should be about the issues (fortunately they are), and what the supporters do or say is not an issue. It would be extra courtesy from Bernie to address it (I think I would if I was him), but this isn't indispensable. So far, Hillary and Bernie have been very mature and have been carrying issue-oriented campaigns, I don't wanna see a typical miserable Democratic victim card.
Bernie is just telling the truth about Hilary's record. It's not his fault his supporters (which include women as well, horrible how Clinton surrogates are trying to paint them all as sexists; it's like all they have is identity politics) don't like her. She's not a likable person.
^ +1. Hillary's favorability and honesty ratings speak for themselves. Besides, I think most Bernie supporters know he vowed not to run as a third party candidate if Hill wins the nomination & has repeatedly said either of them would be a million times better than the alternatives. It's not like he's been spreading negative propaganda against her, only posing a very valid question re: her integrity. It's as if HRC and her camp expect him to run while not saying a single less-than-glowing word about her, while she can tear into him with impunity -- but given how committed she is at playing the victim, this wouldn't surprise me.
Also, Bombshell: not everyone on the internet is nice. If we're using the internet as a metric, I've seen plenty of people on Bernie support sites claiming to be independents and even republicans switching over in order to vote for him. Such people would really owe no party loyalty to democrats in general, as they may have secondary issues which draw them to other candidates (which might be one way to read some of the polls which have him outperforming Hillary against repubs), or they might only be getting into this election cycle due to the generally popular bipartisan issue of removing the corrupting influence of big money in politics, which Bernie seems to be focused on while Hillary isn't.
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Originally posted by Marvin
There's actually a video of Elizabeth Warren talking with someone where she said Hillary convinced Bill to vote against a bankruptcy bill while he was president, but then Hillary voted for that same bill while she was a senator.
^ This is probably the reason why we'll never get an outright Elizabeth Warren endorsement. Openly endorsing Bern, who she seems to be more in line with based on political views and may have indirectly supported in a recent interview where she subtly dismissed some of the cases against him, might be politically damaging if he isn't the democratic nominee. And supporting Hill would probably paint her as a huge hypocrite by much of her progressive base since she pretty much admits in this video that Hillary goes against Elizabeth's main issue.
I don't quite see your point(s). The difference is that there isn't a vocal minority of Clinton supporters using Jewish slurs against Bernie, whereas there is a vocal minority of Sanders supporters who use sexist terms like witch, hag, and the c-word. And the "internet is mean, get tough skin!!!" argument is fair but I don't think it addresses the point. Nobody is worried about Hillary's self-esteem, I just personally think the fact that some of the pejoratives that have been used by Sanders supporters are tinged with sexism is problematic for any progressive.
I agree this is bad. Like very bad, even back in 2008 HRC supporters hated Obama but you could distinguish them from the GOP. What Bernie's supporters are doing (and not vice versa actually) isn't...good. Definitely won't help the party unity
What Sanders needs to do (assuming Clinton wins the nomination) is almost immediately back Hillary to gather the party around her. But if he wins Hill doesn't need to do the same as her supporters will go to him anyway (and while I say she doesn't have to, it's a mistake if she doesn't. She should endorse him anyway and I'm sure she would)
I have no doubt no matter who wins the ticket, they'll endorse and fully back the other candidate. Too much is at stake in November and neither Bernie or Hillary want to see the GOP take reigns of the White House again. Not when we've made such progress since President Obama has taken office, following the Bush Administration.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I personally don't give a **** about Bernie's supporters, you guys would be saying the same if the Clinton's supporters were doing the same **** (which some of them are) — the only reason this is brought up is because shots need to be fired at Bernie from every single direction, even using things that are irrelevant and trying to tie them around him because he's a major threat to Hillary. If he didn't get that virtual tie in Iowa and if he isn't expecting to be winning New Hampshire by a good margin, this would not have been a story.
I know Democrats love to play the victim, all the time, I've seen it in real life and I've seen it even virtually, when Senator McCaskill quoted my tweet and others' tweets to try to make it seem like they were helpless, defenseless, vulnerable, traumatized victims of Bernie supporters' hate speech. If you can't take shots from all directions, don't be a senator, don't be a governor, don't run for president.
Hillary's and Bernie's campaigns should be about the issues (fortunately they are), and what the supporters do or say is not an issue. It would be extra courtesy from Bernie to address it (I think I would if I was him), but this isn't indispensable. So far, Hillary and Bernie have been very mature and have been carrying issue-oriented campaigns, I don't wanna see a typical miserable Democratic victim card.
Shots don't need to be fired at Bernie for leading in New Hampshire, when Hillary holds a similar lead in South Carolina and a decent size lead in Nevada. It's the tone that has washed through a large group of Bernie supporters. The language and hateful rhetoric is nearly identical to what we see from Donald Trump supporters. That's concerning, whether you like to acknowledge it or not. I find Democrats better than such trashy behavior. Do we have plenty from within the party that detract from that? Sure! No mass group of people are perfect.
Bringing attention to the matter isn't "complaining and trying to play victim." It's a concern of ensuring the party stays united, no matter the difference in opinions on how we execute the topics we do agree on. We can passionately differ in opinions and call others out on their record, but the need to make it personal and attack in such an aggressive manner? It's not needed!
The levels of name calling and disgusting comments made about Secretary Clinton is always there. However, it's confined normally to online hooligans or minor groups of people in person. To have such a large group of people, congregating and stating such things vocally? That's a problem!
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Bernie is just telling the truth about Hilary's record. It's not his fault his supporters (which include women as well, horrible how Clinton surrogates are trying to paint them all as sexists; it's like all they have is identity politics) don't like her. She's not a likable person.
What does "which included women as well," have to do with the hateful way people are coming after Hillary? Because women are participating, it's okay? I have no problem with Bernie, it's what some of his supporters are taking from him and saying afterward that worries me. However, if you don't think there has been any levels of sexism working against Hillary in this Presidential campaigning, I have nothing for you. When a man is speaking loudly, he's, "passionate" and he's, "assertive." However, when Hillary raises her voice and refuses to back down, she's a "bitch" and she's, "shouting." Why can't she be strong or passionate or assertive like her male counterparts are revered as?
Yes, Hillary is viewed as not being a likable person to some people, but that isn't the case for all people. You don't speak for myself or every person in this country. I for one, like Secretary Clinton, just as I like Bernie Sanders as well. I'm not gonna bash and belittle Bernie because I support Hillary Clinton on most issues (not all, but most).
I have no doubt no matter who wins the ticket, they'll endorse and fully back the other candidate. Too much is at stake in November and neither Bernie or Hillary want to see the GOP take reigns of the White House again. Not when we've made such progress since President Obama has taken office, following the Bush Administration.
Shots don't need to be fired at Bernie for leading in New Hampshire, when Hillary holds a similar lead in South Carolina and a decent size lead in Nevada. It's the tone that has washed through a large group of Bernie supporters. The language and hateful rhetoric is nearly identical to what we see from Donald Trump supporters. That's concerning, whether you like to acknowledge it or not. I find Democrats better than such trashy behavior. Do we have plenty from within the party that detract from that? Sure! No mass group of people are perfect.
Bringing attention to the matter isn't "complaining and trying to play victim." It's a concern of ensuring the party stays united, no matter the difference in opinions on how we execute the topics we do agree on. We can passionately differ in opinions and call others out on their record, but the need to make it personal and attack in such an aggressive manner? It's not needed!
The levels of name calling and disgusting comments made about Secretary Clinton is always there. However, it's confined normally to online hooligans or minor groups of people in person. To have such a large group of people, congregating and stating such things vocally? That's a problem!
What does "which included women as well," have to do with the hateful way people are coming after Hillary? Because women are participating, it's okay? I have no problem with Bernie, it's what some of his supporters are taking from him and saying afterward that worries me. However, if you don't think there has been any levels of sexism working against Hillary in this Presidential campaigning, I have nothing for you. When a man is speaking loudly, he's, "passionate" and he's, "assertive." However, when Hillary raises her voice and refuses to back down, she's a "bitch" and she's, "shouting." Why can't she be strong or passionate or assertive like her male counterparts are revered as?
Yes, Hillary is viewed as not being a likable person to some people, but that isn't the case for all people. You don't speak for myself or every person in this country. I for one, like Secretary Clinton, just as I like Bernie Sanders as well. I'm not gonna bash and belittle Bernie because I support Hillary Clinton on most issues (not all, but most).
I agree with all of these points. I've no doubt either will endorse the other but I see Clinton's supporters easily rallying behind Bernie while the vice versa scenario isn't the same. I have a hard time seeing them get behind her if you see the way they attack her personally. CNN was talking about this earlier today, if the media is sexisr towards her (and other female candidates and stars like Kelly and Fiorina) and how that overt or minor sexism affects what millennials think of her. The general consensus was that the media is definitely biased against her with tones of sexism and that the younger generation is absorbing the information.
I do agree that just because women are chiming in on it doesn't make those attacks any less wrong. It is what it is. As a presidential candidate she should be ready but when those attacks come from your same party is quite concerning. I expect (sadly) this from the GOP supporters more than fellow democrats or supposedly neutral independents.
And just to ask, she has a lead in Nevada? The last poll done there was 1.5 months ago I think so it isn't fair to draw conclusions from that unless you saw a more recent poll I wasn't aware of?
But the decision/accountability was still up to him.
