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Discussion: Lady Gaga's Funeral | ARRIVALS
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
No, since Lady Gaga wrote the song long before gays killed themselves  |
What a stupid and ignorant logic.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
Nicole has a point though. The producers are relatively unknown (DJ White Shadow IS unknown) and the gay lyrics weren't playing it safe at all. In mainstream literature, gay and lesbian themes are ALMOST ALWAYS described in metaphors and symbolism. Very rarely, if ever, are they as blunt as how Born This Way states them. It was risky in that sense. The lyrics are cheesy and the whole love yourself theme is generic and safe, but she made the song risky in it's own right. I'm tired of people disregarding the gay bit because that was indeed taking a risk.
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But she's been moving in this direction for at least a year now, as Newt said. It would've been a risk for Britney.
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
That's what is so great about it - it's universal. Which is exactly why it's an anthem, and BTW is not.
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BTW is very universal, it reaches everyone just like Fireworks does. And it does it more plainly for everyone, even the slow to understand 
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Originally posted by Lararen
Overall idea.. Melody and everything .
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And yet still, the song doesnt contain the said lyrics...if its so generic?
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
But she's been moving in this direction for at least a year now, as Newt said. It would've been a risk for Britney.
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Why does it have to be a risk for a certain artist. We are talking about risks in general right?
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
And yet it wasn't released "before all those other girls jumped on the bandwagon to capitalize on the gay suicides" so sit down.
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Moot point, doesn't change the fact that she penned the song before everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
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Originally posted by RatedG
BTW is very universal, it reaches everyone just like Fireworks does. And it does it more plainly for everyone, even the slow to understand |
And the records and sales are there to prove that.
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Originally posted by RatedG
Of course it wasn't. What you just said makes no sense  |
It makes perfect sense. We don't know for certain that GaGa wrote the song before all the suicides since until just a month ago, we only heard four lines of it. And it was released after all those other songs, so no matter how you look at it, she was jumping on the bandwagon last.
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Pretty sure Katy was talking about "Firework" long before the suicides.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
No, since Lady Gaga wrote the song long before gays killed themselves |
 I cant!!
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
But she's been moving in this direction for at least a year now, as Newt said. It would've been a risk for Britney.
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Eli, that still doesn't equate to lyrics that explicitly mention gay, transgendered, and lesbian individuals. In a mainstream song, that's huge. Homosexuality in the mainstream is controversial, even though it shouldn't be.
Half or over half of this country does not support gay marriage. You can't tell me that there isn't a stigma attached to homosexuality in any way that is presented in public life. Do you remember the backlash that Adam Lambert got for one of his performances that was overtly homo-erotic?
And yes, I'm talking local. Europe is a different story IMO.
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Originally posted by RatedG
BTW is very universal, it reaches everyone just like Fireworks does. And it does it more plainly for everyone, even the slow to understand |
It attempts to, but the sincerity isn't there. I'm sure her intentions were good, but it came out like a vanity project.
But I'm sure you'd be quick to understand that.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
It makes perfect sense. We don't know for certain that GaGa wrote the song before all the suicides since until just a month ago, we only heard four lines of it. And it was released last, so no matter how you look at it, she was jumping on the bandwagon last.
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Those 4 lines still contained stuff from the song that would count as inspiration, and yet again she did it before the other girls. You can try again
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Originally posted by RatedG
Why does it have to be a risk for a certain artist. We are talking about risks in general right?
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When you fashion your image around being a gay-loving, God-fearing, "free bitch," is a song like "Born This Way" really out of the ordinary?
I mean, seriously, is it a risk at all if the song immediately topped 20+ global iTunes charts and broke radio records? How can you guys say that with a straight face? (No pun intended.) It's pure brand-building.
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Originally posted by Symphonic
And the records and sales are there to prove that. |
Those are due to Gaga's hype, darling. We'll see if it sustains the same longevity as Firework (still Top 10).
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
It attempts to, but the sincerity isn't there. I'm sure her intentions were good, but it came out like a vanity project.
But I'm sure you'd be quick to understand that. |
Now that is subjective. Let's keep it at the facts level
"No matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, trans-gendered life"
Seems pretty universal to me
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Originally posted by RatedG
Those 4 lines still contained stuff from the song that would count as inspiration, and yet again she did it before the other girls. You can try again |
Not before "Firework"
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Originally posted by Jewfro
Eli, that still doesn't equate to lyrics that explicitly mention gay, transgendered, and lesbian individuals. In a mainstream song, that's huge. Homosexuality in the mainstream is controversial, even though it shouldn't be.
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I just don't think it's that controversial. People who hate gays don't listen to Lady GaGa anyway. People who don't care still didn't care when they heard those lyrics. 
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
One can also argue that We R Who We R, Firework, F***in' Perfect, Raise Your Glass paved the way for Born This Way.
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They are not the same.
That uncomfortable feeling you get listening to "Born This Way" with your father.... this is Born This Way. 
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Originally posted by RatedG
Now that is subjective. Let's keep it at the facts level
"No matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, trans-gendered life"
Seems pretty universal to me |
She left out asexual 
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