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Discussion: Let's talk about the 2011-2012 Grammy Awards
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
She was nominated and won a Grammy. The rules were changed after the Lauryn Hill win.
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Originally posted by beyoncefan1
Yes she also won Grammys win DC which also made her ineligible for BNA just like Gwen did cuz she won sum Grammys wit No Doubt. 
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It's not that simple, guys.
Beyoncé, like Gwen Stefani wasn't submitted to Best New Artist because they had both been nominated - and in Bey's case, won - for songwriting.
That's why Lauryn was able to be nominated - she never won for songwriting. Neither did Marsha Ambrosius, which leads me to believe she's in this year.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I don't remember Zac Brown Band getting much play outside of country radio, which is where most of their sales came from. So, I wouldn't say they had more impact. Keri was all over pop radio, even if her sales weren't there. Zac Brown Band won simply because they were conservative, played instruments and had the Country bloc voting for them.
And when does the Grammys EVER go with the artists that made the most impact? I think Carrie Underwood was the last artist to truly win when she was the most popular artists out of the bunch or at least had equal impact to other nominees that year. Nicki, no matter how much impact she has made, will probably lose out on Best New Artist. Mark my words. As someone stated, Hip Hop is the outcast in the general field. There is NO one frontrunner here.
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They had the biggest album of all five artists. They was conservatism in play, but it played hand in hand with sales. Tings Tings and SP were out of it, and MGMT was a year too late. Most females who win BNA have either huge or unique voices; Keri has neither.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
It's not that simple, guys.
Beyoncé, like Gwen Stefani wasn't submitted to Best New Artist because they had both been nominated - and in Bey's case, won - for songwriting.
That's why Lauryn was able to be nominated - she never won for songwriting. Neither did Marsha Ambrosius, which leads me to believe she's in this year.
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Damn that's too bad otherwise Bey would've won this hands down. 
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
They had the biggest album of all five artists. They was conservatism in play, but it played hand in hand with sales. Tings Tings and SP were out of it, and MGMT was a year too late. Most females who win BNA have either huge or unique voices; Keri has neither.
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So Christina has those qualities then eh? 
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Originally posted by beyoncefan1
Damn that's too bad otherwise Bey would've won this hands down.
So Christina has those qualities then eh? |
It's huge and unique. Let's leave the potential flamebait out of this thread, eh?
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
It's huge and unique. Let's leave the potential flamebait out of this thread, eh? |
Yes sir just had to ask.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
They had the biggest album of all five artists. They was conservatism in play, but it played hand in hand with sales. Tings Tings and SP were out of it, and MGMT was a year too late. Most females who win BNA have either huge or unique voices; Keri has neither.
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Well, this certainly helps my case with Nicki. 
I say, watch out for Foster The People for BNA. Their album just came out, they are just finding success and will be on voters' minds, etc., especially if they get SNL and VMA slots. "If I Die Young" and "You Lie" may be reasons for The Band Perry to scoop up votes, though. 
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I'd rather have FTP win. I don't see the big deal about The Band Perry...at all. 
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Well, this certainly helps my case with Nicki.
I say, watch out for Foster The People for BNA. Their album just came out, they are just finding success and will be on voters' minds, etc., especially if they get SNL and VMA slots. "If I Die Young" and "You Lie" may be reasons for The Band Perry to scoop up votes, though. |
Nicki 10 - 11 = Jody - 86 - 87.
Who is booking me?
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Nicki 10 - 11 = Jody - 86 - 87.
Who is booking me?
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Funny thing is, I used Jody Watley as an example as to why Keri could have won two years ago.
No, just, no. Find me a recent example of someone like Nicki winning.  If she wins, then Kanye's loss looks even more like a joke. Same with 50 Cent.
Oh, and Marsha has been nominated for songwriting. Shouldn't a nomination disqualify her from the race? or is it just a win?
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No, just, no. Find me a recent example of someone like Nicki winning. If she wins, then Kanye's loss looks even more like a joke. Same with 50 Cent. |
Evanescence deserved their award 
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Funny thing is, I used Jody Watley as an example as to why Keri could have won two years ago.
No, just, no. Find me a recent example of someone like Nicki winning. If she wins, then Kanye's loss looks even more like a joke. Same with 50 Cent.
Oh, and Marsha has been nominated for songwriting. Shouldn't a nomination disqualify her from the race? or is it just a win?
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If that's the case, then she is disqualified.
But I think Far Away has a chance in Song. More on that in my Song post.
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Originally posted by loghen
Evanescence deserved their award |
I didn't have an issue with their win, tbh. I knew 50 Cent would lose anyway. 
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
If that's the case, then she is disqualified.
But I think Far Away has a chance in Song. More on that in my Song post.
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I hope you're right about "Far Away" in SOTY.  I can't ever predict SOTY. 
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Is Bon Iver eligible for Best New Artist?
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Originally posted by DJWolff
Is Bon Iver eligible for Best New Artist?
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Yes, this is their second album, haven't been submitted more than three times (I don't think they have ever submitted), haven't been nominated for any Grammys and this is the album that helped them gain their public identity. They are most definitely eligible... as eligible as Jonas Brothers three years ago and Esperanza Spalding last year.
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Thanks, Cap10. Contenders for Best New Artist? I would say:
*Bon Iver (I want them to win both AOTY and BNA)
*Nicki Minaj (I guess she can be submitted here, since she only got 1 nomination out of 37 submissions and it would be her second (?) shot)
*Foster The People
Other options?
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Originally posted by DJWolff
Thanks, Cap10. Contenders for Best New Artist? I would say:
*Bon Iver (I want them to win both AOTY and BNA)
*Nicki Minaj (I guess she can be submitted here, since she only got 1 nomination out of 37 submissions and it would be her second (?) shot)
*Foster The People
Other options?
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I think The Band Perry is a lock for a BNA nomination.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I think The Band Perry is a lock for a BNA nomination.
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In this case, I think Bon Iver, Nicky Minaj, Foster The People and The Band Perry are set on stone (I have seen them on many predictions). Those plus [insert under-the-radar artist here]. I have seen Wiz Khalifa, but I doubt NARAS will nominate two hip-hop acts this year.
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wouldn't the NARAS consider the fact that nicki brought a whole sub-category back in music...she breathed life into female rappers
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wouldn't the NARAS consider the fact that nicki brought a whole sub-category back in music...she breathed life into female rappers
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She and like Kreayshawn (who is still opened to debate) are the only female rappers at the moment. Not really bringing anything back, eh? Unless there's an abundance of female rappers having major success, I doubt it would matter to voters. Besides, female rappers aren't that loved by NARAS, unless you're Missy Elliott.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
She and like Kreayshawn (who is still opened to debate) are the only female rappers at the moment. Not really bringing anything back, eh? Unless there's an abundance of female rappers having major success, I doubt it would matter to voters. Besides, female rappers aren't that loved by NARAS, unless you're Missy Elliott. |
Don't forget Lauryn starting the trend of most Grammys (5) won in a night for a female artist. 
I also think Nicki could grab a Grammy if Kanye submits Monster for Rap/Sung cuz atm I don't see any other huge contenders takin it home. 
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