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Video Games: WINNER: Ocarina of Time! Bye Pokehash
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I sense lies. There is no way you just played "some of it", unless you really aren't invested in depth, story, or the importance of character relationships at all. I guess it does make sense though, because you play Nintendo games.
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Oh, I play plenty of story driven games. The Phoenix Wright series is one of my favorites, if not my favorite. And everyone plays Nintendo games, that's not really a drag, sis.
I just think gameplay in video games is a lot more important than everything else. I think that makes sense because video games are an interactive form of media. A good story is nice, but great gameplay is a must. That's why high praise for so many games this gen baffles me. Sure they may have shockingly good presentation and story, but the gameplay does nothing to grab you like the graphics and story do.
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Kingdom hearts & Arkham City
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Exactly the problem Sony games have had for the past couple generations.
I would rather play Crash Team Racing than The Last of Us.
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lord, crash team racing was such a ****ing brilliant game.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I'll pray for you.
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But I thought you stanned for anything and everything Naughty Dog...
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Originally posted by Cas
the other is a survival game with one of the most advanced AI in gaming.
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wait what?
The AI was one of the most ****ed up things in the last of us. There were so many problems with it. Not to mention Naughty Dog misled the public about how the AI would function.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
I have played almost all of the Zelda games, and have witnessed their greatness first hand, but they don't compare in terms of story. Maybe Twilight Princess, which is the only one that made me feel something. Zelda is something special in the Nintendo world though, most of their games nowadays are sad rehashes that struggle with story.
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Even if Skyward Sword had a ton of padding and flaws, it still provided an amazing origin story - minus all the zombie bullsh*t and fetishism.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Oh, I play plenty of story driven games. The Phoenix Wright series is one of my favorites, if not my favorite. And everyone plays Nintendo games, that's not really a drag, sis.
I just think gameplay in video games is a lot more important than everything else. I think that makes sense because video games are an interactive form of media. A good story is nice, but great gameplay is a must. That's why high praise for so many games this gen baffles me. Sure they may have shockingly good presentation and story, but the gameplay does nothing to grab you like the graphics and story do.
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One of the most praised games is Pokemon. While trying to catch all of the pokemon is really addiciting, the "story" develops slowly, being in a cave is quite frustrating with all of these zubats and diglets. Many times your luck can make or break the match. I'm sorry but this is far from the best gameplay in a game and still it's called one of the best. Why? Because this is a game you played as a child. Nostalgia gives this unexplainable charm to the old nintendo games.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Oh, I play plenty of story driven games. The Phoenix Wright series is one of my favorites, if not my favorite. And everyone plays Nintendo games, that's not really a drag, sis.
I just think gameplay in video games is a lot more important than everything else. I think that makes sense because video games are an interactive form of media. A good story is nice, but great gameplay is a must. That's why high praise for so many games this gen baffles me. Sure they may have shockingly good presentation and story, but the gameplay does nothing to grab you like the graphics and story do.
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How was the gameplay in TLOU bad though? It relies a lot more on stealth and patience, I see how jumping on Goombas wouldn't require such, but it is a lot more fun and realistic in my opinion. I don't see how the gameplay wasn't great, but ok. TLOU will remain legendary and influential as the video game with one of the greatest stories of all time.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
How was the gameplay in TLOU bad though? It relies a lot more on stealth and patience, I see how jumping on Goombas wouldn't require such, but it is a lot more fun and realistic in my opinion. I don't see how the gameplay wasn't great, but ok. TLOU will remain legendary and influential as the video game with one of the greatest stories of all time.
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I didn't say it was bad. Just nothing compared to how well done the presentation was. Ultimately, the last of us will not be remembered because it had great gameplay, it will be remembered because it looked nice and had a good story.
Does it not bother you at all that the gameplay isn't at all revolutionary and special compared to the presentation? Please remember that we play video games, we don't watch them.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
lord, crash team racing was such a ****ing brilliant game.
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I'm beginning to think that you're fan of this kind of games (mario, crash, zelda) and don't like games such as TLOU, Uncharted, Tomb Raider. That's fine. But that doesn't make the latter games worse or less enjoyable to the others.
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Originally posted by Cas
I'm beginning to think that you're fan of this kind of games (mario, crash, zelda) and don't like games such as TLOU, Uncharted, Tomb Raider. That's fine. But that doesn't make the latter games worse or less enjoyable to the others.
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Zelda games have better story lines than The Last of Us, Uncharted, and Tomb Raider, though.
But anyways, at the end of the day, visuals should be saved for movies and stories should be saved for books.
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Originally posted by Cas
I'm beginning to think that you're fan of this kind of games (mario, crash, zelda) and don't like games such as TLOU, Uncharted, Tomb Raider. That's fine. But that doesn't make the latter games worse or less enjoyable to the others.
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but how can you categorize Mario, Crash, and Xelda into one group?
In fact, I would say that Zelda is in the same genre as Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Action adventure. So it's not that I don't enjoy action adventure games, I just like them to have compelling aspects outside of their presentation.
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Kingdom Hearts
Arkham City
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Zelda games have better story lines than The Last of Us, Uncharted, and Tomb Raider, though.
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sis let's not go too far
I mean I love zelda, but the stories are not that interesting, and are very predictable too.
I do agree with this though:
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
But anyways, at the end of the day, visuals should be saved for movies and stories should be saved for books.
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Developers should focus their innovation and creativity on gameplay, rather than presentation.
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Batman vs Mass Effect, please noo
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Originally posted by Artemisia
I didn't say it was bad. Just nothing compared to how well done the presentation was. Ultimately, the last of us will not be remembered because it had great gameplay, it will be remembered because it looked nice and had a good story.
Does it not bother you at all that the gameplay isn't at all revolutionary and special compared to the presentation? Please remember that we play video games, we don't watch them.
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I play for the story. I play to see that character transform and analyze the relationships they make. To see how that character's past reflected on their present and what choices they make as a result of that. I play games to feel something, not for just mindless fun in the gameplay. I do appreciate some fun games with fun gameplay, but TLOU had incredible gameplay in my opinion. You had to use stealth, craft your own weapons with resources, choose which weapon to use in a particular situation, choose to fight an enemy or evade them. I would urge you to really give the game another chance if you have the time. It took me 10 seconds to get invested in this masterpiece, maybe it takes other people a bit longer. I'm sure if you played it through you would love it.
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
But anyways, at the end of the day, visuals should be saved for movies and stories should be saved for books.
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No thanks. Naughty Dog will continue to revolutionize the industry with their story-driven epics and emotionally investing plots. The others could only dream.
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Zelda games have better story lines than The Last of Us, Uncharted, and Tomb Raider, though.
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Twilight Princess is better than Uncharted 1, and maybe 2 in terms of story. It isn't in the same universe as TLOU, and I have yet to play Tomb Raider so I can't give my opinion on that.
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