[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mike91

I'm guessing you don't know how politics works? Most establishment assume that Hillary is more electable, hence why she gets the endorsements. Also most people still assumed that Bernie had no chance when she got most of those endorsements.

Democrats want to win in November and they're all being fed crap that Hillary is more electable and that Sanders would stand no chance. It's not that hard to figure out.

How are you implying that I don't know how politics works when I'm in a political thread having a discussion with you?

anyways it's always this establishment thug with you. Everyone who supports Clinton is establishment apparently. Doesn't make sense. Is everyone establishment except Bernie and Warren? Like...

Bernie had no chance because he wasn't a democrat as long as her, doesn't have he experience, doesn't have the results she has, etc. it's no surprise people prefer her in the senate. That's also why she's more respected.

Dems want to win sure but if Bernie is as electable as you say they would be supporting him because he's more respected no?

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Wilkes

Evidence as to why his 'politics' are bad

1. We want liberal legislature to pass through republicans and we need as many on board as possible.
2. Keep in mind that our founding fathers set up America so that change would be slow (and it has been, throughout history.)
3. Pay attention to the fact that there is a growing moderate view in society, and independents are now growing more quickly than ever.
4. Bernie is probably one of the most liberal candidates to ever run for president.
5. #4 scares off the people in #3 since he is so liberal.
6. People become even less likely to pass liberal legislature, as their main source of exposure has been from an overly-liberal candidate. Now the aftertaste is left and they're even more biased than they were before.

[Mike91]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Fine because Mike couldn't answer...how do you suppose Sanders is more respected in the Senate than Clinton? If endorsements don't matter

Do you know what respect is? Bernie is very well liked amongst his colleagues. This is not unknown.

Arguing with Clinton supporters is basically like going in circles. They literally have nothing they can use against Sanders so they continue to resort to the same old, stale tactics of going around the point. "She has endorsements!!!"

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Mike91

Do you know what respect is? Bernie is very well liked amongst his colleagues. This is not unknown.

Arguing with Clinton supporters is basically like going in circles. They literally have nothing they can use against Sanders so they continue to resort to the same old, stale tactics of going around the point. "She has endorsements!!!"

I feel the same way about Bernie supporters dismissing every piece of evidence because it is "establishment" :-/

[Mike91]

Originally posted by RatedG²

How are you implying that I don't know how politics works when I'm in a political thread having a discussion with you?

anyways it's always this establishment thug with you. Everyone who supports Clinton is establishment apparently. Doesn't make sense. Is everyone establishment except Bernie and Warren? Like...

Bernie had no chance because he wasn't a democrat as long as her, doesn't have he experience, doesn't have the results she has, etc. it's no surprise people prefer her in the senate. That's also why she's more respected.

Dems want to win sure but if Bernie is as electable as you say they would be supporting him because he's more respected no?

Again, it's like going in circles.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mike91

Do you know what respect is? Bernie is very well liked amongst his colleagues. This is not unknown.

Arguing with Clinton supporters is basically like going in circles. They literally have nothing they can use against Sanders so they continue to resort to the same old, stale tactics of going around the point. "She has endorsements!!!"

I never said he DIDNT have respect. But clearly not as much as Clinton. I have my sources. You have nothing other than "he just is" like okay if you have nothing to prove your claim then don't claim it

[Mike91]

Originally posted by Mickey

I feel the same way about Bernie supporters dismissing every piece of evidence because it is "establishment" :-/

No one is saying it's all establishment. :-/ That's just one of many points. You can't tell me there hasn't been establishment bias. The debate schedule, the fear propaganda about him being a socialist, unelectable, etc.

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Mike91

No one is saying it's all establishment. :-/ That's just one of many points. You can't tell me there hasn't been establishment bias. The debate schedule, the fear propaganda about him being a socialist, unelectable, etc.

True, but some of that "propaganda" about him being a socialist is justified in the fact that taking such an unstable concept and putting it in an already decaying country is just...

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Mike91

No one is saying it's all establishment. :-/ That's just one of many points. You can't tell me there hasn't been establishment bias. The debate schedule, the fear propaganda about him being a socialist, unelectable, etc.

I'm talking about the claim that Bernie is more respected in the senate... if I point at endorsements you say they are establishment, if I give you quotes from senators you would also say they are establishment, there really is no way to demonstrate this with concrete evidence if you think this evidence is invalid :P

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mickey

I'm talking about the claim that Bernie is more respected in the senate... if I point at endorsements you say they are establishment, if I give you quotes from senators you would also say they are establishment, there really is no way to demonstrate this with concrete evidence if you think this evidence is invalid :P

!!

And the funny thing is I asked him how he can claim Bernie is more respected and got nothing other than fluff like "he's well respected" like answer the question with proof. Neither he nor Wilkes could provide. It's okay though it seems we have reached and impasse

Let us all have fun at the debate

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Fine because Mike couldn't answer...how do you suppose Sanders is more respected in the Senate than Clinton? If endorsements don't matter

It is known he is respected. I don't have a clue and you don't have a clue as to who is more respected that is my point.

Originally posted by St. Charles

kii. That doesn't go both ways. You can even read about it in a lot of Economics textbooks (also in Government). This type of thing has proven itself to not be stable.

Economics is the study of the future of human behaviour, its in its nature for people to contradict and clash over it. There is no right or wrong answer. Where? and what is this thing?

Originally posted by St. Charles

1. We want liberal legislature to pass through republicans and we need as many on board as possible.
2. Keep in mind that our founding fathers set up America so that change would be slow (and it has been, throughout history.)
3. Pay attention to the fact that there is a growing moderate view in society, and independents are now growing more quickly than ever.
4. Bernie is probably one of the most liberal candidates to ever run for president.
5. #4 scares off the people in #3 since he is so liberal.
6. People become even less likely to pass liberal legislature, as their main source of exposure has been from an overly-liberal candidate. Now the aftertaste is left and they're even more biased than they were before.

1. How is Hilary going to do that? With Hilary it will simply be more plutocracy
2. Why does that have any bearing on the politics of today? They are not my founding fathers either
3. That's what the media would have you believe. In fact 40% of democrats agree with socialism and I think you will find if you interviewed society as a whole it is far more left than right wing. It is just the right wing are more vocal and actually tend to vote more which leads to this ridiculous skewing.
4. This is a good thing
5. I explained in 3
6. This is simply not true. Sanders is not some polarising figure

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by St. Charles

True, but some of that "propaganda" about him being a socialist is justified in the fact that taking such an unstable concept and putting it in an already decaying country is just...

Its not an unstable concept at all. Roosevelt and Eisenhower were arguably more left of Bernie but the rhetoric of socialism has been flayed over the years.

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by RatedG²

!!

And the funny thing is I asked him how he can claim Bernie is more respected and got nothing other than fluff like "he's well respected" like answer the question with proof. Neither he nor Wilkes could provide. It's okay though it seems we have reached and impasse

Let us all have fun at the debate

What's your proof she is more respected?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Wilkes

What's your proof she is more respected?

The Senator endorsements

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Wilkes

It is known he is respected. I don't have a clue and you don't have a clue as to who is more respected that is my point.



Economics is the study of the future of human behaviour, its in its nature for people to contradict and clash over it. There is no right or wrong answer. Where? and what is this thing?



1. How is Hilary going to do that? With Hilary it will simply be more plutocracy
2. Why does that have any bearing on the politics of today? They are not my founding fathers either
3. That's what the media would have you believe. In fact 40% of democrats agree with socialism and I think you will find if you interviewed society as a whole it is far more left than right wing. It is just the right wing are more vocal and actually tend to vote more which leads to this ridiculous skewing.
4. This is a good thing
5. I explained in 3
6. This is simply not true. Sanders is not some polarising figure

Go look at communism, which is just a more extreme version of socialism.

1. How is Bernie going to do that? That was my question in the first place, after all.
2. I can't explain that. You'll have to take a Government class and find out for yourself.
3. Kii. Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Roman Catholics all had 90%+ people saying they'd vote for one. 47% total for socialism. Less than Atheists, LGBT, Mormons, and Muslims.
4. It's not because of what I just explained.
5. Me too.
6. Yes. Sanders is polarizing.

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Wilkes

Its not an unstable concept at all. Roosevelt and Eisenhower were arguably more left of Bernie but the rhetoric of socialism has been flayed over the years.

I mean, crises and party realignment have to do with that. World War II.

[St. Charles]

But guys I can't wait for the debate. What channel?

Please not that **** that hosted it last time unless I can stream on YouTube again.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by St. Charles

But guys I can't wait for the debate. What channel?

Please not that **** that hosted it last time unless I can stream on YouTube again.

I remember the DNC said it would be on MSNBC. I'm excited to see how both candidates answer some difficult questions with no third party (O'Malley) interruptions

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by RatedG²

I remember the DNC said it would be on MSNBC. I'm excited to see how both candidates answer some difficult questions with no third party (O'Malley) interruptions

Poor O'Malley. It was only a matter of time. Ugh, it just pains my heart for him to be embarrassed time and again in the debates, as well as not being taken seriously as a candidate, getting less than 1% to support him, and having to drop out.

[Retro]

Can't watch tonight, have a meeting. Will watch after and post thoughts.