[Wilkes]

Originally posted by St. Charles

But so what, though? Respect is not what's going to make them pass single payer healthcare. They just won't. There really is no other way around it than to win more Democratic seats. It's literally impossible any other way. Neither Hillary nor Bernie will change that; but in the event that one of the m actually is able to change it, Hillary has a better chance.

No, Hilary doesn't engage the young voters unlike Bernie and its the turnout of the young voters that could drastically swing the congress elections.

Hilary admitting defeat inspires apathy.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mike91

That's great in theory but that's not how it works, for the most part, anymore. Not with the gridlock. Republicans will never work with Hillary. Bernie is more well respected amongst the Senate at least than Hillary. Just ask Obama what happens when you try to work and reason with republicans.

As for the electability issue with Bernie, the top candidates on the republican side are very far to the right so it's not like Bernie would be facing some moderate republican.

These arguments by Clinton supporters are very weak.

Hillary has successful worked with republicans before. And that's not true at all, he's not more respected

There's a reason why she has most of the senate endorsements on the democratic side

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by RatedG²

You're in Cali?

True his chances aren't bad there at all! Unfortunately it's June 7th. By then one of the two democratic candidates would have won (or contained an insurmountable lead)

True. We're so late to the party we don't help someone in 2nd snatch, we just pin the nail on their coffin

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Wilkes

No, Hilary doesn't engage the young voters unlike Bernie and its the turnout of the young voters that could drastically swing the congress elections.

Hilary admitting defeat inspires apathy.

Bernie may engage the young voters, but they still don't vote. I remember how people were saying that Bernie was destined to sweep all the college towns in Iowa, yet only 4% of registered voters under the age of 30 even voted in the Iowa caucus.

[Retro]

I mean, she has 39 Senate Dem endorsements to his zero and there's literally a Politico article up right now about senate Dems being salty with him, so like, no?

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Wilkes

No, Hilary doesn't engage the young voters unlike Bernie and its the turnout of the young voters that could drastically swing the congress elections.

Hilary admitting defeat inspires apathy.

Plus, some of Bernie's plans really do suck economically and would put the country in a really horrible position. I'm glad he's not able to control the minds of Millennials. That's dangerous. They'll end up flocking out to vote for a 30 dollar minimum wage and a bill that pays everyone if they decide to attend college.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Wilkes

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/ne...tions-20160129

Iowa already made our decision

[Wilkes]

I think this article sums it up.

The Big Lie: Hillary the Pragmatist vs. Bernie the Dreamer

The real choice is between someone who is planning on the restoration of democracy and someone who is planning for the perpetuation of plutocracy.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/...e-the-dreamer/

[LuLuDrops]

The youth's voter apathy really is such a downer

Do you think the percentage of total voters in November will be in the 50s or 60s?

[Mike91]

Originally posted by St. Charles

But so what, though? Respect is not what's going to make them pass single payer healthcare. They just won't. There really is no other way around it than to win more Democratic seats. It's literally impossible any other way. Neither Hillary nor Bernie will change that; but in the event that one of the m actually is able to change it, Hillary has a better chance.

What supports your argument that Hillary will get anything done at all though? I'd like to know what she can do to get republicans on her side. Obama basically adopted Republicans policies and still couldn't get them to work with him. He's had to use executive orders to get anything done now.

It's a nice fantasy to think anything will get done with Hillary in office, but she won't. And again, that's where the difference between her and Sanders lies. Sanders admits he can't get it done on his own. It's going to take Americans coming together to demand change, to go out and vote. Maybe that sounds like a fantasy but considering the crowds he draws, the avid support he has, and the changing demographics of this country, Sanders certainly has more momentum in that regards than Hillary.

I'm really not trying to be rude here, but what are Clinton supporters really hoping for? Because again, she's not any more electable than Sanders, she won't get any more done than him, etc. At this point, it just seems like people want to give it to her because they feel she's "due" and because they want a female president. And that's become even more clear within the establishment. There are just very weak arguments against Sanders from the Clinton supporters and that's likely why Sanders' supporters are firing back. We keep being told he can't, we can't, etc and that's what hurts progress in this country.

[St. Charles]

Bernie is kind of taking advantage of the fact that many young people don't know too much about politics. So because everything he's saying sounds sweet and delicious, they decide that this should just be their candidate. I'm actually pretty glad that Millennials don't usually vote. If this is the type of thing they go for (and without proper research), then I'm fine with older people voting.

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by Retro

Iowa already made our decision

That doesn't detract from the point of the article.

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by St. Charles

Plus, some of Bernie's plans really do suck economically and would put the country in a really horrible position. I'm glad he's not able to control the minds of Millennials. That's dangerous. They'll end up flocking out to vote for a 30 dollar minimum wage and a bill that pays everyone if they decide to attend college.

You do understand how an economy works?

[Mike91]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Hillary has successful worked with republicans before. And that's not true at all, he's not more respected

There's a reason why she has most of the senate endorsements on the democratic side

1. Hillary wasn't the president then and that was before the current era of gridlock.

2. Those endorsements mean nothing at this point seeing as how the establishment always showed bias towards Hillary and everyone figured at some point that her win was basically guaranteed. Things are starting to change.

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by St. Charles

Bernie is kind of taking advantage of the fact that many young people don't know too much about politics. So because everything he's saying sounds sweet and delicious, they decide that this should just be their candidate. I'm actually pretty glad that Millennials don't usually vote. If this is the type of thing they go for (and without proper research), then I'm fine with older people voting.

Do you have evidence to support what you are saying?

[Mike91]

Originally posted by St. Charles

Plus, some of Bernie's plans really do suck economically and would put the country in a really horrible position. I'm glad he's not able to control the minds of Millennials. That's dangerous. They'll end up flocking out to vote for a 30 dollar minimum wage and a bill that pays everyone if they decide to attend college.

Multiple economists have endorsed his plan...

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Mike91

That's great in theory but that's not how it works, for the most part, anymore. Not with the gridlock. Republicans will never work with Hillary. Bernie is more well respected amongst the Senate at least than Hillary. Just ask Obama what happens when you try to work and reason with republicans.

As for the electability issue with Bernie, the top candidates on the republican side are very far to the right so it's not like Bernie would be facing some moderate republican.

These arguments by Clinton supporters are very weak.

I don't see how Bernie is more well-respected in the senate when Hillary has 39 out of 46 endorsements from Democratic senators. Even the other Vermont senator has endorsed Hillary and not Bernie. Barbara Boxer, one of the most progressive members of the senate, defended Clinton from Bernie just yesterday.

And Hillary has a giant list of quotes from Republicans saying they respect her / her achievements / would work with her

[Wilkes]

Originally posted by Mike91

What supports your argument that Hillary will get anything done at all though? I'd like to know what she can do to get republicans on her side. Obama basically adopted Republicans policies and still couldn't get them to work with him. He's had to use executive orders to get anything done now.

It's a nice fantasy to think anything will get done with Hillary in office, but she won't. And again, that's where the difference between her and Sanders lies. Sanders admits he can't get it done on his own. It's going to take Americans coming together to demand change, to go out and vote. Maybe that sounds like a fantasy but considering the crowds he draws, the avid support he has, and the changing demographics of this country, Sanders certainly has more momentum in that regards than Hillary.

I'm really not trying to be rude here, but what are Clinton supporters really hoping for? Because again, she's not any more electable than Sanders, she won't get any more done than him, etc. At this point, it just seems like people want to give it to her because they feel she's "due" and because they want a female president. And that's become even more clear within the establishment. There are just very weak arguments against Sanders from the Clinton supporters and that's likely why Sanders' supporters are firing back. We keep being told he can't, we can't, etc and that's what hurts progress in this country.

BAM!

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mike91

What supports your argument that Hillary will get anything done at all though? I'd like to know what she can do to get republicans on her side. Obama basically adopted Republicans policies and still couldn't get them to work with him. He's had to use executive orders to get anything done now.

It's a nice fantasy to think anything will get done with Hillary in office, but she won't. And again, that's where the difference between her and Sanders lies. Sanders admits he can't get it done on his own. It's going to take Americans coming together to demand change, to go out and vote. Maybe that sounds like a fantasy but considering the crowds he draws, the avid support he has, and the changing demographics of this country, Sanders certainly has more momentum in that regards than Hillary.

I'm really not trying to be rude here, but what are Clinton supporters really hoping for? Because again, she's not any more electable than Sanders, she won't get any more done than him, etc. At this point, it just seems like people want to give it to her because they feel she's "due" and because they want a female president. And that's become even more clear within the establishment. There are just very weak arguments against Sanders from the Clinton supporters and that's likely why Sanders' supporters are firing back. We keep being told he can't, we can't, etc and that's what hurts progress in this country.

Again, she's worked with republicans before

In 1997 with a Republican controlled congress and senate, she passed the SCHIP (now abbreviated CHIP) which is the children's health insurance program. As the leader of the bill as First Lady it was unprecedented at the time. Orrin Hatch, a republican, was a co sponsor

She knows how to get things done

[Blade]

Originally posted by RatedG²

You're in Cali?

True his chances aren't bad there at all! Unfortunately it's June 7th. By then one of the two democratic candidates would have won (or contained an insurmountable lead)

mhmm