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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
After 8 years of Bush, the win was obviously going to be a Democrat. And McCain is useless. He's weak on immigration. Romney is much better + he's hot.
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Perhaps I'm just biased since I'm from AZ
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The only Republican I've ever liked was Mike Bloomberg, and we all know how much of one he really is (was).
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Originally posted by Mike91
I can't speak for the other Bernie supporters but it doesn't matter who gets the nomination, I'm still voting democrat. And I do find it ridiculous that all of them would rather stay home than vote because not voting for Hillary sure as hell isn't going to make anything Bernie promises, happen. At least Bernie has raised his profile and can continue the discussion, even if he loses the nomination.
But I support Bernie because I agree with his policies, he comes off as more genuine to me, and seems like he's ready to fight for his policies and get people behind him. There's no doubt it my mind that if Hillary gets elected she'll keep moving this country forward, but she just doesn't have the excitement that Bernie has.
Either way, we can't afford a republican taking office. And as much as I hate Trump, I don't believe for a second he actually supports 90% of the crap he says but he has a base to appeal to and he's going to have to make some of it happen or else he'll lose his support. So even the people who think Trump is a liberal (he actually is), he's still going to have to come through on his promises.
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True. I can't have a republican winning this. But apparently Trump is a closeted liberal, and Rubio is just closeted. So maybe Dems are taking over behind the scenes. 
Honestly, I am 90% sure that Bernie will join Hillary if he loses the nomination. It's literally the best thing that could happen. Especially if they can get Elizabeth Warren to endorse the two of them. Now, Hillary may have the stigma of a socialist as her VP, however, but she can pull it off if Millennials are really serious about voting this time around. It's like, the perfect compromise if she wins the nomination because it will not make Millennials stay at home rather than voting. I hope this is the outcome.
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Originally posted by Mike91
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Reminds me of that twitter meme of Bernie fans.
Both camps go so hard on each other. Can we all just find some chill? No? Okay! 
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
I just want a moderate, slightly left party (socially liberal and fiscally either very centrist or slightly conservative) to happen if the more left Democrats and independents are going to allow themselves to be sucked into the world of Bernie Sanders. The Republicans can join in by getting over their fear of social liberalism and ejecting the Tea Partiers, or they can continue their slow and sad decline.
I don't have anything against him personally but really, if it had to be a "progressive" champion that was doing all of this, I'd want it to be Warren, because she'd do it better and more realistically in my opinion.
We'd be better off with more than two significant parties anyway.
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I have a feeling Warren is going to endorse Sanders soon (she defended him today and is more aligned with his ideas) and could get the VP spot.
I know people say she can get more done in her current role, but a VP spot gives her something far more important, a spotlight.
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Originally posted by Retro
The only Republican I've ever liked was Mike Bloomberg, and we all know how much of one he really is (was).
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I actually like John Kasich and he's not been a terrible governor. But he's practically a liberal for republican standards.
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Honestly, no trolling, immigration should be the only issue that matters in this election. As someone who resides in California, sometimes I can't even tell that I live in the United States. Like, half the signs in public places nowadays are in Spanish here.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
True. I can't have a republican winning this. But apparently Trump is a closeted liberal, and Rubio is just closeted. So maybe Dems are taking over behind the scenes.
Honestly, I am 90% sure that Bernie will join Hillary if he loses the nomination. It's literally the best thing that could happen. Especially if they can get Elizabeth Warren to endorse the two of them. Now, Hillary may have the stigma of a socialist as her VP, however, but she can pull it off if Millennials are really serious about voting this time around. It's like, the perfect compromise if she wins the nomination because it will not make Millennials stay at home rather than voting. I hope this is the outcome. |
I don't think it'll look good for Bernie to align himself with Hillary now after he's repeatedly criticized her for being too corporate, esp. when that's the OPPOSITE of his message. He won't be asked to be VP and also wouldn't accept even if he was.
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Honestly, no trolling, immigration should be the only issue that matters in this election. As someone who resides in California, sometimes I can't even tell that I live in the United States. Like, half the signs in public places nowadays are in Spanish here.
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Then vote Trump! 
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Bernie is GOLD with that talking album. His sense of humor is great. I literally can't stop listening to it. lol
The man really is a good guy,
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Originally posted by St. Charles
True. I can't have a republican winning this. But apparently Trump is a closeted liberal, and Rubio is just closeted. So maybe Dems are taking over behind the scenes.
Honestly, I am 90% sure that Bernie will join Hillary if he loses the nomination. It's literally the best thing that could happen. Especially if they can get Elizabeth Warren to endorse the two of them. Now, Hillary may have the stigma of a socialist as her VP, however, but she can pull it off if Millennials are really serious about voting this time around. It's like, the perfect compromise if she wins the nomination because it will not make Millennials stay at home rather than voting. I hope this is the outcome. |
I think if Bernie loses, shouldn't he stay in the senate for the same reasons people say Warren should stay in the senate? Especially with his new-found fame.
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Honestly, no trolling, immigration should be the only issue that matters in this election. As someone who resides in California, sometimes I can't even tell that I live in the United States. Like, half the signs in public places nowadays are in Spanish here.
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Mess. I disagree. I also live in SoCal and have never had that problem.
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Honestly, no trolling, immigration should be the only issue that matters in this election. As someone who resides in California, sometimes I can't even tell that I live in the United States. Like, half the signs in public places nowadays are in Spanish here.
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You should vote in your local elections, I think they would be able to change the signs in the public places near you
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Originally posted by feelslikeadream
I don't think it'll look good for Bernie to align himself with Hillary now after he's repeatedly criticized her for being too corporate, esp. when that's the OPPOSITE of his message. He won't be asked to be VP and also wouldn't accept even if he was.
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Can't be anymore different thank Obama appointing Hillary as his Secretary of State after hounding her about the vote to support the Iraq War. After that vote, he trusted her judgement in foreign affairs to be his SoS. For the betterment of the party, compromise has to be reached.
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Originally posted by Mike91
I have a feeling Warren is going to endorse Sanders soon (she defended him today and is more aligned with his ideas) and could get the VP spot.
I know people say she can get more done in her current role, but a VP spot gives her something far more important, a spotlight.
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I just hate that she didn't run. Obvi I'd prefer her endorsing Hillary but I'd prefer her running instead of Sanders to endorsing him. 
I guess I'm just not as liberal as I used to be (at the ripe old age of 19, what a mess).
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Originally posted by Mike91
I actually like John Kasich and he's not been a terrible governor. But he's practically a liberal for republican standards.
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And as such those standards are incredibly depressing. I could never get behind him after really thinking about it.
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Originally posted by Mike91
I actually like John Kasich and he's not been a terrible governor. But he's practically a liberal for republican standards.
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Now don't get me wrong, out of the options in GOP, John Kasich is my preference, if the Dems had to lose the general election. BUT, to say that he is practically a liberal is false. His stance with pro-life, anti unions, pro guns, anti gay marriage, and so on. He's far from being a liberal. He's somewhere between moderate and conservative in my mind.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Can't be anymore different thank Obama appointing Hillary as his Secretary of State after hounding her about the vote to support the Iraq War. After that vote, he trusted her judgement in foreign affairs to be his SoS. For the betterment of the party, compromise has to be reached.
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Good point. But I think this is different on a moral level. Obama's entire campaign wasn't based on the harm of the Iraq War. Bernie's entire revolution theme is based on corruption in politics and the rigged economy, which is directly related to Hillary's donations. I think it would be a bigger betrayal to his followers for him to join forces with Hillary than it was for Obama to appoint her as SoS.
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The Democrats are starting to be being pulled too far to the idealist left for me, the entire Republican field in and out of Washington is toxic and ignorant anymore, independents are flocking to the extremes on both ends (most liberal Dem in the Senate, Sanders, and Trump/Cruz on the other end), there's not a single viable third party anywhere in sight, and by the way everyone I think John Maynard Keynes was really cool and interesting
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I would love for a big name to jump in at like the last minute
I know it isn't practical, but lordT imagine if Warren just did a last minute entrance
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Originally posted by Retro
The Democrats are starting to be being pulled too far to the idealist left for me, the entire Republican field in and out of Washington is toxic and ignorant anymore, independents are flocking to the extremes on both ends (most liberal Dem in the Senate, Sanders, and Trump/Cruz on the other end), there's not a single viable third party anywhere in sight, and by the way everyone I think John Maynard Keynes was really cool and interesting
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Are you an economics major?
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