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Chart Listings: US Airplay Discussion Thread (Dec 2012 - July 2013)
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Originally posted by Super_freddie
Gurl that's ur opinion
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Can you be any more original?
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Originally posted by Cz!
BL is a much, much, much bigger song than WBT on a worldwide scale.
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Yet I'm pretty sure most people around my age will know WBT and not so sure they will know BL. Esp', lets say, a year or 2 from now.
I know I can't really prove that, other than in my own country that is, but well, give it a year or two.
Just like Just Dance which I really love is pretty much forgotten while Poker Face is still out there in people's mind. It's the song itself that makes the difference most of the time, not the success.
[I'm talking about cases where both songs who are compared are successful, obviously if a song is flopping and another is successful this won't be the same lol]
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I'm soo pissed off with radio, Molly should be slaying
Does the song sound bad on radio? That's always a factor
"Blurred Lines" needs just to increase 39 Spins, then the record is broken
Imagine Dragons' recovery Over 150M I love these guys so much
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36 +1 ENRIQUE IGLESIAS Turn The N... 1102 +127
Gash. SO MASSIVE.
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
the problem wasn't the panel size...it was the way urban and rhythmic were weighted
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It wasn't that. It was just because back then it was common for songs to smash on pop, rhythmic and urban (and sometimes HAC) at the same time. But it hasn't happened much in the past few years (and when it has, it's often at different times on the formats), which is why we haven't had such big airplay peaks. If more people had tried having the same song on pop and urban in the past few years, we would've got more huge peaks, just like Blurred Lines is managing right now, and just like the songs back in 2005 managed.
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Originally posted by Waffles_
The all time chart doesn't really agree since ALL the rest of the top 10 songs of all time came from the mid 2000's. That doesn't support your theory that the panel is bigger overall now.
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We can't really compare those mid-00s songs to the hits from today. We have no songs (apart from now Blurred Lines) that were hits on pop, rhythmic and urban at the same time to compare to them, if we did, they would be matching their airplay. The closest we had in this decade is What's My Name? which got #2 on urban and #4 on pop, and Rude Boy which I think did similarly.
So even if the panel was bigger now and its easier to get high AI, the songs from back then would still be higher because they crossed over more than the songs today do.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
It wasn't that. It was just because back then it was common for songs to smash on pop, rhythmic and urban (and sometimes HAC) at the same time. But it hasn't happened much in the past few years (and when it has, it's often at different times on the formats), which is why we haven't had such big airplay peaks. If more people had tried having the same song on pop and urban in the past few years, we would've got more huge peaks, just like Blurred Lines is managing right now.
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No, the panels weren't weighted correctly. They were re-weighted around 07, I believe.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
Can you be any more original?
Yet I'm pretty sure most people around my age will know WBT and not so sure they will know BL. Esp', lets say, a year or 2 from now.
I know I can't really prove that, other than in my own country that is, but well, give it a year or two.
Just like Just Dance which I really love is pretty much forgotten while Poker Face is still out there in people's mind. It's the song itself that makes the difference most of the time, not the success.
[I'm talking about cases where both songs who are compared are successful, obviously if a song is flopping and another is successful this won't be the same lol]
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There are countries where WBT is not remembered because it wasn't a hit of such magnitude to begin with. It didn't even reach the top 10 in a few important markets such as France, Germany or Italy.
Meanwhile BL is slaying everywhere and it's still halfway through its slayage. Where are you from btw? The song's just massive where I live and it hasn't reached its full potential yet.
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How are Mariah numbers inflated?
Take a look at the songs around her year. I'm too lazy to dig up receipts from WBT thread on pulse.
It was a true multi format monster.
Mariah's record was truly impressive as in once in a life time.
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Originally posted by Pop pop123
Mariah is much more impressive due to fact that the panel was much smaller at her time.
The record holder at that time was Mario, he did not even hit 200 million and Mariah crushed and obliterated his record.
For BL record to be as impressive as WBT it has to reach over 300 million.
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What are you talking about? The Quick Cut panels of Mediabase back in early 2005 were MUCH larger that right now and the Rhythmic and Urban numbers very inflated that's why so many songs from 2004-7 are on the audience peak record list. I see everyone makes up their own facts. No one is saying that it was not an airplay smash but let's stick to facts please.
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Originally posted by Pop pop123
How are Mariah numbers inflated?
Take a look at the songs around her year. I'm too lazy to dig up receipts from WBT thread on pulse.
It was a true multi format monster.
Mariah's record was truly impressive as in once in a life time.
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It's not that they were inflated, it's that the panel itself for Urban & Dhymtic weren't correctly accounted for, in terms of their size.
Her numbers were inflated in those formats, as were a few other songs that reached that magnitude around that time.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
It wasn't that. It was just because back then it was common for songs to smash on pop, rhythmic and urban (and sometimes HAC) at the same time. But it hasn't happened much in the past few years (and when it has, it's often at different times on the formats), which is why we haven't had such big airplay peaks. If more people had tried having the same song on pop and urban in the past few years, we would've got more huge peaks, just like Blurred Lines is managing right now.
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Still. Rhythmic and Urban still being weighted bigger,although I can say it WASN'T thay big difference, since then it's like the amount of Rhythmic and Urban has decreased, goes to Pop, Top 40 pnel has increased pretty much these years
I remember, Rihanna's 2010 smash "What's My Name?" featuring Drake was slaying on both formats but it didn't get there
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Originally posted by Pop pop123
How are Mariah numbers inflated?
Take a look at the songs around her year. I'm too lazy to dig up receipts from WBT thread on pulse.
It was a true multi format monster.
Mariah's record was truly impressive as in once in a life time.
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Yeah look at the Rhythmic and Urban receipts...
"Blurred Lines" is the definite multi format monster.
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Originally posted by Ger-55
I hate you man, at least I was the only able to predict it very close
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Not even. 12 posts above your post that I bookmarked 3 weeks ago:
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Originally posted by highwind44029
Mirrors peaked at 208M with just a little urban support so BL will probably reach 240M at a minimum, which I think is enough to place him in the overall top 10 AI peaks.
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My prescience and foresight.
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Originally posted by Cz!
There are countries where WBT is not remembered because it wasn't a hit of such magnitude to begin with. It didn't even reach the top 10 in a few important markets such as France, Germany or Italy.
Meanwhile BL is slaying everywhere and it's still halfway through its slayage. Where are you from btw? The song's just massive where I live and it hasn't reached its full potential yet.
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I'm from Israel and the song is getting more than a fair amount of radio play and downloads.
It just didn't make any impact on my friends or people around me.
BL is not a bad song but it doesn't got that "IT" factor, at least for me.
I don't see people in 10 years listening to this song and laying back going like "Damn, what a masterpiece", while we are almost 10 years in on WBT and I for once, and not only me, doing it.
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Originally posted by Waffles_
I am going to wait for receipts from someone before I agree.
The all time chart doesn't really agree since ALL the rest of the top 10 songs of all time came from the mid 2000's. That doesn't support your theory that the panel is bigger overall now.
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Take a look at those songs, they are not strictly pop songs.
Most of them are multi format/cross over type songs.
The panel IS bigger Now, top 40 has way more AI and spins compared to 2005.
The dance craze doesn't help today artist at all.
Do you think a generic pop or dance song can cross over to urban?
If WBT were released today and smash as it did, it would have easily crossed the 300 million mark without batting an eye lash.
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
I'm from Israel and the song is getting more than a fair amount of radio play and downloads.
It just didn't make any impact on my friends or people around me.
BL is not a bad song but it doesn't got that "IT" factor, at least for me.
I don't see people in 10 years listening to this song and laying back going like "Damn, what a masterpiece", while we are almost 10 years in on WBT and I for once, and not only me, doing it.
Btw, I think the point of other people in this thread is that BL record is less impressive since few songs has reached a peak close to what he is at [even though he hasn't peaked] while WBT crushed anything close to it by miles which makes BL record, impressive as it is, less impressive than Mariah's since it seems what BL is doing is not that out of reach for other new songs if they are released by the right singer and has the right crossover apeal.
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This logic makes no sense. If anything BL's is more impressive because nobody has come close to it in years & years.
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This is how audiences were weighed across Pop/Rhythmic/Urban during WBT's time:
Pop - #1 song is at around 70M
Rhythmic - #1 song is at around 80M
Urban - #1 song is at around 70M
Total - 220M
compared to now:
Pop - #1 song is at around 110M
Rhythmic - #1 song is at around 40M
Urban - #1 song is at around 40M
Total - 190M
Panels back then are still bigger in comparison overall, and panels back then gave an innate advantage to R&B and hip-hop songs because of how skewed the audience were towards the two main radio formats that play those types of songs.
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Originally posted by highwind44029
This is how audiences were weighed across Pop/Rhythmic/Urban during WBT's time:
Pop - #1 song is at around 70M
Rhythmic - #1 song is at around 80M
Urban - #1 song is at around 70M
Total - 220M
compared to now:
Pop - #1 song is at around 110M
Rhythmic - #1 song is at around 40M
Urban - #1 song is at around 40M
Total - 190M
Panels back then are still bigger in comparison.
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Originally posted by jason_z89
What are you talking about? The Quick Cut panels of Mediabase back in early 2005 were MUCH larger that right now and the Rhythmic and Urban numbers very inflated that's why so many songs from 2004-7 are on the audience peak record list. I see everyone makes up their own facts. No one is saying that it was not an airplay smash but let's stick to facts please.
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Your "call out" , radio theory is a load of crap. I am sure a lot of people would agree with me.
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Originally posted by Ger-55
Still. Rhythmic and Urban still being weighted bigger,although I can say it WASN'T thay big difference, since then it's like the amount of Rhythmic and Urban has decreased, goes to Pop, Top 40 pnel has increased pretty much these years
I remember, Rihanna's 2010 smash "What's My Name?" featuring Drake was slaying on both formats but it didn't get there
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To be fair, What's My Name? still had a lot of extra AI it could've got, especially on pop, whilst Blurred Lines (and those songs from the mid-00s) were making almost full use of pop radio, more than What's My Name? did.
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Originally posted by Willy.
This logic makes no sense. If anything BL's is more impressive because nobody has come close to it in years & years.
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I edited my post, I'm not on top of the data when it comes to radio back in 2005.
But if you already went there than there were few songs peaking around the 200m mark the last year, it was bound to happen that someone will break that record so it makes every sense.
If any, Mariah record held for years which is more impressive while I'm pretty sure BL record will be broken in the next year or two unless something will happen to the panel.
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