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Celeb News: Sony bamboozles judge/Kesha not released
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by B'Day
Do you think that's what women do? Like we aren't vulnerable enough?
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Honestly yes ppl (men and women) will do and say whatever that will benefit them the most in the end, especially when there's million of dollars involved that's just the harsh truth
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Grumpy Gills
Honestly yes ppl (men and women) will do and say whatever that will benefit them the most in the end, especially when there's million of dollars involved that's just the harsh truth
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But there isn't millions of dollars involved. Not anymore anyway, but these are the facts.
Rumors began in 2012 about Luke. Kesha checked herself into rehab in the beginning of 2014, apparently as a result of his treatment. Now here we are in 2016, all this time no music has been released whatsoever. You're right people can exaggerate and that may certainly be possible with allegations that stem over 10 years back. But this trial today wasn't about any of those allegations, it was about whether Kesha should be forced to stay in her contract (which, if you knew about Kesha's career was extremely limiting and restricting considering she signed when she just turned 18 with a man whom she is making these allegations about. She shouldn't be and its disgusting to think otherwise. Sony has it completely in their power to relocate her either back to RCA Records or another under their parent label.
Okay, say Luke DIDN'T rape her. Even then, the abuse of power and towards Kesha must have been present. People do not check themselves into rehab for well over a month as part of some half-decade long scheme to get out of their contract. It just doesn't make sense financially, morally or logically. You know what she would have done if she wanted money? Released music. The report said it itself. Luke payed $60 million dollars into her career. For all her success, I don't think Kesha has produced THAT much profit for him or Sony. And you seriously don't think he would hold some serious anger over all that money lost? Please.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by KyIe
But there isn't millions of dollars involved. Not anymore anyway, but these are the facts.
Rumors began in 2012 about Luke. Kesha checked herself into rehab in the beginning of 2014, apparently as a result of his treatment. Now here we are in 2016, all this time no music has been released whatsoever. You're right people can exaggerate and that may certainly be possible with allegations that stem over 10 years back. But this trial today wasn't about any of those allegations, it was about whether Kesha should be forced to stay in her contract (which, if you knew about Kesha's career was extremely limiting and restricting considering she signed when she just turned 18 with a man whom she is making these allegations about. She shouldn't be and its disgusting to think otherwise. Sony has it completely in their power to relocate her either back to RCA Records or another under their parent label.
Okay, say Luke DIDN'T rape her. Even then, the abuse of power and towards Kesha must have been present. People do not check themselves into rehab for well over a month as part of some half-decade long scheme to get out of their contract. It just doesn't make sense financially, morally or logically. You know what she would have done if she wanted money? Released music. The report said it itself. Luke payed $60 million dollars into her career. For all her success, I don't think Kesha has produced THAT much profit for him or Sony. And you seriously don't think he would hold some serious anger over all that money lost? Please.
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Ok but my comment wasn't even really about this case, I said that yes people would absolutely say anything to get out of a contract if a precedence of no proof necessary is set especially when there's money involved.
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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I wish it was easy as me saying I have experience in music production and I want to help. I may not be a musical genius, or have any money. But I do have all the resources Luke has in his studio. If Kesha wants to create music, it should be how she wants it. What matters most in music is the impact the artist has on the listener. Not how much money is put into it, how often it's in radio rotation or how many views or has on YouTube. Someday, Kesha could have potential to impact the world more than people understand today.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by JustWilliam
What the **** are you on about?
You said that if Kesha was raped, she would've reported it sooner. Do you even know how rape affects people? Some people are in denial about it or even blame themselves. It destroys them and makes them feel ashamed, weak, and they find it incredibly hard to tell anyone.
You're one ****ing, evil ****...I hope you never get raped, but then again, if you did, at least you would know just how it ACTUALLY feels and what it does to you.
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If I was raped I would either
I would go straight to the popo and tell them what's up? Look weak and whatever right away and get that person locked up than wait for years and then still look weak and messy or
2 die with it
We can't be getting out of contracts based on heresy.
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
LOL So she WAS offered a new deal but she felt ENTITLED.
She could have been giving fans new music for the past two years but refrained cuz she was afraid of no label support.
It all came down to greed. Yes, I think I'm officially more on Luke's side than Kesha's. Ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
So what the **** else did Kesha want? Sony gave her opportunity to record without Dr Luke even when she's contractualyl obligated to do and she refused!? She's a dumbass and it seems to me like this was all about monetary gain.
And where are all these witnesses Kesha's team and mother kept talking about?
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Kemosabe, much like RCA and other labels are all under Sonys supervision. They can move her around and make sure she has no interaction with Dr Luke for the rest of her days. She would still be under the same contract though, which means she would get the same amount of Royalties as before. She just wanted more money and a better contract. Thats it
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Originally posted by Aiden
Mess, so she was more concerned about the commercial performance of her music rather than getting away from a producer that had allegedly caused her trauma?
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
The judge made a whole lot of sense. Let's not forget that Kesha is blaming SONY for Dr Luke allegal abuse while at the same time claiming she was so afraid of him that she NEVER spoke about it. So now you're suing them for not protecting you when you never told them **** and they're supposed to just let you out of your contract?
Exactly.
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Kinda agree
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by CroNich
Anyone who is saying 'well she deserved this because she made false allegations' doesnt understand the point of this case. It was purely to enable her to not have to work with Sony and Luke because the fact of the matter here is that there obviously isnt a healthy work relationship, especially now. But yet once again we are seeing how commercial and contractial obligations are more important that moral obligations and an individuals safety, i dont understand how u can not feel for her.
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This tbh. I find it sad that people would willingly say that she is greedy because she wanted to outright get out of the contract. Isn't that what she is? A business woman, but she's also an artist and if she feels that they are not aligning her where she wants to be, she should have the right to a different label. I know it doesn't work as freely and simple as that, but Sony should free her, or she should write and record ******** music until she's out.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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This is a really ****** situation. I feel for her, and I want her to get out of the contract and be happy. But this case sounds a little complicated and until she has does not have enough evidence of the rape and abuse the court won't be able to do anything
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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The complete ignorance about rape in here. "She should've just went to the police station the morning after" - well, yes, she would have been in a better position if she did, but that's not how a rape victims mind works. Especially under the "She's lying until she can prove she's telling the truth" mindset the courts normally work under. Rape justice is a massive problem, do some research.
Regardless of the sexual abuse allegations, it's disgusting that she's being forced to stay in this contract when it's clearly causing her a lot of emotional distress. Anyone with half a heart would realise this unhealthy relationship should not be forced to continue. That reason alone ruins Dr Lukes reputation to me.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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*alleged rape
People keep stating it in this thread like it's an actual fact it happened, were you there?
I used to love Kesha, but everything she does and says just contradicts common sense + I feel like guys always get portrayed as the guilty one in things like this, "she's a girl she can't be lying"
I hope she isn't but it just feels like this is all about money for her
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle
Kinda agree
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But thats not what they offered her, they said she could RECORD with other producers, all the music rights and desicions would still be made under Luke and I doubt Kesha wants to give him another cent!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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free queen now
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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Originally posted by Recluse
*alleged rape
People keep stating it in this thread like it's an actual fact it happened, were you there?
I used to love Kesha, but everything she does and says just contradicts common sense + I feel like guys always get portrayed as the guilty one in things like this, "she's a girl she can't be lying"
I hope she isn't but it just feels like this is all about money for her
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So you're telling me when you look at the photo of Kesha balling her eyes out in the courtroom you don't see how much pain she is holding onto and how much she is struggling, you don't get that from making up a few rumours and having it backfire in your face. The ignorance on here is absolutely disgusting and I think it boils down to people on here always wanting to be the opposition of the majority or against the opinion of 'the norm'. It would take less than 5 minutes of actually studying what has been happening the last few years to enlighten some of you. All of Luke's argument is 'She is lying because she wants more money and control', whereas Kesha has dealt with abuse on set (proved) an eating disorder and ****ing mental breakdowns because of where she was working.
Also the argument that Kesha wants more money is ridiculous and you would realise that if you actually knew a thing or two about her. She is not greedy, in fact she is one of the most generous pop stars there is. A lot of her time/money goes to saving animals, she doesn't own 17 mansions across America, or 32 sports cars. She is a low maintenance girl because of families humble beginnings. The only thing she wants is not to feel trapped and out of control of her career and her life and regardless of whether her accusations actually happened (which if you had half a heart you would believe they did, because rapes that happen a long time ago are hard to prove). There may not be much physical evidence that Kesha was abused to the extent she was but there is absolutely no evidence that she is making this up in order to get out her contract. You would think if this was all a well thought out plan someone would of come forward and told the media or the court. Im over the ****ing ignorance on here, its disgusting.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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If she was money hungry there'd be a fourth Kesha album out already
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Member Since: 8/18/2011
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This is creepy as fk...
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Whether he did rape her or not, why the **** can't they just let her go?
Why does he wanna work with someone so badly who clearly hates him and no offence, isn't even relevant anymore?
This is unbelievable.
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Member Since: 10/22/2011
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I hope she isn't but it just feels like this is all about money for her
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If she were after money she wouldn't be fighting for creative control & she most certainly wouldn't be burning most, if not all her bridges with such high profile people & companies.
How is this about money? #nologic
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Whether he did rape her or not, why the **** can't they just let her go?
Why does he wanna work with someone so badly who clearly hates him and no offence, isn't even relevant anymore?
This is unbelievable.
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That's what I'm saying!! They have no problem breaking deals and dropping people whenever they feel the artist is disposable for them. They don't hesitate to do that!! I don't get why don't just let her go to stop this is really bad press for them and Luke. They just look like they support rape and abuse(whether it happened or not) people will just see them as evil people for making her stay with him/them. You'd think they'd try to make themselves look better and Luke because this looks like torture. It's not good for Sony, not good for Luke and not good for Kesha. When was the last time Luke had a big hit on the radio? Seems like people have been staying away from him lately.
Well to the "not relevant" part she is not "hot" because she hasn't been able to release Music since 2012 maybe that's why... And it's because of THIS.
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