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TV Show: Pretty Little Liars | The Final Season
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She is the real 'A'
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So will they kill her off?
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Marlene (or someone else?) also said that Mona did everything to the girls before the season 2 finale except a couple things... Doubt that's true now.
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I still say Toby is a to protect the girls especially Spencer. Mona did everything but a few things last season, I say Toby was the one that saved Spencer from the bell tower cause no way Mona was able to do tbat
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i trust no one on this damn show anymore everyone is suspect
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Aria & Ezra are annoying & boring as hell
& How come Aria was never almost killed by A while the other girls were?
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Aside from the nonsensical stupidity of Mona being able to so easily break out of the mental hospital, this was, in my opinion, the best episode so far.
Oh, and somewhere else, Ezra is having his little bitch problems. Can we just kill him off or something? I literally groan in exasperation every time he's on screen. Either make him a bad guy or just get rid of him.
It's like:
Caleb gets shot.
Paige is gagged and bound.
Nate gets stabbed.
Toby is A.
And then Ezra eats cake with Maggie.
His storylines are such a waste of screen time. And his problems are so dumb. And he brings them all upon himself anyways.
Back to the episode. I loved how they tied up the True North thing. And I was shocked and speechless when they revealed Toby. I don't understand why people on tumblr are saying it makes no sense and it was stupid. If anything, Toby makes the MOST sense. He has every reason to hate Allison and these girls. And he has the date of Allison's death along with 'Free at last' tattooed on his waist. Did people forget that? He was playing these girls the whole time just like Mona was. I think it was a brilliant plot twist and I'm so glad they did it. It was really risky and they're going to lose some viewers (the Spoby shippers. I kid you not, there are people on tumblr that are saying they're done with this show because of this), but if anything, it makes me want to watch it even more. I'm so excited for season 3b.
Oh. And Caleb. My beautiful angel baby I'm glad he's okay. But still. I flipped out and nearly started crying when he got shot. But when I saw that he wasn't in a body bag, I calmed down. XD
Only thing, though. He had a wound on his front. Didn't Nate shoot him in the back? Or did he try to shoot Emily and just missed? Meh. Whatever. Not a big deal.
Caleb is perfect. That is all.
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My thoughts exactly. Making Toby the betrayer was genius and perfect and brave and the best thing they've done for this show since Maya's murder derailed the A mystery.
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OMG. I just realized that Maya's murder was pretty much completely unrelated to the A stuff.
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Originally posted by Razzle
But I thought Marlene said that Mona was the one who made all the texts to the girls?
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Yeah, but while Mona was locked up in Radley, someone else was texting them, no?
Like the, "Mona played with dolls. I play with body parts" text.
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Mona's Back! Pretty Little Liars Boss Promises Return of The Old "A"
Pretty Little Liars executive producer Marlene King warned us that the midseason finale would include a major shock, but that didn't keep our jaws from hitting the floor when we learned in the final seconds of the episode that Toby Cavanaugh (Keegan Allen) was the betrayer.
"I thought there was going to be a bigger backlash," King admits to TVGuide.com. "But even though people are upset about it, they seemed thrilled to be surprised. I got a lot of 'I hate you, but I love you' tweets."
Pretty Little Liars boss promises two "massive, mind-blowing twists" in the finale
Keep reading for more on the summer finale, including whether Toby is actually a bad guy, when Jenna will return, if Nate is really dead and how a new webisode series will factor into the show.
Did you always know Toby would be involved?
Marlene King: No. I did know Mona (Janel Parrish) would be, but not with Toby until early on when we decided to not kill him, as in the books. The theme we explore all the time on the show is "what appears to be isn't." So it was really fun to develop a character who really was the moral compass of the show. There were points at the end of Season 1 where we said that Toby is the only character in Rosewood who had never lied, and that was a truth to that point.
Did Toby ever really have feelings for Spencer (Troian Bellisario)?
King: That's the story we're going to tell [in the next part of the season] and you'll get a better sense of it.
What was the motivation behind their big sex scene?
King: It helped to keep the surprise, but also I feel that, for Spencer, it was the right time. Toby had been gone for several weeks and she was the one who wanted to wait. And for her character, not knowing he's on the A Team, it made sense for her to want to consummate the relationship. She thought she might've lost him forever until he showed back up in town.
Will we ever see the scene where Caleb (Tyler Blackburn) ends up shot play out?
King: Maybe. We're still talking about it.
Why didn't Emily console Paige (Lindsey Shaw) after the shooting?
King: Paige knows these girls are four best friends and the show is really about the friendship and their unconditional bond. So, Paige made the sacrifice in that moment. She saw Emily (Shay Mitchell) and Hanna (Ashley Benson) really needed each other, so her doing the body block and getting the police's attention was her way of saying, "I get it, I understand," And Spencer's look in subtext was, "We're so sorry."
So to clarify, Nate (Sterling Suliemon) was Maya's killer and he's dead.
King: He's definitely dead and yes he is definitely Maya's killer.
Regarding Ezra (Ian Harding) and Aria (Lucy Hale), how long before he finds out he has a child that Aria knows about?
King: Even though there wasn't resolution there, it opened up and fuels ourstory. What I thought to be interesting was that the "Ezria" shippers felt like, 'Oh no, Maggie is nice." They were expecting her to be a bi--- like Jackie, and here she shows up seemingly very nice with a secret of her own and asking Aria for help.
Jenna (Tammin Sursok) was absent this episode. Will she be back?
King: Not right away, but she's definitely still alive in our world.
And the newly freed Garret (Yani Gellman)?
King: He's back in action and a very important part of the Halloween episode.
Will time have passed before Halloween episode?
King: Enough time for certain injured people to have healed.
What can you say tease about the Halloween episode and the second half of the season?
King: I would say check out the webisodes. The next one is starring Jason (Drew Van Acker) and CeCe (Vanessa Ray). We know they have a history, but we've never seen them together on the show. All the webisodes are intriguing and insightful and we know it's a long break for our fans. So, we're hoping this gives them a little candy to eat until then.
Will the webisodes have clues viewers need in order to follow when the show returns?
King: They won't be lost in Season 3B if they don't watch, but I'm certain there are clues and there's texture and there are moments that are fueling storylines going into 3B. We're introducing a character [played by Aerial Miranda] in the webisodes that has a significant role in Season 3B.
What would you say is the theme of 3B?
King: It's that Mona is back. Now we see Mona has found a way to get in and out of Radley, the old "A" who we all miss will be very much back and present in the girls' lives.
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· 1x04 · Emily found her & Maya's photobooth photos in her textbook - Toby was her lab partner.
· 1x06 · The fortune teller at the dance basically predicted Spoby, "there's something wrong with this couple, it's a bad match, there's darkness in him, maybe even violence, or vengeance."
· 1x10 · Toby tells Emily, "I've got friends in all the wrong places, and misery loves company."
· 1x16 · Spencer agrees to tutor Toby in French, A gets a "Learn to Speak French" record.
· 1x19 · A is sitting in a rocking chair - Toby makes rocking chairs.
· 1x21 · Spencer was trapped in the funhouse when Toby was there.
· 1x22 · Toby promised Spencer he would be there for her if she needed him - this is the night A pushed Ian off the bell tower.
· 2x04 · All the capitalised T's in Ian's suicide note.
· 2x16 · A loosened the scaffolding, but Toby built the scaffolding, he would know exactly what to do.
· 2x23 · Mona tries to keep Toby away from Jenna by pretending she needs help buying a truck - no trouble for 2 people on the same Team.
· 3x02 · Garrett told Spencer that someone she knows well "has you completely fooled."
· 3x02 · Toby massages Spencer. A massaged Emily in 2x10.
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'Pretty Dirty Secrets' Episode Stills
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MsCherry you're amazing
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^MsCherry,I can't read the texts inside the quote in your post in full,the one with Toby pics. Can you repost it?
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^MsCherry,I can't read the texts inside the quote in your post in full,the one with Toby pics. Can you repost it?
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· 1x04 · Emily found her & Maya's photobooth photos in her textbook - Toby was her lab partner.
· 1x06 · The fortune teller at the dance basically predicted Spoby, "there's something wrong with this couple, it's a bad match, there's darkness in him, maybe even violence, or vengeance."
· 1x10 · Toby tells Emily, "I've got friends in all the wrong places, and misery loves company."
· 1x16 · Spencer agrees to tutor Toby in French, A gets a "Learn to Speak French" record.
· 1x19 · A is sitting in a rocking chair - Toby makes rocking chairs.
· 1x21 · Spencer was trapped in the funhouse when Toby was there.
· 1x22 · Toby promised Spencer he would be there for her if she needed him - this is the night A pushed Ian off the bell tower.
· 2x04 · All the capitalised T's in Ian's suicide note.
· 2x16 · A loosened the scaffolding, but Toby built the scaffolding, he would know exactly what to do.
· 2x23 · Mona tries to keep Toby away from Jenna by pretending she needs help buying a truck - no trouble for 2 people on the same Team.
· 3x02 · Garrett told Spencer that someone she knows well "has you completely fooled."
· 3x02 · Toby massages Spencer. A massaged Emily in 2x10.
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I'm glad they are holding us over with the webisodes until the Halloween ep.
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MsCherry you're amazing
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Originally posted by Razzle
^MsCherry,I can't read the texts inside the quote in your post in full,the one with Toby pics. Can you repost it?
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Done
Pretty Little Liars Post Mortem: Is Toby Really a Member of Team 'A'? Series Boss Reveals All!
Well, color us shocked. After watching last night’s Pretty Little Liars midseason finale — and seemingly learning the identity of another Team ‘A’ member — we immediately latched onto one theory: Toby has gone undercover as one of Rosewood’s Big Bads!
How else could you possibly explain Spencer’s doting beau and Emily’s longtime defender working in cahoots with MonA and a handful of hoodie-wearing troublemakers?
Unfortunately for the Liars — and all of you PLL devotees out there — that may not be the case at all.
Here, exec producer Oliver Goldstick tells TVLine exclusively why the current theory on ol’ Pretty Eyes is likely not the right one. Plus, find out what’s ahead in Season 3B of the ABC Family drama for Aria, Ezra, Hanna, Caleb, Emily and Paige and much more.
TVLINE | I’m calling Toby’s bluff. I think he’s infiltrating the ‘A’ Team as a way to help the girls.
I’m not so sure about that. You’re going to find out some stuff in Season 3B… Don’t forget what those girls did. No one stood up for him when he was put away in juvie hall because of Alison. Those other four girls were passive; no one defended him or did anything. Just remember that.
TVLINE | Interesting. I thought he was a double agent because when he left in the first half of Season 3, he said he was going to figure out what was going on regardless of what Spencer would or would not tell him.
That’s true, that’s true.
TVLINE | But your advice to fans would be to not jump to that conclusion?
Fans are going to learn more in 3B about Toby’s history and how he felt about being put away by Alison and her posse. The mystery of Toby, his motivation and why he’d do this to the girls is explored.
TVLINE | Why, then, would he come back and sleep with Spencer?
People punish people for many reasons and on many levels… Just don’t put it past him, OK? He’s Jenna’s stepbrother, too. People really mess with people in Rosewood. [Laughs]
TVLINE | So, if fans were to go back and re-watch the series thus far, they would pick up on Bad Toby teases?
I think they could, yeah. They could find moments that make them question and really doubt; moments that will make you say, “Oh my gosh, has this person been playing them all along?” — particularly Spencer, obviously.
TVLINE | Speaking of Jenna… Can we assume she is good-ish now?
Maybe this mythology will help: Jenna left town in Episode 11 [of this season] because she was really scared of Nate. He realized that the only person who saw him leaving that backyard was the blind girl, so he thought he had a pass. And when he finds out that Jenna had been able to see, that scares the s–t out of him. If Jenna had stayed in town, Nate may have gone after her… The idea was that he felt exposed. As far as Jenna goes, she had to leave town for her own safety. I’m not saying that’s the end of Jenna and you’ll never see her again, but she’s leaving for a bit.
TVLINE | The Maggie storyline was left way open in the finale. Is it safe to assume we’ll see Larisa Oleynik back next season?
You will definitely see her in 3B. She will serve as a true threat to [Aria and Ezra's] relationship.
TVLINE | Secrets always come out on Pretty Little Liars… So, how in the world can Ezra forgive Aria for helping keep his son away from him — when and if he finds out?
It’s explosive. It’s yet another huge obstacle for this couple. What we’re trying to tap into is that Aria’s out of her league here. This is something that most teenagers wouldn’t have to deal with — it’s a lot. It doesn’t mean it’s insurmountable, but it definitely is a game-changer.
TVLINE | Does that reveal come out pretty quickly in 3B?
No. The longer you hold on to secrets, the worse they get.
TVLINE | Why did Emily rush past Paige in the finale, when she, too, was a victim?
I wouldn’t read too much into that. It was a traumatic event… You know who is hurt now [Caleb], and [Hanna was] the person Emily wanted to comfort. Paige is fairly traumatized herself [in Season 3B]. And if you think her parents were strict before… She’s now going to be locked in a fort! [Laughs]
TVLINE | Who shot Caleb?
That will be answered, and will come out pretty quickly.
TVLINE | Are Caleb and Hanna now able to be out in the open with their relationship?
More so, yes. We will address [after the Halloween episode] some of the questions you’re asking about ‘Haleb,’ whether they’re under the radar or above the radar… Because ‘A’s been watching them all along, anyway.
TVLINE | What about evil-ish Toby and Spencer? Are they sticking together?
Oh, yes. And it’s kind of hair-raising because of how much they are letting him in and how intimate Spencer is with him… You know something the girls don’t.
TVLINE | Crucial question: How does Mona come in and out of the asylum so easily?!
She’s a crazy wench. [Laughs] The thing about Mona next season, which is so great, is that she’s as smart as Spencer. She just uses her intelligence for very devious purposes. She’s a really bright girl… She’s like a little squirrel; she stores up her acorns, but they’re radioactive acorns that turn into hand grenades… Mona may also be back in Rosewood sooner than you think, [as is revealed in] our Season 3B opener. She’s back to torture our girls in a whole new way.
TVLINE | Are you comfortable confirming that we now know two members of Team ‘A,’ Mona and Toby, and that there is a possible third member whose back was to the audience in the finale?
Yes.
TVLINE | Do you know who the third person is? Or is it something you’re still writing toward?
We’re writing to it, but we know who it is.
TVLINE | Someone we know?
Yes. You know this person, yes.
TVLINE | Let’s end on one of your signature vague-but-juicy teases for the coming season.
I think the enemy being amongst us is a lot scarier than the enemy within. Season 3B is about what happens when it’s standing right before you — in your face and under your roof.
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· 1x06 · The fortune teller at the dance basically predicted Spoby, "there's something wrong with this couple, it's a bad match, there's darkness in him, maybe even violence, or vengeance."
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Were Spencer and Toby already seeing each other?Wasn't she with Alex back then?
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Were Spencer and Toby already seeing each other?Wasn't she with Alex back then?
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true... the lady was probably talking bout Ezra...
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Were Spencer and Toby already seeing each other?Wasn't she with Alex back then?
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She was talking about Toby and Emily. They were at the dance together that night.
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The Halloween episode will slay
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I Want a Christmas Episode.
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Damn... I guess I'm gonna have to come to terms with the possibility that Toby really is evil
I hope his feelings for Spencer were real...
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For some reason I wasn't really into the last episode. The Toby reveal was sort of a shock for me. The episode where A was revealed had my blood pumping!
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