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TV Clip: Wendy: "Rihanna will never be a legend"
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Originally posted by Anvarie
Atrl think every pop girl is a legend/will be a legend that's not how it works. Let's see where she's at in 10 years first.
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Lol thats what yall were saying in 2005/6 when she was called a Beyonce Clone.
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Originally posted by Azealia Banks
in what world lol?
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rihannas been a style icon and an influence on our generation in that respect for sure. i dont think shes dictated anything in music though. and while i dont think beyonce does either. id argue....aesthetically i think rihanna takes more risks than bey. shes edgier. or at least was. beyonce stepped her game up with the self titled album. but that was only recently. before the self titled, i think beyonce was pretty vanilla. and in certain respects i think she still is, but theres so much excitement surrounding her its hard not to get swept up in it.
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And Wendy will never be Oprah (hell, even Ellen). She can keep her irrelevant show until all the housewives move to the next one and she fades to oblivion where rats like her belong.
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I don't even like Rihanna's music but she is definitely on set to becoming a legend sorry Wendy
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Rihanna has established herself as a major voice of this generation. Like it or not, regardless of whether she has the best voice or whether she's the most talented, she has proven that she has a hold on this generation's zeitgest in a way even bigger artists don't. Taylor Swift is popular now and so is Beyonce - Adele may sell more and have bigger hits - but Rihanna is always a presence and always makes it known and the GP is always here for her.
Like it or not, it's a bigger feat than creating a third-rate tabloid talk show.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
rihannas been a style icon and an influence on our generation in that respect for sure. i dont think shes dictated anything in music though. and while i dont think beyonce does either. id argue....aesthetically i think rihanna takes more risks than bey. shes edgier. or at least was. beyonce stepped her game up with the self titled album. but that was only recently. before the self titled, i think beyonce was pretty vanilla. and in certain respects i think she still is, but theres so much excitement surrounding her its hard not to get swept up in it.
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I was talking musically i should have put that clear lol
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Originally posted by Ryan Rivers
No I'm not kidding.
Rihanna does not have any kind of creativity. Most creative/musical people write their music. Look how many songwriters it takes for just ONE of her songs. She may have co writing credits, but her name is ALWAYS at the end (minus like, what, 2 songs?) meaning she had no lead role in how the song went. It just shows me and other people, that she needs to rely on other people to write her music, because she probably can't lead a song's lyric, vocal melody, creativity, originality, production, harmony.. If she was able to do that, she would have done it by now. Now it's not only about writing and producing. She is not a legend from her extreme lack of music contribution.
People like Whitney and Celine, who do not write their own music, are legends just based off of their vocal abilities.
Rihanna can sing, but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of vocalist who are better than her. Most people know that Rihanna isn't a great vocalist. She's not a legend based on her vocals.
There are performers who are either professional and/or trained dancers. Rihanna is neither. ANYONE can do simple cheoregraphy like she does. ANYONE. She is not a legend based on her lack of dancing abilities.
Fashion. Nothing has she worn was that 'wow factor'.. Her peers wear pretty much the same thing she does. So in actuality, she really hasn't brought anything new or game changing to the fashion world. If this was the case, everyone would be a legend. She is not a legend based on her fashion.
Music videos. Most MV that look extremely creative are done by the performers, true artists. True artists can direct, produce, write how there music videos will be. They come up with how they want it to look, what props she be used. And you know Rihanna isn't that person. She is not a legend based on her lack of visual creativity in music videos..
Look, I can go on and on about this. Legend status is a vibe, an energy, and aura that is so hard to be described, but does have a true meaning and definition at the same time. The GP knows who a legend is. People, especially social media/forums/twitter etc are so biased it's not even funny.
I'm a mega Rihanna fan. I have every cd, every edition. I saw her 5 times in concert, gonna be 6 soon. She was my teenage obsession like every teen has. Being unbiased has opened up my eyes to the world and not so narrow minded. I am not delusional because of it.
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Looking at your faves list, I get it a little, you're a fan of mostly pop music, and that's not wrong at all but as I told you, you should listen to classics from other genres or basically great/very good or at least good material of the sort to understand how unusual is to pull off what Rihanna has in her main genres, some person here said she's today's Paula Abdul, she couldn't maintain success for three albums.
I get how many people are involved in Rihanna's songs, but you're talking as if it was easy to do great songs if you have a ton of writers, take Britney Spears, man, she did struggle to get to her 8th album, even when she was the hottest pop star in the game, and we can all say that even though Britney is a talented superstar and still hot, she doesn't have as many worlwide smashes as Rihanna, critically acclaimed singles as her, just count them, even albums and I'm a fan of Britney. Beyoncé, uses a lot of writers, how many worldwide smashes does she have? Does she get close to Rihanna? I'm not trying to pit these girls against each other but as I said you're talking as if it was easy to have successful or great singles if you get a ton of writers... it's not.
Someone here is saying she gets success because of her looks, take Christina Aguilera, another pretty woman, also, couldn't maintain her big success past her third major (english) studio album ('Back to Basics'). Mandy Moore, couldn't get a hit after her third album. Jessica Simpson, last hit on 4th album, which didn't sell too well, oh, and to put things in perspective, she did the same thing Rihanna did with "SOS" with her last hit "Public Affair", sample an 80s song ("Holiday"), result, worldwide smash for Rihanna and Top 20 for Jessica (Are there any bells ringing?). Jewel, no major hit after 4th album. Hilary Duff, last Top 40 on 4th album. Ciara, major success over after 3rd album. Leona Lewis, lost worldwide success after her second album. Not trying to downplay the work of any of these girls, but some people here are implying getting success based on looks is easy if you're label backed, all of these girls are/were but they didn't have the lasting success Rihanna is having. I could go further but just do your research, there are legends with few successful albums, but the ones that can comeback, can crossover with different styles do have something extra, can you seriously tell me "Umbrella", "Rude Boy" and "We Found Love" have the same songwriting formula? What is it that songwriting with her can go so well with different genres?
About singing, Rihanna's timbre is unique, plain and simple and on top of that her emoting capabilities go beyond the usual good singer and that's not all, the styles she can pull off, that's pretty neat, as the singing from "Say It" is so different from "Diamonds" and then "Desperado". As a fan, you should already know. Of course, she's not the best technical singer, Bob Dylan wasn't, but his timbre was different and you know how good he is at singing, Johnny Cash had a limited range but he could kill it singing a song. Madonna, good upper range but also not pretty technical. Even when she's not very technical, she has improved her singing compared to the beginning. Singing a song is not only about singing impeccably, but transmitting emotion, connect with the audience. Why do you think some people at singing competitions don't make it? They're too busy making vocal runs than actually singing the actual song. Rihanna has that thing that elevates a song that the average good singer doesn't have.
Fashion, not only does she pull of a lot of styles but her looks. From 'Music from the Sun' to 'ANTI', how many hairstyles and looks has she pulled off.
Music videos, do I need to specify? For instance, before Lady Gaga (whom I'm a fan) came along there was "Disturbia", and then the influence to their peers, "We Found Love" to Taylor's "I Knew You Were Trouble.", "Only Girl (In The World)" to Selena Gomez's "Come and Get It". The "Bitch Better Have My Money" video as with her best videos, puts her on another level, like Lady Gaga's peak in visuals.
I'm not saying she's perfect, but demonstrated greatness in different areas of her career on various ocassions and also improvement in areas she wasn't that good in. Her sudden step into more dedicated choreography with "Where Have You Been". She's not Janet Jackson, or early Britney Spears but as I said before, she's at a relatively early point of her career and has room to improve further, this having already demonstrated she's not just average. Have you seen that UK X-Factor "Diamonds" performance?
I could also elaborate more, but I think as I said before, I think she doesn't need that kind of scrutiny since she can do much more, while she has outlasted some people, there are also artists with much longer careers.
Legend? Of course she could widely be recognized like that.
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no lies. RIhanna will never be a legend.
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Member Since: 5/22/2012
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Originally posted by Ryan Rivers
No I'm not kidding.
Rihanna does not have any kind of creativity. Most creative/musical people write their music. Look how many songwriters it takes for just ONE of her songs. She may have co writing credits, but her name is ALWAYS at the end (minus like, what, 2 songs?) meaning she had no lead role in how the song went. It just shows me and other people, that she needs to rely on other people to write her music, because she probably can't lead a song's lyric, vocal melody, creativity, originality, production, harmony.. If she was able to do that, she would have done it by now. Now it's not only about writing and producing. She is not a legend from her extreme lack of music contribution.
People like Whitney and Celine, who do not write their own music, are legends just based off of their vocal abilities.
Rihanna can sing, but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of vocalist who are better than her. Most people know that Rihanna isn't a great vocalist. She's not a legend based on her vocals.
There are performers who are either professional and/or trained dancers. Rihanna is neither. ANYONE can do simple cheoregraphy like she does. ANYONE. She is not a legend based on her lack of dancing abilities.
Fashion. Nothing has she worn was that 'wow factor'.. Her peers wear pretty much the same thing she does. So in actuality, she really hasn't brought anything new or game changing to the fashion world. If this was the case, everyone would be a legend. She is not a legend based on her fashion.
Music videos. Most MV that look extremely creative are done by the performers, true artists. True artists can direct, produce, write how there music videos will be. They come up with how they want it to look, what props she be used. And you know Rihanna isn't that person. She is not a legend based on her lack of visual creativity in music videos..
Look, I can go on and on about this. Legend status is a vibe, an energy, and aura that is so hard to be described, but does have a true meaning and definition at the same time. The GP knows who a legend is. People, especially social media/forums/twitter etc are so biased it's not even funny.
I'm a mega Rihanna fan. I have every cd, every edition. I saw her 5 times in concert, gonna be 6 soon. She was my teenage obsession like every teen has. Being unbiased has opened up my eyes to the world and not so narrow minded. I am not delusional because of it.
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This is ALL SO TRUE.
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They used to say the same about Madonna....now look at her
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Wendy is noting but a beyhive and is pissed Rihanna is more a legend though i think they are both scale
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Originally posted by Ryan Rivers
No I'm not kidding.
Rihanna does not have any kind of creativity. Most creative/musical people write their music. Look how many songwriters it takes for just ONE of her songs. She may have co writing credits, but her name is ALWAYS at the end (minus like, what, 2 songs?) meaning she had no lead role in how the song went. It just shows me and other people, that she needs to rely on other people to write her music, because she probably can't lead a song's lyric, vocal melody, creativity, originality, production, harmony.. If she was able to do that, she would have done it by now. Now it's not only about writing and producing. She is not a legend from her extreme lack of music contribution.
People like Whitney and Celine, who do not write their own music, are legends just based off of their vocal abilities.
Rihanna can sing, but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of vocalist who are better than her. Most people know that Rihanna isn't a great vocalist. She's not a legend based on her vocals.
There are performers who are either professional and/or trained dancers. Rihanna is neither. ANYONE can do simple cheoregraphy like she does. ANYONE. She is not a legend based on her lack of dancing abilities.
Fashion. Nothing has she worn was that 'wow factor'.. Her peers wear pretty much the same thing she does. So in actuality, she really hasn't brought anything new or game changing to the fashion world. If this was the case, everyone would be a legend. She is not a legend based on her fashion.
Music videos. Most MV that look extremely creative are done by the performers, true artists. True artists can direct, produce, write how there music videos will be. They come up with how they want it to look, what props she be used. And you know Rihanna isn't that person. She is not a legend based on her lack of visual creativity in music videos..
Look, I can go on and on about this. Legend status is a vibe, an energy, and aura that is so hard to be described, but does have a true meaning and definition at the same time. The GP knows who a legend is. People, especially social media/forums/twitter etc are so biased it's not even funny.
I'm a mega Rihanna fan. I have every cd, every edition. I saw her 5 times in concert, gonna be 6 soon. She was my teenage obsession like every teen has. Being unbiased has opened up my eyes to the world and not so narrow minded. I am not delusional because of it.
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Say what you will about Rihanna's music and video output, fine, but style wise she most certainly has outshined the majority of her peers. Fashion wise shes been on her own level for the past 6-7 years or so and is the only one of her peers to actually dictate what people wear and how they look. As far as style goes people within our generation have been looking to rihanna for a long time now and her involvement and attention given within the fashion world itself completely debunks your bias theory. You're delusional to imply otherwise.
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She is literally the most global force in music maybe only after Adele and Bieber.
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I hate Wendy but she always has me screaming
Rihanna's name will be in all of our music history books when she beats the Beatles record within the next 10 years.
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Originally posted by M A R N ★
Wendy is noting but a beyhive and is pissed Rihanna is more a legend though i think they are both scale
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There's so many things wrong with this
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Originally posted by popmagic
She is literally the most global force in music maybe only after Adele and Bieber.
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Then what's up with her album sales? Why is her tour struggling?
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Originally posted by Ryan Rivers
No I'm not kidding.
Rihanna does not have any kind of creativity. Most creative/musical people write their music. Look how many songwriters it takes for just ONE of her songs. She may have co writing credits, but her name is ALWAYS at the end (minus like, what, 2 songs?) meaning she had no lead role in how the song went. It just shows me and other people, that she needs to rely on other people to write her music, because she probably can't lead a song's lyric, vocal melody, creativity, originality, production, harmony.. If she was able to do that, she would have done it by now. Now it's not only about writing and producing. She is not a legend from her extreme lack of music contribution.
People like Whitney and Celine, who do not write their own music, are legends just based off of their vocal abilities.
Rihanna can sing, but there are thousands and thousands and thousands of vocalist who are better than her. Most people know that Rihanna isn't a great vocalist. She's not a legend based on her vocals.
There are performers who are either professional and/or trained dancers. Rihanna is neither. ANYONE can do simple cheoregraphy like she does. ANYONE. She is not a legend based on her lack of dancing abilities.
Fashion. Nothing has she worn was that 'wow factor'.. Her peers wear pretty much the same thing she does. So in actuality, she really hasn't brought anything new or game changing to the fashion world. If this was the case, everyone would be a legend. She is not a legend based on her fashion.
Music videos. Most MV that look extremely creative are done by the performers, true artists. True artists can direct, produce, write how there music videos will be. They come up with how they want it to look, what props she be used. And you know Rihanna isn't that person. She is not a legend based on her lack of visual creativity in music videos..
Look, I can go on and on about this. Legend status is a vibe, an energy, and aura that is so hard to be described, but does have a true meaning and definition at the same time. The GP knows who a legend is. People, especially social media/forums/twitter etc are so biased it's not even funny.
I'm a mega Rihanna fan. I have every cd, every edition. I saw her 5 times in concert, gonna be 6 soon. She was my teenage obsession like every teen has. Being unbiased has opened up my eyes to the world and not so narrow minded. I am not delusional because of it.
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yall better sip this scalding hot tea.
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Member Since: 1/26/2012
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Originally posted by M A R N ★
Wendy is noting but a beyhive and is pissed Rihanna is more a legend though i think they are both scale
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Wendy stays "trying" to drag Beyonce, she's definitely a Beyonce Hater.
..and the rest of your post made no sense.
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Lol, Wendy gworl, I love you, but you're deadass wrong on this
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