[kyogul]

Originally posted by SupremeGoddess

Yes, if no then why do scholarships for international students exist?
some of yall are so stupid i cant

international student =/= undocumented immigrant. You can get permits in various countries to go to school in a foreign country as a student abroad/exchange student.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by Artemisia

Right? lol. look the other way when exploiting undocumented immigrants, but when they want to access the system "OMG BREAKING THE LAWWWWWW !!!!!!!!11"

Illegal aliens choose to exploit themselves.

[downbywednesday]

Originally posted by SupremeGoddess

But there have been cases of students only getting the visa after being acepted in the University they choose, with some only even getting it after ending their course.

Visas in america can take years, if they are given.

They can take years, but they can also take a matter of weeks or a couple months.

[kyogul]

The naturalisation process should be reconstructed for more efficiency, but mass amounts of illegal immigration is bad no matter how you look at it. That's a sign that a country is under such duress that they can't even control their borders. And for a Big Brother country like the US, that's a big implication of its decline in power and control.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA

I think their cheap labor has been very useful to the US for a good amount of years.

It actually hurts the economy and drags down the wages of everyone in the industry. So no it hasn't been useful at all.

[downbywednesday]

Originally posted by kyogul

The naturalisation process should be reconstructed for more efficiency, but mass amounts of illegal immigration is bad no matter how you look at it. That's a sign that a country is under such duress that they can't even control their borders. And for a Big Brother country like the US, that's a big implication of its decline in power and control.

Hit the nail on the head. Immigration needs reform, but all immigrants should follow the law in the mean time. My family did.

[kyogul]

Also illegal immigration costs the US around 40 billion a year. Does that cheap labour cover for that? I don't think so, especially when these illegal aliens aren't paying taxes none of the money they're making goes back into the economy

[BabyCantYouSee]

Yes. Everyone deserves the right to educate themselves.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by kyogul

The naturalisation process should be reconstructed for more efficiency, but mass amounts of illegal immigration is bad no matter how you look at it. That's a sign that a country is under such duress that they can't even control their borders. And for a Big Brother country like the US, that's a big implication of its decline in power and control.

The notion that the US immigration system is "broken" in my opinion is a bit of a fallacy. The US lets in 1 million+ immigrants a year. That's more than any other country. It takes so long for someone to be a citizen b/c SO MANY people want to live in the US. If everyone who applied became a citizen in less than a year, we'd be accepting like 5 million a year and that is unsustainable and hurts our economy.

Plus, poor immigrants will never get priority for a reason, b/c they can't support themselves and will be a burden to welfare system.

[downbywednesday]

Originally posted by kyogul

Also illegal immigration costs the US around 40 billion a year, already adding to the trillion dollar debt it has. Does that cheap labour cover for that?

Can I see a source for this? I would like to see the breakdown of the costs.

[LoKoPaNdA]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

It actually hurts the economy and drags down the wages of everyone in the industry. So no it hasn't been useful at all.

For some people it has, especially those exploiting them. For the consumer of the goods and services they produce it has been beneficial as well.

Speaking of which I don't think people would choose to exploit themselves, that is illogical. Some come from having nothing in their home countries and working for whatever is all they can afford. Have you read The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck?

[Callisto.]

Reading this thread is interesting.

It's crazy how we'd created a system where certain humans can't even live in certain areas of the Earth because of imaginary boarders.

Its kind of crazy.

[kyogul]

Originally posted by downbywednesday

Can I see a source for this? I would like to see the breakdown of the costs.

there's a flurry of sources online if you search. the amounts vary, but I think 40 is a bare minimum

[downbywednesday]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

The notion that the US immigration system is "broken" in my opinion is a bit of a fallacy. The US lets in 1 million+ immigrants a year. That's more than any other country. It takes so long for someone to be a citizen b/c SO MANY people want to live in the US. If everyone who applied became a citizen in less than a year, we'd be accepting like 5 million a year and that is unsustainable and hurts our economy.

Plus, poor immigrants will never get priority for a reason, b/c they can't support themselves and will be a burden to welfare system.

I say it's broken because it costs so much. My family has paid thousands for visas and permanent residences. It would cost us thousands more for a sit-in test that we would easily pass. It should be based on merit, not if someone can use approximately three years of an education on citizenship.

[Zoraluv]

Here's some truth on a lot of BS I'm seeing, esp the whole 'they don't pay taxes'
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news...gration-myths/

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA

For some people it has, especially those exploiting them. For the consumer of the goods and services they produce it has been beneficial as well.

Speaking of which I don't think people would choose to exploit themselves, that is illogical. Some come from having nothing in their home countries and working for whatever is all they can afford. Have you read The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck?

Again, they choose to exploit themselves. No one is forcing them to do anything.

Some people may benefit from lower labor cost (business owners) but everyone else doesn't. The price of a good may be lower but so is your disposable income due to suppressed wages.

[EthaneFenty]

Originally posted by princedonte

Yes they should its a good thing for them to be educated and being able to get jobs where they can support themselves.

Immigrants can't work legally so it would be pointless unless they also gave them work permits

[Badger]

Originally posted by Callisto.

Reading this thread is interesting.

It's crazy how we'd created a system where certain humans can't even live in certain areas of the Earth because of imaginary boarders.

Its kind of crazy.

It's sad in some respects but it's the nature of the world we live in now. We'd have to completely erase nation states and start over again to make things more equal.

[kyogul]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

The notion that the US immigration system is "broken" in my opinion is a bit of a fallacy. The US lets in 1 million+ immigrants a year. That's more than any other country. It takes so long for someone to be a citizen b/c SO MANY people want to live in the US. If everyone who applied became a citizen in less than a year, we'd be accepting like 5 million a year and that is unsustainable and hurts our economy.

Plus, poor immigrants will never get priority for a reason, b/c they can't support themselves and will be a burden to welfare system.

I wouldn't say it's "broken", but rather unstable. I'm aware of the long queue for US citizenship. But the border patrols--most specifically the Mexican ones-- are not something that can be overlooked. An overwhelming amount of immigrants isn't ideal, but at least they'll be citizens and pay taxes. It's more detrimental for the US to be allowing illegal immigrants in since they can make money and not pay taxes, which is hurting the economy since they're taking and not giving.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by downbywednesday

I say it's broken because it costs so much. My family has paid thousands for visas and permanent residences. It would cost us thousands more for a sit-in test that we would easily pass. It should be based on merit, not if someone can use approximately three years of an education on citizenship.

Yes, I agree it is too expensive. However there has to be some set cost to show that you won't be a burden on the people already there.