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Discussion: Gaga exceeds estimates + goes #1, why the downplay?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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To me,it wouldn't matter if Tony and Gaga flopped or not. This album is just another piece of evidence for Gaga's superior talent and ability,something that most of the cumdumpsters that people stan for on here will never achieve.
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Originally posted by swissman
If you look at the #1 Jazz debuts of the year, the biggest star to have a #1 is Michael Bublé with 195,000 copies sold. Gaga is a much bigger star than he is, and I'd say he is just slightly bigger than Tony in the Jazz world. The rest of the #1s were from no household name other than Harry Connick Jr. who is not a huge star outside that community, though is well known. |
Michael Bublé has pure pop/Hot AC singles like It's A Beautiful Day, Haven't Met You Yet, Everything, Lost, etc that are selling his albums. Not comparable to C2C or most jazz albums
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Originally posted by tittieslap
To me,it wouldn't matter if Tony and Gaga flopped or not. This album is just another piece of evidence for Gaga's superior talent and ability,something that most of the cumdumpsters that people stan for on here will never achieve.
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I agree it's much better as an artistic statement than as a silly receipt to brag about. People on ATRL do not seem to understand the importance of quality and artistic abilities over charts. I think it's an amazing testament for Gaga to go from pop to jazz without caring about what people think.
That being said I think this album could have been so much better. It's really no fault of Gaga's or Tony's though, unless they had a helping hand in the arrangements. It's just that the songs really provide no sense of newness to these already overdone classics. A cover should always add something new, but instead most of these are standard jazz arrangements which go nowhere musically.
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The Monster's back to their old ways. 
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Originally posted by swissman
If you look at the #1 Jazz debuts of the year, the biggest star to have a #1 is Michael Bublé with 195,000 copies sold. Gaga is a much bigger star than he is, and I'd say he is just slightly bigger than Tony in the Jazz world. The rest of the #1s were from no household name other than Harry Connick Jr. who is not a huge star outside that community, though is well known. |
Right. They're just delusional and have lowered standards now that Gaga is no longer a huge selling pop force. Let them have this.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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To Be Loved was released in early 2013 and sold 195k in that year.
In 2014, C2C is the biggest jazz album, and without pop singles like Michael Buble.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by slobro
Michael Bublé has pure pop/Hot AC singles like It's A Beautiful Day, Haven't Met You Yet, Everything, Lost, etc that are selling his albums. Not comparable to C2C or most jazz albums
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This further proves my point though. The jazz charts do not consist of any big name artists releasing jazz material. Thus when 2 big artists do, the fact that they increase it's sales by 10% isn't such a huge shock.
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Originally posted by swissman
Are you saying that opening with one of the lowest #1 sales of the year is impressive? This isn't about insecurity, as much as you'd like that to be the case. This is just fact based. I think this is great for Gaga, I'm glad for her success I just don't think that it should be hyped that much considering the reality of it.
The Billboard 200 is what we are discussing and it gives no significance to genre or style, so why should I? I was discussing chart position and sales which is black-and-white. What does context have to do with it aside from it being a way to excuse the sales of the record?
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Because BB just reports a number, you (all of us) are judging the album's success and for that you do need context.
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
The album pulled great numbers. The only irritating thing is Little Monsters acting like Gaga pulled those numbers when Tony pulled more numbers last album which clearly indicates he didn't need Gaga's help and in no way did Gaga fuel those sales.
Giving Gaga the credit is idiotic, but I guess because Gaga's name is on it, LM will run around claiming it to be HER success.
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Every fanbase does that with their fave.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Apparently Tony debuts high so I feel like it has little to do with Gaga but thats good that she gets to add another #1 to her list.
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YAS silence the doubters 
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Originally posted by Retro
You keep going on about the "low number" but you are giving literally no significance to the genre or style. You are giving no context to this number. You are only calling it low relative to other debuts of albums in literally every genre and context possible.
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Originally posted by swissman
If you look at the #1 Jazz debuts of the year, the biggest star to have a #1 is Michael Bublé with 195,000 copies sold. Gaga is a much bigger star than he is, and I'd say he is just slightly bigger than Tony in the Jazz world. The rest of the #1s were from no household name other than Harry Connick Jr. who is not a huge star outside that community, though is well known. |
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Lol. The floppage of ARTPOP has made the monsters have low standards.
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Low standards for a jazz album, who would've thought 
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Queen of exceeding the estimates 
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Originally posted by Fantasea
Low standards for a jazz album, who would've thought |
Low standards for a pop star with a following + a veteran/legend with goodwill who had a #1 album a few years ago. Yeah, who would've thought. 
Like I said, low standards are what monsters are living off these days.
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Let's see where the album is in a month's time. It helps that she recorded with an established singing legend, one who's scored multiple top 10 albums. And, plus, if Bit******* reported its numbers to SoundScan, Thom Yorke would have run away with the #1 spot this week.
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It's a very amazing achievement for her, but it doesn't necessarily need fifty threads and days of discussion. It happened. Is that not enough? It's well deserved, though.
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Probably for the same reason they downplay her $400,000,000+ tour gross, 200 awards won, and 150,000,000 records sold. 
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Originally posted by Graduation
Let's see where the album is in a month's time. It helps that she recorded with an established singing legend, one who's scored multiple top 10 albums. And, plus, if Bit******* reported its numbers to SoundScan, Thom Yorke would have run away with the #1 spot this week.
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No, it wouldn't have.  Those numbers were worldwide, not for the US only.
Like, you're doing nothing but proving OP's point. There's always something to discredit Gaga.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Low standards for a pop star with a following + a veteran/legend with goodwill who had a #1 album a few years ago. Yeah, who would've thought.
Like I said, low standards are what monsters are living off these days. |
Nn at people having to completely remove context in order to come for this album. The whole "popstar with a following" thing is completely irrelevant since 15 year olds are not going to buy a jazz album and Tony's last album only sold 50k more despite having 17x as many collaborators.
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
The album pulled great numbers. The only irritating thing is Little Monsters acting like Gaga pulled those numbers when Tony pulled more numbers last album which clearly indicates he didn't need Gaga's help and in no way did Gaga fuel those sales.
Giving Gaga the credit is idiotic, but I guess because Gaga's name is on it, LM will run around claiming it to be HER success.
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No, he needed 17x as many collaborators to pull in only 50k more.
Like, this isn't a Tony Bennett featuring Lady Gaga album. This is a Tony Bennett AND Lady Gaga album. 
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Probably for the same reason they downplay her $400,000,000+ tour gross, 200 awards won, and 150,000,000 records sold.
No, it wouldn't have. Those numbers were worldwide, not for the US only.
Like, you're doing nothing but proving OP's point. There's always something to discredit Gaga.
Nn at people having to completely remove context in order to come for this album. The whole "popstar with a following" thing is completely irrelevant since 15 year olds are not going to buy a jazz album and Tony's last album only sold 50k more despite having 17x as many collaborators.
No, he needed 17x as many collaborators to pull in only 50k more.
Like, this isn't a Tony Bennett featuring Lady Gaga album. This is a Tony Bennett AND Lady Gaga album. |
Bang Up clocking as usual, love it
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Also, the only people downplaying this are pressed stans. The album's being mentioned all across various TV news shows, like The View, where the album's #1 debut and Tony being the oldest person to go #1 are being mentioned.
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