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Discussion: Thoughts on the death penalty?
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Lol heaven forbid a person have to suffer for killing another person!  |
agreed. just because i'm anti-capital punishment doesnt mean i think a person shouldnt suffer/be punished for their crimes. that's a big point that needs to be made, i think.
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by MM3
Except that's exactly what they did to the people they killed. Those people on the flight didn't choose to die. Their lives were taken.
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The many innocent people who have been executed through the death penalty didn't choose to die either. 143 people have been exonerated from death row since 1973. Now imagine the number of innocent people who did not get exonerated and have been wrongfully killed, such as Cameron Todd Willingham, such as Johnny Garrett, such as Chipita Rodriguez, such as Jesse Tafero, such as Carlos DeLuna, such as Thomas and Meeks Griffin, such as Ellis Wayne Falker, such as Leo Jones, such as David Spence, such as Lionel Herrera, such as Joseph O'Dell, etc etc etc.
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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Originally posted by Great Username
The many innocent people who have been executed through the death penalty didn't choose to die either. 143 people have been exonerated from death row since 1973. Now imagine the number of innocent people who did not get exonerated and have been wrongfully killed, such as Cameron Todd Willingham, such as Johnny Garrett, such as Chipita Rodriguez, such as Jesse Tafero, such as Carlos DeLuna, such as Thomas and Meeks Griffin, such as Ellis Wayne Falker, such as Leo Jones, such as David Spence, such as Lionel Herrera, such as Joseph O'Dell, etc etc etc.
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And that's the justice system's fault! NOT the people that are pro-death penalty under the right circumstances.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Lol heaven forbid a person have to suffer for killing another person! |
I think what that person meant was a lot of people (not particularly in this thread) complain that the death penalty is inhumane. Then, in the same breath, they talk about their preference for letting the person rot in jail forever.
"No! Don't kill them! That's not fair! Very inhumane! Criminals are still people!!111"
"I want them to rot in jail though! ROT FOREVER!!! Suffer!!111"
I'm exaggerating a bit, of course but I can see why someone would find hypocrisy in that.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
I'm sure the same people running with the whole killing is killing/no one has the right to take another person's life ARE the same ones who'll go down a double bacon burger with the quickness.
Humans are the only living creatures 100%, undoubtedly aware and conscious. We're capable of logic and reasoning, and live by ethics. So, if all animals (minus small invertebrates) experience pain and fear, what makes it "okay" for us to inflict these things on another sentient being? Especially considering we're not carnivores or omnivores by nature, meat in general has little nutritional value, and we don't need it to survive?
I'm sure the same people in here arguing against the death penalty enjoy their McMuffins and Chipotle though...
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Girl... 
Plants are living creatures too, what in the hell are we supposed to eat?
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
And that's the justice system's fault! NOT the people that are pro-death penalty under the right circumstances.
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lollllll, exactly. so people who support the death penalty are supporting a faulty system. there's no way the death penalty can ever be fool proof, regardless of whether you think its right or wrong.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Great Username
Donald McMartin is a California jurist, that doesn't mean he is only talking about California. And use your brain, if it's 10 times more expensive to execute someone in one state how on earth could it be CHEAPER to execute someone in another state of the same country? What you've "always read" is irrelevant and incorrect, unless you can find some credible sources that state it is cheaper to go through the execution process than to imprison someone.
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How about you use your brain and get out of your feelings 
Maryland's government is much, much better than Mississippi's.
New Jersey's government is much, much better than Alabama's.
Hawaii's government is much, much better than Arkansas'.
The US isn't France or the UK. The US is made up of a bunch of states. Texas alone is larger than every country in Europe. It is not a stretch of the imagination to say that what happens in state x is completely different than what happens in state y.
And like I said, in California, it costs 50k per year to house a criminal. It costs 2.5M for CP. That 50k only increases based on specifics.
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
We're capable of logic and reasoning, and live by ethics.
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You're living proof to the contrary.
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
lollllll, exactly. so people who support the death penalty are supporting a faulty system. there's no way the death penalty can ever be fool proof, regardless of whether you think its right or wrong.
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F*cking DEATH. 
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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I don't remember which country but a guy received death penalty and two months after he died, they found out he was actually innocent. I mean.... Lord.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Girl...
Plants are living creatures too, what in the hell are we supposed to eat? |
Plants don't feel pain, fear, any emotions in general. And have no consciousness.
That's the difference.
Thought that would go without saying.
This debate is about how "wrong" it is to kill another living, breathing person even though they might've committed a heinous crime like shooting up 5 year olds. I want to know the stance of those people arguing how inhumane it is to take a life on this too.
Surely, they're not mutually exclusive.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Great Username
F*cking DEATH
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yes?
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
yes?
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I was agreeing with you and laughing at the absurdity of the post you quoted.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by Great Username
The many innocent people who have been executed through the death penalty didn't choose to die either. 143 people have been exonerated from death row since 1973. Now imagine the number of innocent people who did not get exonerated and have been wrongfully killed, such as Cameron Todd Willingham, such as Johnny Garrett, such as Chipita Rodriguez, such as Jesse Tafero, such as Carlos DeLuna, such as Thomas and Meeks Griffin, such as Ellis Wayne Falker, such as Leo Jones, such as David Spence, such as Lionel Herrera, such as Joseph O'Dell, etc etc etc.
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That's absolutely terrible and that's why I can still see both sides of the argument. It's certainly a complex issue. The system has failed many people and, while, it's disgusting that some innocent people have been/are held at fault, I agree with this statement:
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
And that's the justice system's fault! NOT the people that are pro-death penalty under the right circumstances.
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...there are still many people who I feel deserve the death penalty. I think that if a person performed a horrific act (I'm talking terroristic acts, mass shootings, serial killings, etc.) and they are proven 100% beyond reasonable doubt to be the guilty party, the death penalty should at least be considered.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Great Username
You're living proof to the contrary.
F*cking DEATH. |
woo lord.
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
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Just kill them
Seriously they put dogs down for biting people, but they don't put killers down for murdering people?
Dogs are cuter as well
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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Originally posted by SUNSET BLVD
lollllll, exactly. so people who support the death penalty are supporting a faulty system. there's no way the death penalty can ever be fool proof, regardless of whether you think its right or wrong.
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I can't even take you seriously with the "lollllll" and ****.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Great Username
I was agreeing with you and laughing at the absurdity of the post you quoted.
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oh, okay, i thought you were trying to drag me! 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
I can't even take you seriously with the "lollllll" and ****.
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no, you can't take me seriously because you were dragged.
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so people who support the death penalty are supporting a faulty system. there's no way the death penalty can ever be fool proof, regardless of whether you think its right or wrong.
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how about now? is that better? can you take that seriously?
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
This debate is about how "wrong" it is to kill another living, breathing person even though they might've committed a heinous crime like shooting up 5 year olds.[/FONT] |
No it isn't, and it's telling that you this debate so simplistically. It is also about the chance of killing innocent people, about whether or not the death penalty acts as a deterrent, about the cost, about the racist and arbitrary nature of the death penalty, etc etc etc.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
Plants don't feel pain, fear, any emotions in general. And have no consciousness.
That's the difference.
Thought that would go without saying.
This debate is about how "wrong" it is to kill another living, breathing person even though they might've committed a heinous crime like shooting up 5 year olds. I want to know the stance of those people arguing how inhumane it is to take a life on this too.
Surely, they're not mutually exclusive.
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If you can't tell the difference between eating an animal because that's how we... uh... survive, and killing a human being (we should kill humans to convince them that they shouldn't kill...?) then that's a problem within itself I think.
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