[HighwayHooker]

Originally posted by JungleDisturbia

Well I highly doubt Katy, Ke$ha, and P!nk all rushed to the studio to quickly record their songs after Gaga's announcement in an attempt to beat her. My point that being "Born This Way" isn't some avant-garde left of centre 'risky' song that her fans make it out to be, when it was part of a trend that was already about to happen.

Born This Way is far more 'risky' than the others. It was largely aimed towards one community, and this is what put alot of people off her, and Gaga knew this

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by JungleDisturbia

Well I highly doubt Katy, Ke$ha, and P!nk all rushed to the studio to quickly record their songs after Gaga's announcement in an attempt to beat her. My point that being "Born This Way" isn't some avant-garde left of centre 'risky' song that her fans make it out to be, when it was part of a trend that was already about to happen.

Well... no, because Firework was released as an album track before then. My point is that she didn't ONLY release Born This Way to jump on the trend of empowerment anthems, like ATRL has been accusing her of for almost two years now. I don't claim that it is avant-garde either. It could have afforded to have been a lot more forward-thinking, not just with the song but the whole album.

The risk is that it directly mentions empowerment for gay individuals. It's a very blunt message, with no subtext to it at all. Very unlike Firework and We R Who We R, which are more universal and could be used for a broader variety of things. Lyrically, WRWWR isn't even an empowerment anthem at all. Kesha just said it could bee seen that way. And Firework isn't targeted just to gay people, but to everyone. I feel the risk can be seen more in the execution, and how it goes about representing its message, rather than than the musical elements or even the subject matter. It wasn't a safe option. Otherwise it would have done a lot better.

I hope I make sense.

[Dr.Cake]

Originally posted by BPD

Lol your impact makes zero sense I literally CANNOT at the monsters right now

If you're not feeling good, I suggest you to

[PhreshIn]

No

[UnusualBoy]

Yh why not? WFL was massive but we know that people are craving for new music of Gaga so I wouldn't doubt that her first single could be bigger than WFL (maybe not state side but WW yh)

[J a y]

It's unlikely, but who knows.

[Vin]

Nah. Lady Gaga has a hard enough time replicating
"Bad Romance/Poker Face," let alone "We Found Love."



This fantastic thread also needs a poll, by the way.

...Vin

[superben]

Certainly not loz

[JungleDisturbia]

Originally posted by HighwayHooker

Born This Way is far more 'risky' than the others. It was largely aimed towards one community, and this is what put alot of people off her, and Gaga knew this

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

Well... no, because Firework was released as an album track before then. My point is that she didn't ONLY release Born This Way to jump on the trend of empowerment anthems, like ATRL has been accusing her of for almost two years now. I don't clam that it is avant-garde either. It could have afforded to have been a lot more forward-thinking, not just with the song but the whole album.

The risk is that it directly mentions empowerment for gay individuals. It's a very blunt message, with no subtext to it at all. Very unlike Firework and We R Who We R, which are more universal and could be used for a broader variety of things. Lyrically, WRWWR isn't even an empowerment anthem at all. Kesha just said it could bee seen that way. And Firework isn't targeted just to gay people, but to everyone. I feel the risk can be seen more in the execution, and how it goes about representing its message, rather than than the musical elements or even the subject matter. It wasn't a safe option. Otherwise it would have done a lot better.

I hope I make sense.

I understand what you both are saying, and although directly talking about the LGBT community was a focus for many, it's meant to be as universal as it's predecessors, specifically shouting out various races, victims of bullying, etc.

You can argue that it was 'risky' for it's mention of "gay, straight, or bi" lyric but it's intent wasn't meant to be some gay-exclusive, it was made for everyone just like the other tracks. That's just the way I see it.

[KingKT]

I really don't see wfl's impact.
I would say the song is better than btw but the way btw impacted the lives of many gays and what gaga did with that is to me much more than what wfl did.
What impact did wfl have outside if chart success-seriously... It's a great dance song but other than that I don't see this "impact"

[KESTER]

I doubt it?
But then Gaga's album will sell more.. It's a never ending cycle of "singles vs. albums"

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by JungleDisturbia

I understand what you both are saying, and although directly talking about the LGBT community was a focus for many, it's meant to be as universal as it's predecessors, specifically shouting out various races, victims of bullying, etc.

You can argue that it was 'risky' for it's mention of "gay, straight, or bi" lyric but it's intent wasn't meant to be some gay-exclusive, it was made for everyone just like the other tracks. That's just the way I see it.

It may have been written that way, but that's definitely not how she presented the song, or her own visual artistry. And the public didn't perceive it as universal, because it didn't connect to most of those who heard it. And the mention of race is actually rather random and jarring when you put it in context. You don't expect it, and it feels very out of place, almost as though it were thrown in for the sake of it.

[mandym]

I kinda doubt it, but I'm not sure.

[Blue.]

Originally posted by thisbird

We Found Love was designed for the radio, Born This Way wasn't.

Gaga doesn't try to "replicate" her success either.

You are right. She tries to replicate other's.

[Eric.]

If we go by impact (of which WFL had ZERO), then piece of cake. I haven't seen any official reports about WFL's global sales, so I can't really compare them. I do think Gaga can have a bigger single with ARTPOP than "Born This Way."

[Relative]

Let's be honest here:

Born This Way was only risky because it wasn't a strong enough track to even be considered album filler, let alone a single. It's message to accept who you are has been done before by plenty of artists.

As far as the BTW Bus and her foundation-- it's great & I commend Gaga on her efforts but these have very little correlation to the impact of her single.

The only way to track a song's impact is sales, radio spins and ability to affect the pop music scene (i.e. how many artists are covering or copying your song). Bad Romance had more an affect on music as a whole than Born This Way and in a similar sense, We Found Love has had more of an affect than Born This Way.

So, can Gaga surpass We Found Love? Sure. I just think she is going to need to go in a whole 'nother direction that what she was doing before. She just needs fresh concepts as far as her music and visual concepts

[TheVoiceXtina]

Originally posted by Vin

Nah. Lady Gaga has a hard enough time replicating
"Bad Romance/Poker Face," let alone "We Found Love."



This fantastic thread also needs a poll, by the way.

...Vin

Thank you

How may i add the poll?

[PhreshIn]

Originally posted by Blue.

You are right. She tries to replicate other's.

[Vin]

Originally posted by TheVoiceXtina

Thank you

How may i add the poll?

At the top of the thread, and to the right -- click "Actions" and you'll see the option to add a poll.

...Vin

[Fanik]

DEATH at BTW selling 9 M

WFL sold 5.1 M in the US and 1.1 M in the UK..that makes 6.2 M from those two markets alone

lol at the monsters claiming it has sold only 1 M outside of those two markets ...it has sold 9M+

http://www.mediatraffic.de/alltime-track-chart.htm