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Poll: Which artist is holding the industry back?
View Poll Results: Which artist is holding the industry back?
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Pink
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28 |
16.18% |
Katy Perry
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28 |
16.18% |
Lady Gaga
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29 |
16.76% |
Rihanna
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21 |
12.14% |
Beyonce
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21 |
12.14% |
Ke$ha
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17 |
9.83% |
Britney Spears
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20 |
11.56% |
Other (Specify)
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9 |
5.20% |
Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Can somebody please remind me what's so innovative about Gaga's single releases? If Katy is making generic pop songs, then what does that say about Gaga who's 11/12 singles are pop/dance-pop oriented songs? At least Katy has released ballads here and there to switch things up.
When looking at single releases overall, it would have to be Ke$ha, P!nk and Gaga.
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
Posts: 20,704
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Originally posted by The Best One Yet
Yet Gaga is winning this poll.
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Do you think I'm surprised? Gaga's haterbase on this forum is very dedicated. In fact, I think some of them are more dedicated than actual stans.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by pika
If Katy is making generic pop songs, then what does that say about Gaga who's 11/12 singles are pop/dance-pop oriented songs?
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Most of Gaga's singles aren't even generic, they're distinctively Gaga songs. Her singles are pretty varied as well. As if all electropop songs are the same or something
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
Yes! Climax is amazing, innovative, and perfect.
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It totally is. It should have been #1 tbh.
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Originally posted by pika
Can somebody please remind me what's so innovative about Gaga's single releases? If Katy is making generic pop songs, then what does that say about Gaga who's 11/12 singles are pop/dance-pop oriented songs? At least Katy has released ballads here and there to switch things up.
When looking at single releases overall, it would have to be Ke$ha, P!nk and Gaga.
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Like I already said, you can help/hurt the industry in other ways than just singles.
Gaga's singles may all be electropop but it's been stated that massive tour grosses often return much into the industry as proven by tours like the MDNA Tour and the Born This Way Ball. She's helping the industry just fine.
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
The only right answers are Katy Perry and Ke$ha because they literally repeat the kind of music they make. Not progressive at all. I kiii'd when I read Katy was working with Dr. Luke again.
Here's why answering someone else other than those two is delusional.
Pink may not have diverse style in the music but she's not holding the industry back with those album sales. You can help the industry through other ways than just music. If you can sell albums, you are helping the industry. The Truth About Love has sold 3 million copies and that's amazing in this age.
Gaga is not holding the industry back with he tour grosses, album, and singles sales. She holds two of the most successful digital songs of all time (Poker Face and Just Dance). She, along with others, is credited for pushing dance music forward. She's doing her part.
Rihanna has done so many genres it's not even funny to say she's regressive.
Beyoncé has done a great job of making R&B songs really popular. She is also able to switch it up every album.
Britney has aided in the push of certain trends, like the dubstep that was found in pop music for a bit after Femme Fatale dropped.
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It's a generally unpopular opinion on ATRL but I do truly believe Ke$ha is partly credible for the electro-pop wave that dominated from 2009 - 2012. No, she wasn't the first one to do it. But she was a driving force when electro-pop was at it's peak. "Tik Tok" is one of the defining songs for that particular wave. I really don't think Ke$ha should be deemed as someone who is "holding the industry back".
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Nicki. She's not helping the female rap game by monopolizing it with her "rapping".
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This.
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Member Since: 11/14/2011
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
Do you think I'm surprised? Gaga's haterbase on this forum is very dedicated. In fact, I think some of them are more dedicated than actual stans.
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If she has more haters than lovers maybe her music isn't as great as you think.
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
Gaga is not holding the industry back with he tour grosses, album, and singles sales. She holds two of the most successful digital songs of all time (Poker Face and Just Dance). She, along with others, is credited for pushing dance music forward. She's doing her part.
Rihanna has done so many genres it's not even funny to say she's regressive.
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Oh god. Success = innovative? I'm guessing LMFAO are the innovators of this generation since Party Rock Anthem and Sexy & I Know It destroyed the charts.
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Gaga is not holding the industry back with he tour grosses, album, and singles sales. She holds two of the most successful digital songs of all time (Poker Face and Just Dance). She, along with others, is credited for pushing dance music forward. She's doing her part.
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It's funny that you say that because before Gaga ~pushed dance music forward~ Katy was already on the airwaves with Hot n Cold, a dance pop song. Katy was already pushing dance music forward before your fave hit it big so how is she holding it back exactly?
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Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
Like I already said, you can help/hurt the industry in other ways than just singles.
Gaga's singles may all be electropop but it's been stated that massive tour grosses often return much into the industry as proven by tours like the MDNA Tour and the Born This Way Ball. She's helping the industry just fine.
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Touring has nothing to with innovation, though? So you have fans that buy your tickets, you're suddenly innovative now? Where is the logic? The GP couldn't care less about touring sales, and to the outside world Gaga is just another pop girl releasing just another dance-pop single. She had plans to go work with RedOne this month? Is she regressing pop music since he made Bad Romance?
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Originally posted by The Best One Yet
If she has more haters than lovers maybe her music isn't as great as you think.
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You should try less bland comebacks. It kills the conversation.
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Originally posted by pika
Oh god. Success = innovative? I'm guessing LMFAO are the innovators of this generation since Party Rock Anthem and Sexy & I Know It destroyed the charts.
It's funny that you say that because before Gaga ~pushed dance music forward~ Katy was already on the airwaves with Hot n Cold, a dance pop song. Katy was already pushing dance music forward before your fave hit it big so how is she holding it back exactly?
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You misinterpreted my reply.
Touring is a great way to put money and attention back into the industry. She can't be holding the industry back when she's grossing s*** tons on her tours.
And I didn't know bubblegum pop music pushed dance music forward but if that's what helps you sleep at night.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Oh god. Success = innovative? I'm guessing LMFAO are the innovators of this generation since Party Rock Anthem and Sexy & I Know It destroyed the charts.
It's funny that you say that because before Gaga ~pushed dance music forward~ Katy was already on the airwaves with Hot n Cold, a dance pop song. Katy was already pushing dance music forward before your fave hit it big so how is she holding it back exactly?
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Dancepop has always been in pop music though. Kesha before Gaga, Katy before Kesha, Rihanna before Katy, Britney before Rihanna, Madonna before Britney.. I could just keep going on probably and any name could be switched for the ones I've mentioned. But I don't think until Gaga came and made everyone look her way, did dance-pop really become the norm for songs to reach the top 10 of the Hot 100, almost fully replacing urban music.
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Member Since: 12/26/2011
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Originally posted by slobro
Most of Gaga's singles aren't even generic, they're distinctively Gaga songs. Her singles are pretty varied as well. As if all electropop songs are the same or something
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As if all electropop songs are the same or something
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So you can say that for Gaga but not Katy? Not all of Katy's singles sound the same either. Hot n Cold doesn't sound like California Gurls, Teenage Dream doesn't sound like Firework, NOTHING on the radio sounds like E.T., The One That Got Away doesn't sound like Last Friday Night etc. .etc. You all can't make up excuses for Gaga when the same things can be applied to Katy. Besides:
Just Dance sounds like Poker Face
Bad Romance sounds like Judas
LoveGame and Telephone are disastrous
Born This Way is already dated as hell so it regressed pop music the day it was released so what is your point exactly?
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Originally posted by pika
Touring has nothing to with innovation, though? So you have fans that buy your tickets, you're suddenly innovative now? Where is the logic? The GP couldn't care less about touring sales, and to the outside world Gaga is just another pop girl releasing just another dance-pop single. She had plans to go work with RedOne this month? Is she regressing pop music since he made Bad Romance?
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Innovation isn't the only way to help the industry. THE OP ASKED WHO IS HOLDING THE INDUSTRY BACK AND IT CAN'T BE SOMEONE WHO HLEPS PUT MONEY BACK INTO IT.
And kiii at you trying it with the RedOne comment when Katy is using Dr. Luke again. At least Gaga's bringing new members to her team like Zedd and Madeon.
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Originally posted by swissman
Dancepop has always been in pop music though. Kesha before Gaga, Katy before Kesha, Rihanna before Katy, Britney before Rihanna, Madonna before Britney.. I could just keep going on probably and any name could be switched for the ones I've mentioned. But I don't think until Gaga came and made everyone look her way, did dance-pop really become the norm for songs to reach the top 10 of the Hot 100, almost fully replacing urban music.
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Is that why Britney, Katy, Rihanna, The Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, and a bucket list of other artists were smashing with dance-pop songs BEFORE Gaga? Is that why I Gotta Feeling sold more than PF and JD? Is that why Hot n Cold is only 1x platinum behind JD and PF in sales? Dance-pop was already a trend before Gaga became popular. You're all confusing her massive debut with having impact. She came in at the right time, but loads of other artists helped paved the way for her to get there, Katy being one of them.
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Originally posted by Rivington Reject
Innovation isn't the only way to help the industry. THE OP ASKED WHO IS HOLDING THE INDUSTRY BACK AND IT CAN'T BE SOMEONE WHO HLEPS PUT MONEY BACK INTO IT.
And kiii at you trying it with the RedOne comment when Katy is using Dr. Luke again. At least Gaga's bringing new members to her team like Zedd and Madeon.
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What the **** They're talking artistically and sonically, not successfully Nowhere in the OP did they mention sales, and nowhere in this thread but you has brought up touring to being a reason to be innovative.
And kiii @ you trying it with Katy as if she didn't co-write all her songs on Teenage Dream, as if Dr. Luke will be the only producer on her new album, as if Zedd is some indie jazz producer when he makes catchy dance music (ie. Clarity). Stop fooling yourself.
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I think the problem is not that one artist is holding the industry back but that we have had the same pop girls, and artists dominating since 09 we haven't had any new pop stars with longevity or promise since Gaga(Ke$ha seems to have faded) so when we have the same people dominating for almost 3 years with no good newbies to give something new pop music becomes somewhat stale, and repetitive even if those said same artist change their musical styles. We need more stars in the pop musical landscape who are here to stay.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by pika
Just Dance sounds like Poker Face
Bad Romance sounds like Judas
LoveGame and Telephone are disastrous
Born This Way is already dated as hell so it regressed pop music the day it was released so what is your point exactly?
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WTF? Bad Romance's production sounds like Judas? Are you deaf? Just Dance doesn't sound like Poker Face. The only think that sounds the same between JD and PF is that RedOne traditional sound at 0:16 in PF.
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Originally posted by pika
Is that why Britney, Katy, Rihanna, The Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, and a bucket list of other artists were smashing with dance-pop songs BEFORE Gaga? Is that why I Gotta Feeling sold more than PF and JD? Is that why Hot n Cold is only 1x platinum behind JD and PF in sales? Dance-pop was already a trend before Gaga became popular. You're all confusing her massive debut with having impact. She came in at the right time, but loads of other artists helped paved the way for her to get there, Katy being one of them.
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He literally just explained that dance-pop existed before Gaga. But some of those artists didn't help push it into the limelight like Gaga, Britney, or Rihanna.
And stop acting like Katy debuted decades before Gaga. Their careers are literally the same age.
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