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Poll: MORE IMPACT: Avril or Xtina
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Originally posted by atrlster
Avril was never as big as Britney ![deadbanana](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana2_zpsd45da7d4.gif) Not even for a moment unless that moment was like literally 5 seconds. She was very big in her own right though. She was never at Gaga's level either
Let Go was not nominated for Album of the Year
Christina just got nominated for 2 Grammys last year. So I'd say she's doing fine in that aspect. She's actually been nominated for a Grammy in every era she's done. Even side projects like her Latin Album and Lady Marmalade get nommed. She has won 5 Grammys in all
Avril hasn't been nominated for a Grammy in 8 years. She was never nominated after her 2nd era and she hasn't even won one Grammy. Most major artists with impact have at least one. ![shutup](images/smilies/shutup.gif)
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So The Doors, Queen, Tupac, Bob Marley, Notorious B.I.G., Guns n' Roses, Kiss, Depeche Mode, Morrissey, The Smiths, ABBA and Oasis are not major artists with an actual impact??? They never won a Grammy. What kind of logic! Christina ain't bigger than Avril because she has Grammy Awards. Please! You need to stop stanning so hard.
Avril clearly has a bigger impact. She was like Alanis' successor in the pop-rock movement. I remember all that rocky sound of the early/mid 00s: Evanescence, Linkin Park, Green Day (the groups) and then Avril. She was THE pop-rock / punk rock girl at that time. P!nk released her rock album (Try This) after Let Go. And then Kelly Clarkson came out with her Breakway.
Christina was successful with her stuff but she had a strong competitor who came out first - Britney; they are compared until this day. Avril was on her own league, just doing her thing.
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Originally posted by MiguelPortugal
So The Doors, Queen, Tupac, Bob Marley, Notorious B.I.G., Guns n' Roses, Kiss, Depeche Mode, Morrissey. The Smiths, ABBA and Oasis are not major artists with impact??? They never won a Grammy. What kind of logic. Christina ain't bigger than Avril because she has Grammy Award. Please! You need to stop stanning so hard.
Avril has clearly a bigger impact. She was like Alanis' successor in the pop-rock movement. I remember all that rocky sound of the early/mid 00s: Evanescence, Linkin Park, Green Day (the groups) and then Avril. She was THE pop-rock / punk rock girl at that time. P!nk released her rock album (Try This) after Let Go. And then Kelly Clarkson came out with her Breakway.
Christina was successful with her stuff but she had a strong competitor who came out first- Britney; they are compared until this day. Avril was on her own league, just doing her thing.
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First off, I'm not even the one who brought up the Grammys to justify Christina. I'm just saying if you bring up the Grammys to justify Avril, it actually makes Christina look even better because she has been nominated more and actually won before
And Im talking about modern pop divas here. You know very when it comes to older rock artists, that's a completely different story. So you can't compare that. There is no "stanning"
Avril was never seen as being anywhere near Alanis's level. Rock radio embraced Alanis. Avril was shunned by them and her music was seen as immature to many adults - She was nowhere near Alanis's level of respect. If she had impacted rock the way Alanis did, then I could see that. But she did not at all.
Pink did Pop Rock first with Missundaztood. That came out a full year before Avrils debut.
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Originally posted by Remember When
On Youtube:
ChristinaVEVO 500 million views
AvrilLavigneVEVO 1 billion views
On Facebook
Xtina 9 million likes
Avril 38 million likes
On Last.fm
Xtina 62 million plays
Avril 86 million plays
Billboard Year End Chart: Social 50 Artists:
Avril #28 (Not releasing anything, not being a judge)
Where the hell was Xtina? (Lotus released but no one cares)
Sales: Obviously Avril >>>
GL > Bionic + Lotus
So Xtina fans always try their best to deny the fact that Avril is still more relevant, they just can't take it. How pathetic!
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Yep basically this is also part of impact and u missed Twitter which Avril also wins with almost 8 million blackstars and Legend X with almost 3 million fighters, but well Avril have a bit more of time on Twitter than X Tina so yeah
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
At some VERY short point and time Avril was actually bigger than Britney. But of course, Britney proved her longevity but that's another story.
Christina was never bigger than Britney. She had bad luck with timing so she is forever an afterthought.
Avril's t-shirt and tie, chucks, and studs combo was her answer to Britney's school girl outfit. It was MAJOR back then.
Avril had her own virus called "Lirva".
Let Go was a Grammy Album of the Year nominee and all of it's singles were nominated for Grammys as well, "With You" and "Compilicated" getting General Field nominations. Also nominated for Best New Artist.
The Grammys tried to make Christina happen but they themselves wouldn't nominate anything of her own these days. Their OWN Best New Artist winner.
That said, Avril was a cultural phenomenon. I can only remember three females who've reached that platform - Britney and Lady Gaga the other two. It's a lucrative position to be in but she burned out so fast.
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![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif) totally true I compleatly agree.
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Originally posted by Alexz
Avril and they've both made more impact than Beyoncé.
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also true dear alexz ![hug](images/smilies/images/smilies/hug.gif) but we are not talking about her
Merry Christmas!!!
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Originally posted by atrlster
First off, I'm not even the one who brought up the Grammys to justify Christina. I'm just saying if you bring up the Grammys to justify Avril, it actually makes Christina look even better because she has been nominated more and actually won before
And Im talking about modern pop divas here. You know very when it comes to older rock artists, that's a completely different story. So you can't compare that. There is no "stanning"
Avril was never seen as being anywhere near Alanis's level. Rock radio embraced Alanis. Avril was shunned by them and her music was seen as immature to many adults - She was nowhere near Alanis's level of respect. If she had impacted rock the way Alanis did, then I could see that. But she did not at all.
Pink did Pop Rock first with Missundaztood. That came out a full year before Avrils debut.
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(You stan for Christina Aguilera. You did similar comments in a Jennifer Lopez vs Christina thread. It's irrelevant, though.)
Because of her image, not sound. And the 90s are the 90s. The 00s are the 00s. Different times. Radios changed. Everything changes. If Avril had released Let Go and Under My Skin in the 90s rock radios would have played her stuff.
And no about P!nk. Her debut album was R&B and it was released the year before Missundaztood. That album is more about pop and party than pop-rock. Try This is her first pop-rock, alternative rock record.
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Originally posted by atrlster
Even if Avril was the It Girl, that doesn't mean she passed Britney in impact. Last year Katy Perry was the It Girl over Lady Gaga, but in no way did Katy Perry ever pass Lady Gaga in impact
How were they constantly pitted against each other? Britney didn't even have anything out when Avril came out. Britney has only had one true "Anti-Britney" and that was Christina.
How was the soundtrack field weak? There wasn't anything unusual about that year
And Grammys don't nominate unsuccessful songs when it comes to pop music. That's the way it is with anyone, not just Christina. So there is nothing telling about that.
Lotus wasn't released in time for nominations. So out of 4 albums, 3 have been nominated. Avril has had 5 albums, and only 2 have been nominated. That's a worst percentage. And like I said Christina has won 5 awards, Avril 0. So thats an even worse percentage
Avril's cultural relevance lies in Complicated. And Beautiful has had more impact than Complicated overall
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They were being compared to each other regardless because Avril was the biggest threat to Britney at that time success-wise. I remember as I was a member of this forum even then. However, this only lasted for a short time and maybe I stand by this because Britney was seriously overexposed at that time with Crossroads and Britney album promo and she had no radio success.
Christina isn't the anti-Britney, because they were essentially in the same category - the teen pop box. Avril created this movement of being true to who you are, you don't have to dress like ****s, etc.,.
The Grammys nominated Overprotected which was big fat flop. The Grammys have their favorites and if they care enough they will nominate them regardless of level of floppage. Britney was just too big to ignore at that time for them not to nominate her, even though she is one of their artists in their "you have to prove to us you deserve it" bin.
Avril's debut was massive. It was the third best selling album in the US in 2002 and was the best selling album by a female.
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Originally posted by MiguelPortugal
(You stan for Christina Aguilera. You did similar comments in a Jennifer Lopez vs Christina thread. It's irrelevant, though.)
Because of her image, not sound. And the 90s are the 90s. The 00s are the 00s. Different times. Radios changed. Everything changes. If Avril had released Let Go and Under My Skin in the 90s rock radios would have played her stuff.
And no about P!nk. Her debut album was R&B and it was released the year before Missundaztood. That album is more about pop and party than pop-rock. Try This is her first pop-rock, alternative rock record.
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What are you even talking about with Christina and JLO? I don't recall. And I don't know if I see myself as a Christina stan either.
It's not just the image. Even if this was the 90s, the lyrics would have been too immature for alt radio. Remember, alt radio is mostly geared towards older men, who have no time or interest in skater bois or some complicated teenage romance.
And what do you mean no to Pink? Misusunderazstood is where she ditched R&B for good and hooked up with Linda Perry and Steven Tyler among others to make rock. What do you consider Dont Let Me Get Me and Just Like A Pill? Those are definitely pop rock songs and they proceeded Avril's debut
Try This is where she went deeper into rock. It was her My December moment.
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You have to be out of your mind to think Avril has made more impact than Xtina. Yes she was very successful during the beginning of her career, but that is long gone. Avril isn't a hot topic these days and she goes overlooked and is basically forgotten. To this day, Christina is in the blogs and is as relevant as ever in the media. Don't forget this is without her having radios hits, yet people are still talking about her. All over the globe, her songs are still being performed on singing competitions and many up-and-coming newer artists will cite Xtina as an influence. I don't see that with Avril.
And ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) at Avril fans thinking she was more successful than Britney. It's not 2002 anymore.
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Originally posted by Violet Skye
They were being compared to each other regardless because Avril was the biggest threat to Britney at that time success-wise. I remember as I was a member of this forum even then. However, this only lasted for a short time and maybe I stand by this because Britney was seriously overexposed at that time with Crossroads and Britney album promo and she had no radio success.
Christina isn't the anti-Britney, because they were essentially in the same category - the teen pop box. Avril created this movement of being true to who you are, you don't have to dress like ****s, etc.,.
The Grammys nominated Overprotected which was big fat flop. The Grammys have their favorites and if they care enough they will nominate them regardless of level of floppage. Britney was just too big to ignore at that time for them not to nominate her, even though she is one of their artists in their "you have to prove to us you deserve it" bin.
Avril's debut was massive. It was the third best selling album in the US in 2002 and was the best selling album by a female.
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Christina was always Britney's main threat back then. I don't really recall people really saying that Avril was a legitimate threat to take down Britney. Remember back then, Avril wanted to be seen as more rock, even if it didn't really work out that way. So they weren't even in the same lane. That's the same reason P!nk was never really compared to Britney like that either.
Christina was seen as the anti Britney, because they were supposed to be enemies, so literally the "Anti-Britney". Back then it was all about how Britney had the catchier songs, and the dancing, but Christina was the opposite by actually being "talented" with her voice.
Overprotected may not had done well, but the album did. So it's not surprising that she got nominated. And Britney had an established Grammy history. Two of her hit singles had been nominated before, so she got a pass with that.
And I just realized Avril only got nominated on her first album ![shutup](images/smilies/shutup.gif) I thought her 2004 nominations were for Under My Skin. But then I realized that would have actually been the 2005 ceremony
I would say that's worse than Britney or Christina's situations. Because it makes sense Christina was snubbed since Bionic and You Lost Me flopped. And it can make sense that Britney got a pass for Overprotected because Britney sold well.
But Under My Skin did well for a second album and My Happy Ending was a hit. Girlfriend was also a hit and TBDT did okay. And she still got snubbed ![:-x](images/smilies/images/smilies/x.gif) Since we are talking about Grammys in terms of impact, that really does make her seem likes she's much worse in that aspect ![shutup](images/smilies/shutup.gif)
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
You have to be out of your mind to think Avril has made more impact than Xtina. Yes she was very successful during the beginning of her career, but that is long gone. Avril isn't a hot topic these days and she goes overlooked and is basically forgotten. To this day, Christina is in the blogs and is as relevant as ever in the media. Don't forget this is without her having radios hits, yet people are still talking about her. All over the globe, her songs are still being performed on singing competitions and many up-and-coming newer artists will cite Xtina as an influence. I don't see that with Avril.
And ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) at Avril fans thinking she was more successful than Britney. It's not 2002 anymore.
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This ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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Xtina by a LARGE margin..... Especially on a Global scale... 'Girlfriend', 'Sk8er Boy', 'Complicated' & 'I Will Be' are the only notable songs from Avril. The rest are utterly forgettable..
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Originally posted by atrlster
Christina was always Britney's main threat back then. I don't really recall people really saying that Avril was a legitimate threat to take down Britney. Remember back then, Avril wanted to be seen as more rock, even if it didn't really work out that way. So they weren't even in the same lane. That's the same reason P!nk was never really compared to Britney like that either.
Christina was seen as the anti Britney, because they were supposed to be enemies, so literally the "Anti-Britney". Back then it was all about how Britney had the catchier songs, and the dancing, but Christina was the opposite by actually being "talented" with her voice.
Overprotected may not had done well, but the album did. So it's not surprising that she got nominated. And Britney had an established Grammy history. Two of her hit singles had been nominated before, so she got a pass with that.
And I just realized Avril only got nominated on her first album ![shutup](images/smilies/shutup.gif) I thought her 2004 nominations were for Under My Skin. But then I realized that would have actually been the 2005 ceremony
I would say that's worse than Britney or Christina's situations. Because it makes sense Christina was snubbed since Bionic and You Lost Me flopped. And it can make sense that Britney got a pass for Overprotected because Britney sold well.
But Under My Skin did well for a second album and My Happy Ending was a hit. Girlfriend was also a hit and TBDT did okay. And she still got snubbed ![:-x](images/smilies/images/smilies/x.gif) Since we are talking about Grammys in terms of impact, that really does make her seem likes she's much worse in that aspect ![shutup](images/smilies/shutup.gif)
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This thread is a joke, why are we even wasting our time?! ![ahh](images/smilies/images/smilies/ahh.gif)
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
You have to be out of your mind to think Avril has made more impact than Xtina. Yes she was very successful during the beginning of her career, but that is long gone. Avril isn't a hot topic these days and she goes overlooked and is basically forgotten. To this day, Christina is in the blogs and is as relevant as ever in the media. Don't forget this is without her having radios hits, yet people are still talking about her. All over the globe, her songs are still being performed on singing competitions and many up-and-coming newer artists will cite Xtina as an influence. I don't see that with Avril.
And ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) at Avril fans thinking she was more successful than Britney. It's not 2002 anymore.
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That's mainly because she is on one of Amercia's biggest singing shows, not because she is a legend.
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
This thread is a joke, why are we even wasting our time?! ![ahh](images/smilies/images/smilies/ahh.gif)
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Very true ![dies](images/smilies/images/smilies/dies.gif) Im working on something, but these threads keep distracting me lol
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Originally posted by BadBitches
That's mainly because she is on one of Amercia's biggest singing shows, not because she is a legend.
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Twisting my words won't make my comments any less true. In that paragraph, I never said her being in the media had anything to do with her being a legend.
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I grew up with Christina and remember the teen pop craze (97-02) very well. She's obviously been successful but I think what's hindering me from clicking her name is the fact that she never really dominated an era by herself. Selling 8 million off a debut is nothing to sneeze at but in my head I'm like, well there was also Britney who was simultaneously doing 14 million. The Backstreet Boys were out. They were a global phenomenon, N'Sync was slaying. It's like she gets lost in the shuffle. Running in fourth place. And when she came back 3 years later in 02 she was playing second fiddle to hmm, to Avril Lavigne. And her arrival was notable. Violet Skye is absolutely right, mid 2002 to early 2003 she was hotter than Britney. Spears had already began wrapping up her third era and Lavigne was being built up as an alternative and new opponent to the pop princess. Here's a young girl who rides skateboards and doesn't bare her midriff. Now obviously Britney is Britney and her longevity and impact on pop culture is insurmountable in comparison but for a few good months Avril was a lead female. And I think that's why I'll give it to her. Christina, maybe it's timing, never ruled with any of her albums. Moving forward in 2006 there was Beyonce, there was Fergie, etc. 2010 Katy Perry was on the scene, Rihanna, etc.
You get the point. With Aguilera you can always point to someone else that out-did her in the same timeframe.
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Originally posted by Musicjunky318
I grew up with Christina and remember the teen pop craze (97-02) very well. She's obviously been successful but I think what's hindering me from clicking her name is the fact that she never really dominated an era by herself. Selling 8 million off a debut is nothing to sneeze at but in my head I'm like, well there was also Britney who was simultaneously doing 14 million. The Backstreet Boys were out. They were a global phenomenon, N'Sync was slaying. It's like she gets lost in the shuffle. Running in fourth place. And when she came back 3 years later in 02 she was playing second fiddle to hmm, to Avril Lavigne. And her arrival was notable. Violet Skye is absolutely right, mid 2002 to early 2003 she was hotter than Britney. Spears had already began wrapping up her third era and Lavigne was being built up as an alternative and new opponent to the pop princess. Here's a young girl who rides skateboards and doesn't bare her midriff. Now obviously Britney is Britney and her longevity and impact on pop culture is insurmountable in comparison but for a few good months Avril was a lead female. And I think that's why I'll give it to her. Christina, maybe it's timing, never ruled with any of her albums. Moving forward in 2006 there was Beyonce, there was Fergie, etc. 2010 Katy Perry was on the scene, Rihanna, etc.
You get the point. With Aguilera you can always point to someone else that out-did her in the same timeframe.
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STFU, ain't no one got time for this damn
comprehension. Christina will always own
Avril and any other pop bitch that emerged in the
00's. SIT back down
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The essays in this thread ![toofunny3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny3_zps08814413.gif)
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Originally posted by TheVoiceXtina
STFU, ain't no one got time for this damn
comprehension. Christina will always own
Avril and any other pop bitch that emerged in the
00's. SIT back down
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Christina hasn't owned anything. Ever. That was part of of my point.
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Originally posted by Xtina Culture
You have to be out of your mind to think Avril has made more impact than Xtina. Yes she was very successful during the beginning of her career, but that is long gone. Avril isn't a hot topic these days and she goes overlooked and is basically forgotten. To this day, Christina is in the blogs and is as relevant as ever in the media. Don't forget this is without her having radios hits, yet people are still talking about her. All over the globe, her songs are still being performed on singing competitions and many up-and-coming newer artists will cite Xtina as an influence. I don't see that with Avril.
And ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) at Avril fans thinking she was more successful than Britney. It's not 2002 anymore.
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and dun forget her Walk of Fame, achievement awards, noble awards, and many award shows producer let her sing to pay a tribute to many legends.... ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
many legends praise her too
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Originally posted by BadBitches
That's mainly because she is on one of Amercia's biggest singing shows, not because she is a legend.
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while the media were writing like 'Hilary peeping Christina boobies' more than 'her receiving noble from Hilary'
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'she stumbled on Grammy stage' more than 'paying Aretha a tribute'
or
'she ignored Justin Bieber n The Wanted on The Voice' more than
@therealxtina
I met Emma at #TheVoice last season. She's courageous and beautiful, in every single way. http://youtu.be/OhfuvJbKltw
https://twitter.com/TheRealXtina/sta...47078548099072
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