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Discussion: Should Hillary run again in 2020?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Trump won because of racism. If you think that people who voted for Trump would've been amenable by the first jewish president then you clearly don't know why she lost
You look pretty uneducated right now
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I'm trying not to cuss you out since i've seen your idiotic posts today. Racism and underestimation was a humungous FACTOR to his win.
Trump awakened the belly of the racists beasts of America. Bernie awakened the belly of the independents, millennials, and socialists. THE KEY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT TRUMPS SUPPORTERS FELT SUPPORTED BY TRUMP AND WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO VOTE. The Democrats gave a huge middle finger to millennials, independents, exc. and most turned.
STILL, she was seen as more hated than Trump by THE STATES THAT TURNED which were the crucial states that determined the electoral college votes. If Bernie was running, he would have won in those states since those states BACKED him and DESPISED Clinton the entire election. You and a select few of idiots keep pulling that "socialist jew" card. Your girl went against despicable Trump and STILL lost. Even Trump himself said Bernie would have been strict competition.
You don't think those states knew what they were doing!? GO READ.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by AlphaOmega
I'm trying not to cuss you out since i've seen your idiotic posts today. Racism and underestimation was a humungous FACTOR to his win.
STILL, she was seen as more hated than Trump by THE STATES THAT TURNED which were the crucial states that determined the electoral college votes. If Bernie was running, he would have won in those states since those states BACKED him and DESPISED Clinton. You and a select few of idiots keep pulling that "socialist jew" card. Your girl went against despicable Trump and STILL lost. Even Trump himself said Bernie would have been strict competition.
You don't think those states knew what they were doing!? GO READ.
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None of this is right. She was not more hated in states that turned, she was just voted against which was not the same thing. Had Bernie ran he would have had even less minority support than her and still wouldn't get the moderate vote because of his self proclaimed socialist views. Not to mention the fact that he's jewish and possibly atheist. And he hasn't had negative ads run against him.
He, like any democrat not named Joe Biden, would not have won this year. He may in 2020 however. That's the end of this
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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How did trump awaken racists to vote when he got less votes than Romney? The racists have always been there and that didn't stop a black man from getting elected TWICE. These excuses 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Harry
No thanks. She should never have run in the first place. It's her fault people have to suffer.
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Hillary doesn't deserve blame, she was by far and away the most qualified and obvious democratic candidate two years ago when this was a question. Let's not forget she won the democratic primary by a hefty margin, despite a surprising amount of support for Bernie, too.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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I do think that Sanders could have won.
He inspired a lot of rural white voters to vote for him in the primaries, which are the voters that played a factor in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, and Pennsylvania.
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Member Since: 4/4/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
None of this is right. She was not more hated in states that turned, she was just voted against which was not the same thing. Had Bernie ran he would have had even less minority support than her and still wouldn't get the moderate vote because of his self proclaimed socialist views. Not to mention the fact that he's jewish and possibly atheist. And he hasn't had negative ads run against him.
He, like any democrat not named Joe Biden, would not have won this year. He may in 2020 however. That's the end of this
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LOL Dems deserved to lose with this logic. This logic represents a world that is ten years ago. 2016 is a different year now. Do you think a candidate like Donald would have won 2008? Not a chance. Anyway, Sanders would have been competitive and probably beat Trump - hugely. GE polls had him at 54% against Trump's 38%. Hell, Hillary would have won if she wasn't so vindictive to Sanders' base.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by RatedG²
None of this is right. She was not more hated in states that turned, she was just voted against which was not the same thing. Had Bernie ran he would have had even less minority support than her and still wouldn't get the moderate vote because of his self proclaimed socialist views. Not to mention the fact that he's jewish and possibly atheist. And he hasn't had negative ads run against him.
He, like any democrat not named Joe Biden, would not have won this year. He may in 2020 however. That's the end of this
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Those states turned and exited from her party.
Bernie had one of the biggest movements in political history so what the hell are you talking about!? Also Hilary had the most ads against Trump and she still lost.
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Originally posted by Javan
How did trump awaken racists to vote when he got less votes than Romney? The racists have always been there and that didn't stop a black man from getting elected TWICE. These excuses |
It is now confirmed that droves of lower class supporters came out and overhauled - which is what I mean by "waking the belly of the beast". They didn't vote up until this point and they came out in droves. Partly for the racist rhetoric by their hopeful president and partly for the hatred of Clinton.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mean Trees
LOL Dems deserved to lose with this logic. This logic represents a world that is ten years ago. 2016 is a different year now. Do you think a candidate like Donald would have won 2008? Not a chance. Anyway, Sanders would have been competitive and probably beat Trump - hugely. GE polls had him at 54% against Trump's 38%. Hell, Hillary would have won if she wasn't so vindictive to Sanders' base.
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PREACH THAT GOOD WORD.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Lay off the good sis, RatedG, y'all.
We are allowed to have different view points, and he has some very valid ones. Bernie would have been dragged by Trump and his supporters, had he got the nomination. There's no way to tell what things could have surfaced, and how people could have reacted to that.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Nah, I don't think she would have made a good candidate either. She has a troubling history that, while not as scary as Trump, still shouldn't be the standard of what a President should be.
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Trump won because of racism. If you think that people who voted for Trump would've been amenable by the first jewish president then you clearly don't know why she lost
You look pretty uneducated right now
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Tl;Dr: Clinton is hated, Trump is hated, politicians are hated. Sanders wouldn't have lost the vote of people who are tired of the same old Washington.
(Welp at my two dissertation length posts today, I should stop.)
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Trump won the south because of racism, Trump won Obama states because he is anti-establishment and stood up against things that people saw as harming them. Trade deals, wars, distant politicians who don't care about them. Trump gave regular people a voice on the big stage and was rewarded for that.
Don't get me wrong, Trump is absolute trash and should have never have come close to the Presidency, but you're lying to yourself if you believe states that overwhelming voted Obama decided to be racist against Clinton.
People hate politicians these days, and Clinton is a long time politician who has been part of a lot of things people hate. Sanders, though Jewish and a politician, stood up against much of what people are against these days. He would not have lost the anti-establishmentvote to Trump. He wouldn't have had constant scandals and he wouldn't have had a tragic approval rating. That puts him in a much better position than Clinton ever stood.
I know Clinton supporters have created this narrative over the past year that Clinton is the greatest person ever and only racists and sexists would stand in here way, but you all need to step out of your ATRL bubble and see the real world.
People don't like Clinton, that's a well established fact. They also don't like Trump. As far as I'm aware people either liked or didn't know who Bernie was? Would've been much easier for him to make a great first impression denouncing evils of Governments past than it would've been for either Trump or Clinton to recover from terrible approval ratings.
Bernie may have struggled with minorities versus Clinton in the primaries, but I highly doubt they would've swung behind Trump this week against Sanders.
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Member Since: 5/3/2012
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No. E. Warren or Beyoncé should.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by RatedG²
None of this is right. She was not more hated in states that turned, she was just voted against which was not the same thing. Had Bernie ran he would have had even less minority support than her and still wouldn't get the moderate vote because of his self proclaimed socialist views. Not to mention the fact that he's jewish and possibly atheist. And he hasn't had negative ads run against him.
He, like any democrat not named Joe Biden, would not have won this year. He may in 2020 however. That's the end of this
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Trump won the racist states though and minorities ended up staying on their couches anyway. Any coalition Hillary had could have been easily converted to Bernie voters considering she always campaigns for the Democratic nominee.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
No.
And the DNC needs to be purged of all who were exposed as corrupt this year.
We need someone exciting (Cory Booker?) who can unite people and move the party further left and battle the growing racist rhetoric by the Republicans.
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No. Booker is one of those people that turn blindsided to Clinton flaws.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Bernie would've lost. As we learned polls don't predict elections
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May polls had Trump vs Clinton in a virtual tie, while Bernie vs Trump, Bernie had a double digit lead. Now pundits that pushed the rhetoric that Clinton was more electable than Bernie are changing their story.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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No, enough with the Clintons. Let them retire in peace.
We need fresh faces. And candidates without 30+ years worth of political baggage.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by chris1991
Bernie would have lost. For the most part he appealed to young people. The election was basicly decided by older white folk. He wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Because young people were too demoralized to turn up  That tends to happen when an election is openly rigged against your candidate, and you endure a year of being accused of sexism (Bernie Bros), or being a boy-crazy dumb girl who is only going where the boys are, and basically being uneducated and/or not understanding politics (the media + wannabe pundits on ATRL).
According to this Bloomberg article, whites 18-29 (the demographic ya'll constantly reminded us made up the core of Bernie's voter base in the primary) went for Trump in the general. The percentage of young voters voting third party nearly tripled (3% > 8%) compared to 2012 as well. This chart is incredibly telling:
^ Democrats declined in %age of youth vote, while the republican number stayed exactly the same compared to 2012. "A surge of racist voters, no one could have beat him!!1" they said 
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And as others have pointed out, Bernie performed better among rural whites (another demographic ya'll diminished his chances for), and they did decide the election in many states Clinton lost. Bernie would have held Clinton's coalition and added his (young, rural white + independents) on, the black turnout was already down (egregiously so in many states), and perhaps no one could have matched Obama's turnout in that regard. But the fact is, rust belt whites preferred Bernie to Clinton, and when it came to Clinton v. Trump, they either flipped or didn't care enough to turn up.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Because young people were too demoralized to turn up That tends to happen when an election is openly rigged against your candidate, and you endure a year of being accused of sexism (Bernie Bros), or being a boy-crazy dumb girl who is only going where the boys are, and basically being uneducated and/or not understanding politics (the media + wannabe pundits on ATRL).
According to this Bloomberg article, whites 18-29 (the demographic ya'll constantly reminded us made up the core of Bernie's voter base in the primary) went for Trump in the general. The percentage of young voters voting third party nearly tripled (3% > 8%) compared to 2012 as well. This chart is incredibly telling:
^ Democrats declined in %age of youth vote, while the republican number stayed exactly the same compared to 2012. "A surge of racist voters, no one could have beat him!!1" they said
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And as others have pointed out, Bernie performed better among rural whites (another demographic ya'll diminished his chances for), and they did decide the election in many states Clinton lost. Bernie would have held Clinton's coalition and added his (young, rural white + independents) on, the black turnout was already down (egregiously so in many states), and perhaps no one could have matched Obama's turnout in that regard. But the fact is, rust belt whites preferred Bernie to Clinton, and when it came to Clinton v. Trump, they either flipped or didn't care enough to turn up. |
SAY IT LOUDER THEY AIN'T HEAR YOU!!
WOOOOOO Alejandrawrrr LITERALLY SLAYING TONIGHT!!!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Javan
How did trump awaken racists to vote when he got less votes than Romney? The racists have always been there and that didn't stop a black man from getting elected TWICE. These excuses |
It's the fact that both candidates were awful and a lot of people just didn't want to vote at all.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Definitely not. Firstly, she got rejected by America twice, which pretty much disqualifies her from running again. The Democrats would not allow this. Secondly, she will be way too old to run for president at the age of 72.
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