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Poll: Who are the 5 main pop girls?
View Poll Results: The 5th Main Pop Girl?
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Rihanna
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66.04% |
Lady Gaga
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27.87% |
Ariana
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Originally posted by Bellerophon
There aren't 5 main popgirls, there's more.
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Not really. At least now not.
Main pop girls as of TODAY: Adele, Beyonce, Taylor, they have success and star power.
Rihanna is fading, Gaga is done, and Katy is gone (she will probably comeback and slay though).
Ariana is more like Demi, Nicki and the other cute pop girls.
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Originally posted by Darren
Work was obviously more popular than Applause, but your statement about people you know humming the songs is laughable and more importantly not quantifiable.
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How else do the general public know about artists if not by knowing their songs? They aren't stans like us who use stats like weeks in the top 10 etc.
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Ariana
Ariana
Ariana
Ariana
Ariana
Honorable mentions to Beyonce
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
How else do the general public know about artists if not by knowing their songs? They aren't stans like us who use stats like weeks in the top 10 etc.
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When you can show me a Billboard chart that measures 'cultural impact' or what the 'general public' likes, get back to me. Until then I would like to use actual receipts, because I don't take humming as proof that one era was bigger than one that produced more record sales (albums AND singles).
Your handful of friends also make up an insignificant portion of the population.
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Originally posted by Darren
Does someone want to explain to me why Rihanna's 3rd or 4th biggest era is on par, sales wise, with Gaga's biggest flop?
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Maybe because the old ways of pure sales are near enough dead and streaming has taken over?
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
If you're going to discredit RIAA, you might as well take away most of Gaga's certifications while you're at it. If they'd sell out their reputation for Rih, who says they haven't for other artists?
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The difference is that Gaga actually sold her singles and albums. Rih took the easy road, so RIAA nd RIH both lost credibility.
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Originally posted by Darren
When you can show me a Billboard chart that measures 'cultural impact' or what the 'general public' likes, get back to me. Until then I would like to use actual receipts, because I don't take humming as proof that one era was bigger than one that produced more record sales (albums AND singles).
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I cannot obviously. Good thing Rihanna has both.
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It would be Rih then Ari
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Originally posted by Darren
When you can show me a Billboard chart that measures 'cultural impact' or what the 'general public' likes, get back to me. Until then I would like to use actual receipts, because I don't take humming as proof that one era was bigger than one that produced more record sales (albums AND singles).
Your handful of friends also make up an insignificant portion of the population.
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What about an album that spent 10 more weeks in the top ten than other?
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
Maybe because the old ways of pure sales are near enough dead and streaming has taken over?
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Beyoncé, Adele, Taylor, Drake, and Justin Bieber say hi.
I thought Rihanna was on their level?
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Camila
Normani
Dinah
Lauren
Ariana Grande
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Originally posted by robotdanger
The difference is that Gaga actually sold her singles and albums. Rih took the easy road, so RIAA nd RIH both lost credibility.
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Why are you picking at Rih out of all the artists who are benefiting from these new rules?
Matter of fact you shouldn't be blaming any artist at all. The industry has changed, deal with it.
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Rihanna is the correct answer although Ariana could punch one of those girls out in her next era if done right
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Originally posted by robotdanger
The difference is that Gaga actually sold her singles and albums. Rih took the easy road, so RIAA nd RIH both lost credibility.
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Fair enough. But even if you do take away the 1 million 'bought' copies, the sales are still not too tragic. The fact that Rihanna was number 1 on the hot 100 for 9 weeks, only 1 more away from WFL shows that Rihanna is selling singles, seeing as nobody else overtook her, no?
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Rihanna and Lady Gaga have both sold more than Katy, have had more impact, and are more respected in the industry. Gaga is also worth more and has grossed more on tour than her.
Ariana isn't a main pop girl in any way, shape, or form.
The main pop girls are Taylor, Rihanna, Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, and Adele. They're the ones people pay attention to, they're the ones with the power, they're the ones with the influence (though you could argue Katy is a stretch since she's the lowest selling, least respected, and least impactful of the group). It's as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
Fair enough. But even if you do take away the 1 million 'bought' copies, the sales are still not too tragic. The fact that Rihanna was number 1 on the hot 100 for 9 weeks, only 1 more away from WFL shows that Rihanna is selling singles, seeing as nobody else overtook her, no?
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Technically she's not selling singles, she's streaming singles. "Work" was #1 for so long because of streaming.
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Originally posted by Rihorse#1fan
What about an album that spent 10 more weeks in the top ten than other?
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Anti spent 9 weeks in the top ten of Top Album Sales (using the same metrics that Gaga had to work with, if you want to keep things fair) in Q1, a traditionally slow period for album sales.
ARTPOP spent 3 weeks in the top ten in Q4, the busiest sales period of the year. Only blockbuster albums can spend over 5 weeks in the top ten in that period. ARTPOP was obviously not a blockbuster album.
This is very obviously the reason why Anti had a "better" chart run since it's sold significantly less than ARTPOP!
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Originally posted by Humunukuapua
Fair enough. But even if you do take away the 1 million 'bought' copies, the sales are still not too tragic. The fact that Rihanna was number 1 on the hot 100 for 9 weeks, only 1 more away from WFL shows that Rihanna is selling singles, seeing as nobody else overtook her, no?
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Yeah Rihanna is a Hot 100 beast. Ngl. I just don't like how people try to make ANTi something its not, and then bash ARTPOP like it was some sort of disaster when they actually are very similar eras.
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Originally posted by Darren
Beyoncé, Adele, Taylor, Drake, and Justin Bieber say hi.
I thought Rihanna was on their level?
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Adele is a phenomenon. Something none of our faves have reached in terms of separate album sales for 21 and 25. Taylor has always been a huge albums artist also, and also came off her huge commercially-safe Max Martin produced album, which also happened to be very heavily promoted.
Justin Bieber has had to do so much grovelling to get back on the side of the GP, and add that to the multiple promo he has done, and how commercially friendly his album is, it's not surprise.
Beyonce is near to a phenomenon also, she has consistently sold more than Rihanna and most pop artists. No surprise there.
Drake is also huge right now! Though a bit off topic seeing as we're talking pop girls, no?
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Technically she's not selling singles, she's streaming singles. "Work" was #1 for so long because of streaming.
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That says more about the fact that sales are dead then. Why else would it have stayed number 1? There were plenty of other songs which could have overtaken it.
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Originally posted by robotdanger
Yeah Rihanna is a Hot 100 beast. Ngl. I just don't like how people try to make ANTi something its not, and then bash ARTPOP like it was some sort of disaster when they actually are very similar eras.
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Exactly.
People forget that ARTPOP is only seen as a failure because the media wanted to spin it like it was from the day Applause came out. Comparisons to Katy. Comparisons to Eminem. Comparisons to Born This Way.
Stats wise, accounting for the growth in streaming and looking at the album sales, ARTPOP and Anti are nearly 100% on par.
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