writing and producing count as artistic merit only if the result of it has an artistic value. Simple as that.
Whitney is a legend because her songs are much more known than Mariahs.
And why do you think Im grasping at straws? Lol You are the one fumming at me for what I think, not the other way around
Who is to judge an artists' writing/producing as artistically credible? You? The Madonna stan who has a history of being so in denial over Mariah that you even refuse to acknowledge her status and impact as a vocalist? Great know. The people that matter have already acknowledged Mariah and her artistic merit, so the opinion of a music snob like you really doesn't hold any value.
Look at my post below. It's true that Whitney had massive songs that were known worldwide but Mariah had globally popular songs as well. In fact, she has 4 songs on the All-Time Global Charts.
Why would I be fuming? It's not like you said anything credible or fume-worthy for me to be mad. Fuming would indicate that you hit a nerve by talking about a sensitive/true topics, what you're doing is rather funny. It's cute watching you come up with excuses out of your behind instead of some valid points.
It's too bad the charts disagree. Glad to know your biased opinion isn't any type of official factual thing like sales, charts, and awards.
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"Notoriously known songs":
- Without You (her biggest hit world wide; #81 Global All Time Chart - 9.250.000 points)
- Fantasy (#234 Global All Time Chart - 7.177.000 points)
- One Sweet Day (#257 Global All Time Chart - 6.934.000 points)
- All I Want For Christmas Is You (#313 Global All Time Chart - 6.422.000 points)
"Significant influence on music as an art form (creating, pioneering or shaping genres etc.)"
Popularizing Melisma
- "Her mastery of melisma, the fluttering strings of notes that decorate songs like "Vision of Love," inspired the entire American Idol vocal school, for better or worse, and virtually every other female R&B singer since the Nineties." - Rollingstones
"Carey is the most influential vocal stylist of the last two decades, the person who made rococo melismatic singing—the trick of embroidering syllables with multiple no-o-o-o-o-o-tes—the ubiquitous pop style. Exhibit A is American Idol, which has often played out as a clash of melisma-mad Mariah wannabes. And, today, nearly 20 years after Carey's debut, major labels continue to bet the farm on young stars such as the winner of Britain's X Factor show *, Leona Lewis, with her Generation Next gloss on Mariah's big voice and big hair." - Slant
"Fantasy Remix" and the pioneering of the Pop Diva/Rapper collaboration that has now become the norm:
I wonder, how does Whitney fare in this category?
Charts disagree? Maybe in the US and Japan. Then I just have to be grateful that I dont live there
Anyway, the "popularizing" of melisma has nothing to do with shaping, pioneering or creating a genre or influence the music as an art form. I already stated that she is a successful vocalist, very much like Celine. She just is a (very bad) vocal influence on some of the kids who want to try their luck in cheap reality shows as American Idol. Nothing to be proud of tbh.
Btw, she has not pioneered the Pop diva/Rapper collabs. People like Mary J. Blige were doing that long before Mariah.
The American Idol vocal school tho who of you dear lambs wrote that?
Well of course. Studies have shown that the average person associates the word "Legend" with the one and only Legend X.
along with the names Whitney Houston, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley.
Mariah Carey is NO legend to the General Public, its a proven fact! She herself doesn't even like being refer to anything that is gonna make her feel old
Charts disagree? Maybe in the US and Japan. Then I just have to be grateful that I dont live there
Anyway, the "popularizing" of melisma has nothing to do with shaping, pioneering or creating a genre or influence the music as an art form. I already stated that she is a successful vocalist, very much like Celine. She just is a (very bad) vocal influence on some of the kids who want to try their luck in cheap reality shows as American Idol. Nothing to be proud of tbh.
Btw, she has not pioneered the Pop diva/Rapper collabs. People like Mary J. Blige were doing that long before Mariah.
The American Idol vocal school tho who of you dear lambs wrote that?
But this the whole point. You don't like her vocal style naturally you wouldn't consider her a legend or give her any artistic credit. Whitney did nothing with her voice to pioneer a genre other than belt which is exactly what Mariah did yet you consider her a legend (based off of a cover song).
A LEGEND who has a huge distinct identity , She truly presents the Real female Empowerment in terms of Vocal and musical creative talents in contrast to others who took the lame sexuality acts . Her Formula of " fantasy remix " revolutionaries the genere of pop-hip hop , no one before her managed to have that impact, that thing among so many achievements
Anyway, the "popularizing" of melisma has nothing to do with shaping, pioneering or creating a genre or influence the music as an art form.
The popularizing of a vocal style that has impacted the way vocalists have been expressing their musical talent does not qualify as an "influence on music as an art form"?
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She just is a (very bad) vocal influence on some of the kids who want to try their luck in cheap reality shows as American Idol. Nothing to be proud of tbh.
The American Idol vocal school tho who of you dear lambs wrote that?
What the heck is a bad vocal influence? What does that even mean? What are you even talking about at this point?
And no, the lambs did not write those articles, Slant and Rolling Stone employees did. Nice try though.
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along with the names Whitney Houston, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley.
Well of course. No one has had the impact close to what Prince, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, and more importantly, Legend X, have had on music. I thought it was a well known fact.
The popularizing of a vocal style that has impacted the way vocalists have been expressing their musical talent does not qualify as an "influence on music as an art form"?
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You guys cannot be absolutely serious when you say Mariah isn't a Legend.
She is a Legend, no discussion or questions asked. While she has not made a huge impact like Madonna, she is up par to leagues of Celine and Whitney, and there's no way to deny that.
Legendary without question. Even ignoring her enormous commercial success, look at all the acts shes inspired. How many trends she's layed out in the biz over the years, how many singers all over the world aspire to sing like her, how incredible recognizable her unique vocal stylizings are.
She is a Legend, no discussion or questions asked. While she has not made a huge impact like Madonna, she is up par to leagues of Celine and Whitney, and there's no way to deny that.
Maybe not in Pop Culture, but as a musician and a songwritter she's had massive impact all over the world.
She's an icon, and a legend.
Ugh I can't believe these basic ignorant ass bitches have me defending Xtina's nemesis
Charts disagree? Maybe in the US and Japan. Then I just have to be grateful that I dont live there
Anyway, the "popularizing" of melisma has nothing to do with shaping, pioneering or creating a genre or influence the music as an art form. I already stated that she is a successful vocalist, very much like Celine. She just is a (very bad) vocal influence on some of the kids who want to try their luck in cheap reality shows as American Idol. Nothing to be proud of tbh.
Btw, she has not pioneered the Pop diva/Rapper collabs. People like Mary J. Blige were doing that long before Mariah.
The American Idol vocal school tho who of you dear lambs wrote that?
You notice when the whole thread disagrees it's usually you sounding and looking a mess. Give it up.
There's no point in telling you anything when you're the only one who believes elsewise and everyone else continues to claim she's a Legend.
i always find it strange when people try to claim mariah isn't a legend, she's literally one of the most successful and influential female artists of all time.