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Discussion: Why is Taylor Swift the bad guy?
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Originally posted by SilverSky
Because Adele is NOT sitting at #1 on the Celebrity 100. Adele has not been the top earner in music which Taylor has been at least 3 times. Top seller and top earner are totally different. Taylor Swift was the top EARNER in music by far and #2 in sales, Adele was #1 in sales but she was like 8 or 9th in earnings. Taylor is either 1 or 2 in EVERYTHING music related.
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Ok she may be more successful than Adele but you said that we hate on Taylor because she slays our faves in their own game but how come Adele isn't hated AT ALL when she's more successful than 99.9% of our faves?
I can understand your argument, but I don't think that's enough to explain all this hate Taylor has been getting, the world is full of really successful and loved women
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Some of y'all need psychological help. Two biggest reaches of all time here.
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She associates herself with Lena Dunham, who sexually abused her littler sister.
And hundreds upon hundreds of women of color have criticized her feminism for being racist and inclusive solely to privileged, middle class white women.
Or are we going to negate their voices for "the lordD ha power1!!" ?
Y'all are so up these celebrities' asses. Yikes.
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Originally posted by WeFoundTrouble
Taylor even spoke about this once. When someone is successful, but has no negative traits, people begin to speculate and formulate their own opinion of how that person is, despite not knowing a damn thing about them.
Taylor isn't evil at all to me. Even if every damn thing y'all have ever said about her was true.
She wasn't evil for lying to Kanye, the same way Kanye isn't evil to y'all for interrupting her.
She wasn't "evil" to Katy; and I don't really know why everyone makes such a big deal of that, she never name dropped Katy or intended for any hate to be sent her way. 
She wasn't evil for anything she's done to Calvin - in fact, she's been pretty much silent these past 3/4 weeks.
She wasn't evil to any of her exes. The worst song she's written is Dear John, and that's just a song full of her expressing her sadness. It's no different from Last Kiss or All Too Well.
I'll never understand why people think she's evil.
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This. The bolded part is so, so true. There is no proof or actual reason to believe Taylor is this awful person people act like she is on here, so people create conspiracy theories to talk themselves into believing the lies they've made up. Think about it.... "she's staging those paparazzi pics!" "she's trying to destroy katy's career!" "Her relationship is fake!" "she cheated on Calvin!" "She's so clearly fake and MUST be a bitch behind the scenes!" It's all senseless accusations based on no actual evidence.
If you don't like the fact that Taylor writes songs about her relationships, and can be brutally honest about them (she doesn't publicly confirm who they're about, but people speculate and draw conclusions), that's one thing. I get how that can rub people the wrong way....it's literally what she's done since the start of her career, writing about boys and friends in high school....it's just that now, the people she's writing about are also in the industry instead of high school, and they're also well known. I admire that, but I get how some people might see it as a bit harsh at times.
But that aside, all of the other accusations I've seen on here are such BS.
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Originally posted by mdnazn
She associates herself with Lena Dunham, who sexually abused who littler sister.
And hundreds upon hundreds of women of color have criticized her feminism for being racist and inclusive solely to privileged, middle class white women.
Or are we going to negate their voices for "the lordD ha power1!!" ?
Y'all are so up these celebrities' asses. Yikes.
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Screaming at hundreds upon hundreds.
You're so far up your own ass if you genuinely think Taylor Swift is a racist. Her feminism is centered around the issues she faces, yes, and even we as her fans know that it's flawed; but it's definitely not racist. And I am a person of color who has no problem pointing out racist tendencies.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Do you hear yourself? You're literally forming an opinion based on conspiracy theories.
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Haha I don't form opinions... ever. I'm the last person who'd ever believe in conspiracy theories.
I know this as fact because (sounds douchey I know) but I do know people that not only know them but have worked with both of them, and yeah it was a fake relationship...
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Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆
Nicki called VMA lack of minorities support and Taylor took it as a chance to make herself the victim. But sadly for her Nicki clocked her and the media turned over her. You know what happened, no matter how you or the others swifties write essay after essay and "but why this or that?" to make her look better  |
How does the vma not support minorities when more than half of the nominees were Black artists 
Nicki just made an embarassing video that didn't deserve any nomination and her skin color didn't have anything to do with that
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Originally posted by Retro
Can you point me to exactly where Taylor Swift attempted to legitimately defame Calvin Harris?
Can you tell me what's wrong, regarding the "Tom fiasco," with a woman dating as she pleases? And please don't tell me it's okay to assume she was cheating.
I also don't see any issue with her Apple Music proceedings as a businesswoman who has opinions. I also don't see the problem with her hanging out with whomever she pleases, and I certainly don't think Lorde (for example) is a model or that all Taylor's "squad" are models. Even if they were, is this problematic because she associates with them or because society set up constraints that resulted in her making friends who happen to be, like her, famous?
What I'm seeing - and I don't mean to single you out, but you're traditionally one of my favorite members and one of the best posters on this forum - is a lot of hot air that's really hard to justify. It's been a while since I was personally very invested in Taylor, but I don't see any justification for the way people are talking about her. It's all a matter of perception, and quite honestly of wanting to find something wrong with someone who has done little wrong compared to many others.
The only thing I cannot personally justify is her behavior regarding Katy, and possibly some of her interaction with Nicki. The rest? I don't buy that she did anything wrong or that we can generalize her as some greedy, promiscuous woman (and assuming the latter is a problem in and of itself).
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Retro spilling the tea 
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That the Lord is a white feminist is not a reach
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Originally posted by robotdanger
Because Taylor tried to play the skinny, victimized, blonde white girl card like she did with Kanye after Nicki voiced her legitimate concerns regarding race in the media.
Too bad Nicki didn't stick to her guns and made a fool out of herself by performing with her at the VMAs..
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Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆
Nicki called VMA lack of minorities support and Taylor took it as a chance to make herself the victim. But sadly for her Nicki clocked her and the media turned over her. You know what happened, no matter how you or the others swifties write essay after essay and "but why this or that?" to make her look better |
The tweet Taylor saw was "when your video celebrates a bunch of skinny white women, you'll get a VOTY nomination". There was literally no other VOTY nominee that fit that description other than Taylor, she was the only white female in the nominees. Maybe she shouldn't have publicly said anything, but it makes sense that she would associate that with herself. Nicki literally went on two different rants on twitter, one being about thick body image and another being about race.
She didn't try to play anything with Kanye, Kanye was just a prick to her as he has always been.
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Originally posted by sball17_
I know this as fact
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Girl.
We can talk all day about whether or not Taylor is sufficiently inclusive in her feminism, or make a bigger deal over her association with Lena Dunham (disclaimer: I do not necessarily support Lena or claim she has done no wrong) than is probably necessary... but girl.
Not to discredit your sources or you, but this is extremely shaky at best. This isn't enough to claim her relationships are fake, let alone to then judge her for that.
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Originally posted by mdnazn
She associates herself with Lena Dunham, who sexually abused who littler sister.
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Is this true?
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Originally posted by Retro
Girl.
We can talk all day about whether or not Taylor is sufficiently inclusive in her feminism, or make a bigger deal over her association with Lena Dunham (disclaimer: I do not necessarily support Lena or claim she has done no wrong) than is probably necessary... but girl.
Not to discredit your sources or you, but this is extremely shaky at best. This isn't enough to claim her relationships are fake, let alone to then judge her for that.
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Retro is on a roll today
I can see how someone would think two big stars dating like that would be fake, but there's more than enough reason to believe that it's real (and it ending because the 1D fans/media/paparazzi/etc wouldn't give them an ounce of space and were basically rooting for it to fall apart) Especially given the songs on 1989 like Out of the Woods, I Know Places, etc.
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I adore Adele but you can't really compare them except their sales. They live completely different lives in completely different countries. Adele is a popular singer but I wouldn't really consider a celebrity. Paparazzis are huge and ****ing crazy in the US and Taylor is one of the biggest popstars in the world right now and she was recently named the most marketable celebrity. The media know her worth and will do anything to get a story and pictures of her. It's literal cash for them. If they don't get it (which they rarely do), they'll just mix a bit of truth with a lot of made up stuff to still get those clicks. People will eat it up because unfortunately even in 2016, people don't get that depending on the celebrity you can only trust a certain percentage of what they're writing. People are sharing it, leaving out certain (important) parts, the other people won't read the actual article (or the article was just really desperate anyway), maybe also twisting a few things and boom -> people are acting like Taylor killed the pope.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
The tweet Taylor saw was "when your video celebrates a bunch of skinny white women, you'll get a VOTY nomination". There was literally no other VOTY nominee that fit that description other than Taylor, she was the only white female in the nominees. Maybe she shouldn't have publicly said anything, but it makes sense that she would associate that with herself. Nicki literally went on two different rants on twitter, one being about thick body image and another being about race.
She didn't try to play anything with Kanye, Kanye was just a prick to her as he has
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But why is Taylor always the victim? The reason why people are "scrambling" to find something wrong is because it always seems like in every situation, she's the great crusader or she's being taken advantage of. Joe Jonas broke up over text, Katy stole her backup dancer, Calvin...idk what he even did... Nicki insulted her, Kanye bullies her. Like damn. I've never seen someone so successful and accomplished with such a victim complex. Just doesn't add up.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
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1) Taylor Swift is friendly with Lena Dunham.
2) Lena Dunham admits in Not That Kind of Girl to, in letting "curiosity get the best of her", having opened her infant sister's vagina when she was seven, subsequently noticing she had put pebbles in there and yelling for their mother.
These two items are facts and judgments may be drawn from them.
I'm not going to lie, even typing this was a bit difficult and it's hard to talk about Lena let alone absolve her of this, but whether we should apply our judgments to Taylor in this case is questionable to me. This was not something in which authorities were involved, Grace Dunham has not expressed condemnation of her sister, and perhaps it's indeed best for Taylor not to speak on this or get involved. It's a tougher issue than most, I'll say that much.
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Originally posted by Retro
Girl.
We can talk all day about whether or not Taylor is sufficiently inclusive in her feminism, or make a bigger deal over her association with Lena Dunham (disclaimer: I do not necessarily support Lena or claim she has done no wrong) than is probably necessary... but girl.
Not to discredit your sources or you, but this is extremely shaky at best. This isn't enough to claim her relationships are fake, let alone to then judge her for that.
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Trust me, I'd probably reply with the same exact thing if I were you (and thank you for actually being nice in your reply unlike others )
But when I say I know people, i mean like that directly worked with them. Day in day out at the time... Yeah Fact is fact. She is really and truly a manipulative smart smart girl and very motivated towards elevating her worldwide status, but also very narcissistic. A PR contract is a PR contract, but she stretched that, that's literally all I can say.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
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Yes, and boasted about it in her book. When she was called out, she blamed it on conservatives. 
And she still has a successful career and considered one the leading voices of modern feminism. Prime example of White privilege, the same privilege that has gotten Ms. Swift where she is today .
This is the woman that Ms. Swift's feminism is influenced by.
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Originally posted by opruh
Because atrl gays hates beautiful, successful, and talented woman. Plus Legend Taylor always gets hot guys, so atrl gays are definitely jealous.
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So why do we hate Taylor? 
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Originally posted by robotdanger
But why is Taylor always the victim? The reason why people are "scrambling" to find something wrong is because it always seems like in every situation, she's the great crusader or she's being taken advantage of. Joe Jonas broke up over text, Katy stole her backup dancer, Calvin...idk what he even did... Nicki insulted her, Kanye bullies her. Like damn. I've never seen someone so successful and accomplished with such a victim complex. Just doesn't add up.
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If someone does something to you, you're usually the victim 
Kanye DID bully her. Joe DID break up with her over a phone call. Nicki DID insult her. Katy DID try to sabotage her tour.
She's friends with Joe and performed with Nicki so obviously they worked over the issues. The other two are just plain mean lol
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Retro is on a roll today
I can see how someone would think two big stars dating like that would be fake, but there's more than enough reason to believe that it's real (and it ending because the 1D fans/media/paparazzi/etc wouldn't give them an ounce of space and were basically rooting for it to fall apart) Especially given the songs on 1989 like Out of the Woods, I Know Places, etc. |
A) I'm not just "thinking" this once again.
B) Songs CAN BE stories... #shocking #breakingnews
Last time I reply to you though as you seem to be rude in every reply you post. Appreciated your insight on who i am though lol. I tend to be nice to everyone even on this site, but some are unbearable.
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