And Janet is known as the greatest female dancer/performer of all time and she literally invented your fave as well as Paula, Aaliyah, Tinashe...
Cher is 10x the legend Britney is, stop. Believe remains more iconic (and a bigger hit) than any Britney song. Also Janet has outsold Tina. How can you say Tina is a "huge selling artist" but then say that Janet's "commercial failures" are the reason she is not a legend? A mess
Time makes a legend. Maybe you and the rest of the Army will have a point in 20 years (I doubt it) but as of now Britney is nowhere near a legend whereas Janet is a living, breathing legend
Cher is literally the Linda Ronstadt of the pop world, except she replaced the A-list connections with one big hit. Stop. Her music career is not even close to legendary.
If you'd take two seconds to read, you can see that I said that Janet is a legend. More than once. I just said that she's not as big of a legend globally as Britney Spears. I'm one of the few ATRLers that actually rooted for her comeback (despite dragging Lately 1814 and slobro) and considers her a global star.
I agree that public perception takes time because people look in the past with nostalgia (see: you arguing Cher is some giant musical legend). However, Led Zeppelin were legends in less than a decade. The Eagles were legends in less than a decade. Madonna was a legend in less than a decade. Janet was a legend in less than 15 years from the span of her first successful release (i.e. 1986). While Britney hasn't done anything nearly as successfully as LZ, TE or Madonna, why do we need to wait to brand Britney a legend when she's already the 6th most successful female artist ever, has impacted/influenced countless females, already 17 years in to her career, etc.?
Britney is more worldwide perhaps, but I think they're both on the same level.
as a fan of both I think that's disrespectful in a sense.
For instance, people might as well compare Aretha and Mary J. blige both legends in their own right but to place vs. is shameful.
This thread IMO was created because earlier this morning there was a couple threads where Britney was the winner and the OP didn't have a valid enough argument there so he proceeded to set this thread up so that someone gets the short end of the stick.
C'mon it's not right to do that more than it would be to use Beyonce vs. tina, Britney vs. Madonna or Jennifer lopez vs. Gloria Estefan.
Are you even serious? Britney LEGEND Spears, clearly. Janet is forever living in Michael's shadow. She doesn't even have impact. Britney's breakdown is more iconic than anything Michel's little sister has ever done.
I love Britney like all the rest of the queens but you guys seriously, seriously need to educate yourselves. It's getting to a point where it's almost nauseating. It's like arguing with 9-year olds.
Britney literally wouldn't exist without Janet. "She has no impact." Gurl Bye!
Not this decade, sis. His comments are overwhelmingly negative towards anything Britney does.
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And why does Britney being inspired by Janet make Britney less legendary? Pfft.
I've never understood that argument. If being inspired by an artist makes that artist more legendary, then does that mean that Grace Jones is a bigger legend than Madonna?
Or do we just negate every legacy that's been inspired by another artist? "Britney was inspired by Janet so she can't have impact." Well, Janet was inspired by Michael Jackson so then she can't have impact. Also, Michael Jackson was inspired by James Brown so he can't have impact. Etc. Their logic just doesn't make any sense
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It's just ironic. How Army could say she has no iconic looks, songs, performances when Britney herself has referenced her in EVERY single on of her projects. If that aint a legend, y'all don't know what is.
Only 20% of the 5 people that said Janet is not a legend were Army members.
Bitchcraft (a Mariah stan) and Lately 1814 (a Janetor and the head of her receipts thread) were the only people to say Janet didn't have certain things and they were clearly trolling.
I want to see legend Britney get this kind of reaction in her mid 40s + have these kind of dance skills still:
I will have the utter most respect for her if she does!
@Eternium: My comment wasnt directed towards you
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WTF ? Janet was the blueprint for Britney. That speaks volumes alone...
Nope.
You guys are confusing influence with blueprint.
A better example is Lil kim being the blueprint for Nicki Minaj where it wasn't just influence it was literally doing her stuff.
Britney like Usher and many artists from the 90s generation knew how to be influenced and make it their own thing.
Britney was influenced by Michael, Janet, Madonna and Paula but she was still her own. She didn't copy and paste which has gone on in the current generation alot.
Britney did not take BOMt, Oops, Not a girl, Everytime, and so many other things from Janet/Madonna/Michael/Paula but you could tell those people inspired her in performing and entertaining
that and she also would always mention how Madonna, Janet and Michael inspired her.
She was still her own entertainer/performer/artist.
The landslide of votes Personally, I believe Janet has been a certified legend for over a decade now, whereas Britney is just reaching legend status, and could lose that title over time (but I doubt she will)!
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Janet gets more recurrent airplay than Britney in the UK despite being local
Britney Spears
Records sales
Hits
Global
Impact
Acclaim
Classics
$100 million grossing tour
Iconic performances
Iconic videos
Iconic outfits
Iconic hair
Iconic pictures
Iconic iconography
Legendary fans
Influence
Remembered hits
Classic albums
Iconic albums
BOMT
Blackout
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Janet. If anything, Britney is a testament to her legacy.
This is actually very true. This is why I love ya, you never let bias for those you stan for get in the way of your posts.
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Janet's titty is literally more iconic & influential than all of these things combined but you tried. I thought you were a stan
True, one of the most iconic moments in pop music history
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Are you even serious? Britney LEGEND Spears, clearly. Janet is forever living in Michael's shadow. She doesn't even have impact. Britney's breakdown is more iconic than anything Michel's little sister has ever done.
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Britney is INNOVATIVE
Britney is REVOLUTIONARY
!!!!!!!
you're username is such a fitting word to describe you, tbh
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Even Stevie Wonder could see that you're trolling...
I shouldn't have laughed at this
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The Army stays talking about sales in threads about legendary status and impact.
No one cares about her sales & sales don't make a legend.
I def agree, sales don't make a legend. I do think Britney has reached the beginning stage of a legend tho. I just believe Janet is more legendary, by far!
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Yeah I think the OP didn't have a great argument in another thread relating to this topic and decided to make a thread out of it.
I can't believe this is a topic tbh
My argument was valid, sis. I never denied that Britney is a huge influence on many artists of our generation, because she is!
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Wow. I can't understand y'all.
Britney is an icon. That goes without out saying.
But to say Janet Jackson is neither an icon nor a legend is just down right stupid. Especially considering your fave's career was extremely influenced by Janet herself.
This photo alone is iconic
These albums alone are enough to call her a legend
This is like the if the Hive were to say Tina Turner and Diana Ross are not legends due to the tour gross and sales even though they clearly are Bey's largest influences.
Like....
It's threads like this that make it impossible to take the Army seriously, especially considering who and what you stan for
The tea in this post. I couldn't agree more with every aspect of it, tbh. Legend J
Cher is literally the Linda Ronstadt of the pop world, except she replaced the A-list connections with one big hit. Stop. Her music career is not even close to legendary.
If you'd take two seconds to read, you can see that I said that Janet is a legend. More than once. I just said that she's not as big of a legend globally as Britney Spears. I'm one of the few ATRLers that actually rooted for her comeback (despite dragging Lately 1814 and slobro) and considers her a global star.
I agree that public perception takes time because people look in the past with nostalgia (see: you arguing Cher is some giant musical legend). However, Led Zeppelin were legends in less than a decade. The Eagles were legends in less than a decade. Madonna was a legend in less than a decade. Janet was a legend in less than 15 years from the span of her first successful release (i.e. 1986). While Britney hasn't done anything nearly as successfully as LZ, TE or Madonna, why do we need to wait to brand Britney a legend when she's already the 6th most successful female artist ever, has impacted/influenced countless females, already 17 years in to her career, etc.?
Couple of questions and comments for you here:
1. @ you cosigning yourself dragging anyone.
2. Can you post some international publications that recognize Britney as a legend (and preferably credible ones)?
3. If Britney hasn't exist, what wouldn't artists be doing that they do now because of Britney?
Together Again was released before the era of Napster... and people getting computers which started to happen around the 1999. Views now are nice to haves but they don't tell the story the previous impact. Together Again was a dance song released at a time when no one was releasing EDM kind of material at the time in the US. It was seen as a risky choice. Then it hit #1 on the HOT 100 in early 1998. Half the songs on VR people have lifted in one form or another.
Normally I love the Hive, but lately y'all have been jumping on ANY and EVERY opportunity to discredit Britney. It's so extra.
OT: Janet is the bigger legend as of right now, although it is true that many young people aren't familiar with her. I've had to educate many friends on why she is a legend. She's severely underrated and, unfortunately, forgotten by many.
I love Britney like all the rest of the queens but you guys seriously, seriously need to educate yourselves. It's getting to a point where it's almost nauseating. It's like arguing with 9-year olds.
Britney literally wouldn't exist without Janet. "She has no impact." Gurl Bye!
Yeah I can't co sign with my fellow Army members saying Janet had no impact.
Like WTH
Unlike Madonna who I love and respect Janet naturally reinvented her look/style and sound without relying on controversy which is what Madonna did.
Janet gave any female that performs a guide as to how to reinvent yourself musically and visually and have the focus be on the great material.
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Britney is a part of Janet's LEGACY..
Britney is a Legend but not on the same Level as Janet who influenced and shaped the music industry as it is today.
Britney should be receiving ICON awards and LEGEND Awards.
True which is why it's an insult that this thread is started but it's designed to make Britney lose as she won in recent threads.
I don't think any CURRENT LEGEND OR ICON should even be in the same conversation as the pioneers like Aretha, Diana, Barbra, Elvis, Michael, Prince, Janet, Mariah, Madonna, Whitney, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Rolling stones, etc.
like how dare someone vs. them against anyone that has less than 20 years in the game.
Wow that was supposed to be tea? 2 seconds on a tour and one scene from a remix video.
that said, I can't believe this thread exists as it's disrespectful to both but I understand that whenever a Britney thread wins other threads are created designed for her to lose.
doesn't take away from Janet's amazing career or Britney being the 6th most successful female artist of all time.
In before Madonna vs. Britney thread smh
I can assure you that this thread wasn't made with the intention of "making her lose". Yes, the other thread sparked the idea for this thread, because I was baffled by how people could say Britney has had more influence than Janet. To me, I thought comparing Britney and J as individuals, though, was a very reasonable comparison, seeing as they're among the top five biggest female pop stars of all time and each tower over the other in different aspects of each owns career. Regardless of which of the two may be more "legendary" it doesn't change the fact that they are both close to equal as far as being legendary, but given Janet has been around more than a decade longer than Britney, it makes Janet much more of a legend imo.
Cher is literally the Linda Ronstadt of the pop world, except she replaced the A-list connections with one big hit. Stop. Her music career is not even close to legendary.
If you'd take two seconds to read, you can see that I said that Janet is a legend. More than once. I just said that she's not as big of a legend globally as Britney Spears. I'm one of the few ATRLers that actually rooted for her comeback (despite dragging Lately 1814 and slobro) and considers her a global star.
I agree that public perception takes time because people look in the past with nostalgia (see: you arguing Cher is some giant musical legend). However, Led Zeppelin were legends in less than a decade. The Eagles were legends in less than a decade. Madonna was a legend in less than a decade. Janet was a legend in less than 15 years from the span of her first successful release (i.e. 1986). While Britney hasn't done anything nearly as successfully as LZ, TE or Madonna, why do we need to wait to brand Britney a legend when she's already the 6th most successful female artist ever, has impacted/influenced countless females, already 17 years in to her career, etc.?
And Linda Ronstadt is a legend so I'm not seeing your point. Cher does have a legendary music career. Sonny & Cher is iconic, I Got You Babe is iconic, If I Could Turn Back Time is iconic, Believe is iconic, Cher in general is a huge legend and one of the most famous women in entertainment history. Like, she literally has an Academy Award for Best Actress How can you deny her legacy
And again, it makes zero sense to claim that Janet's "commercial failures" make her less of a legend than Britney when Janet's album sales are barely 10m behind Britney's yet her contributions to music and entertainment are triple that of Britney's. Janet could have retired after Rhythm Nation and still had more influence than Britney's entire career
And no, Madonna was not a legend in 1993 and Janet was not a legend in 2001. They were both established icons. They solidified their legacy over the coming decade(s). Not enough time has passed for Britney to be considered a legend by the gp. Most of them still consider her a joke no shade. It doesn't help that she's still releasing songs like Pretty Girls
His comments are overwhelmingly negative towards anything Britney does.
Personally, I believe Janet has been a certified legend for over a decade now, whereas Britney is just reaching legend status, and could lose that title over time (but I doubt she will)!
