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Poll: Is Shakira More Global Than MOST of the Pop Girls?
View Poll Results: Is she?
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Yes.
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No.
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Member Since: 3/14/2009
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Originally posted by Duca
WW peaks for Britney's last album and Shakira's last two albums and only her English singles, since I'm being nice.
#2 Femme Fatale
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Seriously, y'all are delusional.
To the people saying Britney is more global than Shakira (Britney?!?!): What did FF sell outside the US? 400-500k? Sale el Sol sold 2,5 million copies outside the US, UK, Australia, Japan and Canada. How is that not a bigger worldwide feat than what your sells there? That's bitter. I can't with the Britney stans on this.
Here's the truth. Shakira is more global than everyone except Lady Gaga and Rihanna. Madonna sells concerts now, not albums. People are over her new music, they just wanna see her perform her old mega hits.
Lady Gaga is bigger because she is still benefiting from the "it"-girl factor she has had since like 2008. Rihanna is amazing, but people's interest in her singles and albums are decreasing for some reason.
Shakira has had this global status since 2002, and has more "likes" on Facebook than even Lady Gaga. That says a hell of a lot about Shakira's status and relevance in the world.
Also, to those that keep reminding us that the US has a large population: What are you on about? Countries are counted in this, not the population of select countries. I can't with the Beyoncé stans on this.
And if you live in a country where you feel Shakira's relevance more than someone else's, why should you have a receipt for that? A relevant article about that? What makes you think there is an article about that? As if there aren't more pressing subjects for journalists to write about. And charts can speak for popularity, but it can sure as hell also speak for lack of and extreme promotion and investment.
Y'all are really pressing my buttons with your bitter stanning, especially the one's mentioning Britney's recent "career".
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Member Since: 10/16/2005
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
'At one point' 'Back then'.
We are talking about NOW, are we not? Britney used to be huge in the UK but NOW she's irrelevant here, just like Shakira is in the US, Canada, Oceania and several parts of Asia. Things change.
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Her last major U.S. success was with the "She Wolf" song in 2009, which peaked at #11 in the U.S. It went platinum, along with "Waka Waka" (2010). Since then, she has been touring. That's less than 3 years. I'm not digging back an entire decade. Is your attention span really that short?
It's like you only operate in extremes and have no ability to process the difficulty in selling yourself and your music in a language that is not even your native tongue. For someone who is creating music in a language that is not even her first language, she has done reasonably well in countries where English is the dominant language.
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Member Since: 12/15/2009
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Originally posted by vuelve88
What is your problem?
She has been successful in those regions. You are pretending like she's an utter failure in the U.S., Canada, and the UK. At one point she even had the title of the most played song on U.S. radio ("Hips Don't Lie"). "She Wolf" peaked at #11 in the U.S. "Waka Waka" is platinum in the U.S. She has had hits in the UK.
I'm not sure why you are giving her such a difficult time. She's the only top Pop star whose native language is not English.
When's the last time any of your faves have learned a 3rd language, written their own lyrics in that language, and had large scale success in the appropriate region?
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preach.
Don't forget those co-production credits!
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Member Since: 4/23/2011
Posts: 16,377
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Of course she is. People on ATRL (mainly ones from Anglo countries who have a limited view of the world, but like pretending they're aware) keep insisting she's an unknown all over the world when the reality is that she's huge. No wonder they're shocked when she surpasses their faves social media rankings.
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Originally posted by Joster
In asia, specially India she sells.
I mean in India she is a goddess.
There are many arabic countries in Asia...Asia isn't China and Japan. BYE
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India is not an Arabic country. It's not even in the Middle East. But yes, she is well-known in most of Asia. Most people on ATRL are very uneducated and think East Asia = Asia.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Regardless Britney is bigger than she is in Asia.
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Britney is not big in Asia. South Korea is not Asia.
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Originally posted by OnlyManInTheWorld
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What's with the reaction? Last time I checked the country in question has a second largest population in the world and having any sales in a country where bootlegging is normal especially when you're a foreign artist is a huge feat. Let's see when your fave will be able to do the same.
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Member Since: 1/27/2012
Posts: 331
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Pies Descalzos 3,000,000
The Remixes 750,000
¿Dónde Están los Ladrones? 3,500,000
Laundry Service 13,000,000
Oral Fixation Vol. 2 5,000,000
Fijación Oral Vol. 1 4,000,000
MTV Unplugged 3,000,000
Grandes Éxitos 2,500,000
She Wolf / Loba 800,000
Sale El Sol 1,600,000
Total Album Sales 37,150,000
If Shakira is so much BIGGER worldwide why has she only sold 37-40 million albums with 8 albums (4 in the digital age)? Britney has sold DOUBLE that much. Gaga is nearing that total with only 3 proper releases.
Averaging 3-4 millions albums sold per album.
Tour of the Mongoose (31 Shows) $23,600,000
Oral Fixation (51 Shows) $49,900,000
The Sun Comes Out World Tour (47 Shows) $39,900,000
She's averaging out less than 1 million per show with some of these tours, according to Pollstar.
She only has 8 WORLDWIDE top tens according to Mediatraffic.
Facebook Likes aren't everything.
This so called English-speaking country mentality could be twisted around as well if you live in a Country Shakira is big in so don't use it.
Is Shakira a big Worldwide star? Yes. Is she the biggest worldwide? No.
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Member Since: 7/29/2010
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Originally posted by Beyond The Fierce
No, her Global appeal is incredibly overrated. She's sold 37 million albums and only has 8 top ten hits according to Mediatraffic.
I'd give it to Gaga or Britney.
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gurl, Whats more important ... 7 TOP TEN or 2 #1's world wide hits.. ???
Shakira and Madonna are the only ones(popGirls) to have more than 1 #1 hit WW ..
deal with it
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Member Since: 7/29/2010
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I can't at this thread .... hahahahha
it has now become Beyonce vs. Shakira .. again??
why can't the Beyhive like Shakira for ones?? :| .. why are they so pressed about Shaki's success?
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Member Since: 7/29/2010
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Originally posted by Usher
Shakira dominates whole Asia, Britney is never bigger than Shakira @Asia right now LOL
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Teh King has spilled the tea
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Member Since: 4/23/2011
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Originally posted by Beyond The Fierce
Pies Descalzos 3,000,000
The Remixes 750,000
¿Dónde Están los Ladrones? 3,500,000
Laundry Service 13,000,000
Oral Fixation Vol. 2 5,000,000
Fijación Oral Vol. 1 4,000,000
MTV Unplugged 3,000,000
Grandes Éxitos 2,500,000
She Wolf / Loba 800,000
Sale El Sol 1,600,000
Total Album Sales 37,150,000
If Shakira is so much BIGGER worldwide why has she only sold 37-40 million albums with 8 albums (4 in the digital age)? Britney has sold DOUBLE that much. Gaga is nearing that total with only 3 proper releases.
Averaging 3-4 millions albums sold per album.
Tour of the Mongoose (31 Shows) $23,600,000
Oral Fixation (51 Shows) $49,900,000
The Sun Comes Out World Tour (47 Shows) $39,900,000
She's averaging out less than 1 million per show with some of these tours, according to Pollstar.
She only has 8 WORLDWIDE top tens according to Mediatraffic.
Facebook Likes aren't everything.
This so called English-speaking country mentality could be twisted around as well if you live in a Country Shakira is big in so don't use it.
Is Shakira a big Worldwide star? Yes. Is she the biggest worldwide? No.
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I never said she's the biggest worldwide. Edited or not, the title says "more global than most of the pop girls," which is correct. So many stans on ATRL want to pretend their faves are well-known worldwide when they're really not.
And you already know the answer to why she can't sell as much. If one artist able to sell in a few places where legal music has a huge market and another artist sells decently in more places where legal music sales has a small market, of course the former artist will sell more, but who's more well-known? Remember that it's free to like a page on the Internet, not to buy concert tickets or albums.
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Member Since: 7/29/2010
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Originally posted by Georges
According to you, SES sold double
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exactly SES its getting close to 2.5 million WW
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Beyond The Fierce
Pies Descalzos 3,000,000
The Remixes 750,000
¿Dónde Están los Ladrones? 3,500,000
Laundry Service 13,000,000
Oral Fixation Vol. 2 5,000,000
Fijación Oral Vol. 1 4,000,000
MTV Unplugged 3,000,000
Grandes Éxitos 2,500,000
She Wolf / Loba 800,000
Sale El Sol 1,600,000
Total Album Sales 37,150,000
If Shakira is so much BIGGER worldwide why has she only sold 37-40 million albums with 8 albums (4 in the digital age)? Britney has sold DOUBLE that much. Gaga is nearing that total with only 3 proper releases.
Averaging 3-4 millions albums sold per album.
Tour of the Mongoose (31 Shows) $23,600,000
Oral Fixation (51 Shows) $49,900,000
The Sun Comes Out World Tour (47 Shows) $39,900,000
She's averaging out less than 1 million per show with some of these tours, according to Pollstar.
She only has 8 WORLDWIDE top tens according to Mediatraffic.
Facebook Likes aren't everything.
This so called English-speaking country mentality could be twisted around as well if you live in a Country Shakira is big in so don't use it.
Is Shakira a big Worldwide star? Yes. Is she the biggest worldwide? No.
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Those numbers are such ********.
More like this:
The Remixes 1,000,000
¿Dónde Están los Ladrones? 8,000,000 (officially they say 10,000,000)
Laundry Service 15-16,000,000
Oral Fixation Vol. 2 7,000,000 (officially they say 8,000,000)
Fijación Oral Vol. 1 5,000,000
MTV Unplugged 7,000,000
Grandes Éxitos 2,500,000
She Wolf / Loba 1,800,000
Sale El Sol 2,600,000
How's that compared to:
Dangerously in Love 8,000,000
B'Day 4-5,000,000
I Am... Sasha Fierce 5-6,000,000
4 2,000,000
And what are you implying with those tour stats? She has 2 world tours that have earned in over 100 million each.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by vuelve88
Her last major U.S. success was with the "She Wolf" song in 2009, which peaked at #11 in the U.S. It went platinum, along with "Waka Waka" (2010). Since then, she has been touring. That's less than 3 years. I'm not digging back an entire decade. Is your attention span really that short?
It's like you only operate in extremes and have no ability to process the difficulty in selling yourself and your music in a language that is not even your native tongue. For someone who is creating music in a language that is not even her first language, she has done reasonably well in countries where English is the dominant language.
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I really don't give a **** if English isn't her first language. That is not the point here.
And receipts from 2008 & 2009 IS digging back, it's like Beyonce stans using IASF's single receipts when people say she hasn't reached the top 10 in 2 years or Britney stans using Circus' album sales and so on.
We are talking about NOW and peaking outside the top 10 isn't anything to write home about anyway. The same goes for 'Waka Waka' which couldn't even crack the top 30 and barely went platinum, along with the fact that her U.S album sales as of late are absolutely terrible.
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Originally posted by Acclaimed
Seriously, y'all are delusional.
To the people saying Britney is more global than Shakira (Britney?!?!): What did FF sell outside the US? 400-500k? Sale el Sol sold 2,5 million copies outside the US, UK, Australia, Japan and Canada. How is that not a bigger worldwide feat than what your sells there? That's bitter. I can't with the Britney stans on this.:
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Which are ALL part of WORLDWIDE. You can't just exclude them just because Shakira is irrelevant NOW in all those places.
Shakira is irrelevant in TWO whole continents and barely relevant in another. How does that not matter?
You guys do the absolute most when it comes to her on here.
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Originally posted by Inverted
Britney is not big in Asia.
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I was unaware that you lived in every single part of Asia to know that, her STATS say otherwise.
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Japan and South Korea are not Asia.
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And when did i say they were?
You must have missed this post:
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How do you know exactly?
What exactly are you going off?
Britney is still huge in Asia as the FF era did well in several asian countries like South Korea, Philippines, Hong Kong, UAE, Malaysia (where it's the fastest selling album of all time), Taiwan, turkey, lebanan, etc.
Japan is the only asian country she's not THAT big in but even there FF is eligible for a gold certification and HIAM went top 10 there.
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The FF era did well in several parts of Asia so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and the STATS show that Britney NOW is bigger than Shakira in Asia.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
I was unaware that you lived in every single part of Asia to know that, her STATS say otherwise.
And when did i say they were? .
The FF era did well in several parts of Asia so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and the STATS show that Britney NOW is bigger than Shakira in Asia.
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I've lived in enough parts to know that Shakira is well-known and how many times has it been confirmed on ATRL by people who actually live in Asian countries right now?
Yes, I already noticed that you previously listed 8 countries (three of which are tiny territories) earlier in this thread like "lebanan" ( ) and you're pretending they're indicative of Britney's massive popularity in Asia?
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Lebanan was just a random inclusion since it was previously being talked about in this very thread and notice the etc. I'm not gonna sit down and name every single Asian country she's big in.
There have also been several people from asian countries that have talked about how big Britney is in their countries on here and other forums. We don't go by 'word' on here, you can talk about how it is in your country but in the end of the day you haven't lived all over Asia to say she's not big there and i'm sure you didn't go up to every single person and ask them them if they know or likeher, so all we can go by is STATS and britney performed very well chart wise in several parts of Asia.
While i have yet to see anyone posting any receipts showing Shakira having as much success in Asia in recent years as Britney did with FF era.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
I really don't give a **** if English isn't her first language. That is not the point here.
And receipts from 2008 & 2009 IS digging back, it's like Beyonce stans using IASF's single receipts when people say she hasn't reached the top 10 in 2 years or Britney stans using Circus' album sales and so on.
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I think it's a relevant point if the places she struggles most are places where English is the dominant language. You are obviously, uh, not refined enough to process this. Additionally, your insistence on twisting my words to fit your poor arguments is irritating. I said 2009 and 2010. 2 years is still recent.
Anyway, the "Sale El Sol" album (released in late 2010) peaked at #11 in Canada and #7 on the U.S. Billboard album chart.
"Je L'aime a Mourir" peaked at #37 on the Canadian Hot 100. It was released in 2012.
"Loca" (2011) peaked at #36 on the Canadian Hot 100.
"Rabiosa" (2011) peaked at #38 on the Canadian Hot 100.
"Get It Started" (2012) debuted at #49 on the Canadian Hot 100.
Not big, but she still has a presence.
**Awaits the next OMG drag response**
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
I really don't give a **** if English isn't her first language. That is not the point here.
Which are ALL part of WORLDWIDE. You can't just exclude them just because Shakira is irrelevant NOW in all those places.
Shakira is irrelevant in TWO whole continents and barely relevant in another. How does that not matter?
You guys do the absolute most when it comes to her on here.
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Look, you come off as being really pressed. I don't even remember if you are the OP of this thread, but you are really getting all fired up over this, and you seem like you really don't know **** but just like to argue about things to get your way. This is clearly something that we won't agree on, but know this: you are not right, just because you feel a certain way.
Yes, Shakira is currently irrelevant in two continents where she has had major success before. Who hasn't got several continents where they are irrelevant? Britney has about 4, Gaga has at least 1 and lacks Shakira's level of success in at least 1, Rihanna has too.
And also, worldwide success: Who is the most popular in the most countries. Not who sells the best in the biggest markets.
Shakira clearly demonstrates her superiority to Britney, Beyoncé, Katy, P!nk, Christina and many more, directly on Facebook.
And I can't with people talking about Twitter popularity, I mean, those numbers are in the 10-20 million numbers, compared to the 50 million on Facebook that stan for the biggest names.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by WillingtonHH
gurl, Whats more important ... 7 TOP TEN or 2 #1's world wide hits.. ???
Shakira and Madonna are the only ones(popGirls) to have more than 1 #1 hit WW ..
deal with it
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False. Britney had 3 WW #1's with her first album alone.
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I'm really not 'pressed' about anything. I have no problem with Shakira and actually like a lot of her songs. I just simply don't agree with how global everyone makes her out to be at all.
It's as simple as that.
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Originally posted by vuelve88
Anyway, the "Sale El Sol" album (released in late 2010) peaked at #11 in Canada and #7 on the U.S. Billboard album chart.
"Je L'aime a Mourir" peaked at #37 on the Canadian Hot 100. It was released in 2012.
"Loca" (2011) peaked at #36 on the Canadian Hot 100.
"Rabiosa" (2011) peaked at #38 on the Canadian Hot 100.
"Get It Started" (2012) debuted at #49 on the Canadian Hot 100.
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These are all terrible chart positions. Thanks for proving my point........
And no her not being from an english speaking country doesn't mean anything, not here for people using that as an excuse in THIS case when we're discussing how global she is.
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I think Madonna and Celine Dion are more global.
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