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Discussion: How legendary are Britney and Beyonce
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Marilyn Monroe - respected Golden Globe-winning actress who built her own film production company and was one of the first women to take control of her own career in a time when actors/actresses were controlled by film production companies.
Princess Diana - respected public figure known for various acts of charity
Michael Jackson - respected music artist who changed the music model with music videos, choreography & structure of music. influences 99% of all male pop artists and some female pop artists as well.
their stories are more than just becoming tabloid fodder and their "downfalls". they had respect, acclaim, MAJOR success expanded over more than just 4 or 5 years, and made game changing moves alongside big sales. pls stop. |
Lol. Britney has accomplished as much and set as many firsts.
And sorry babe, but the main reason those three are legends is because of the tragedies of their lives. Marilyn was seen as a talentless blonde **** before she died. Michael as a psycho pedo. Elvis as a fat hasbeen and Diana as a tabloid fixture.
They were immortalised after death, which Britney will be and which Beyonce will not because Bey is too safe with her career and personal life to ever venture out of the Greta Garbo or Kate Hepburn zone. Talented? Sure. Remembered? Sure. Legend? Never.
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Originally posted by HïFidelity
Lol @ the revival of new age teen pop. I guess the backstreet boys, Robyn and the spice girls didn't exist before 1998 then, or....
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History doesnt write facts. History writes from the perspective of winners. Britney is always championed as the starting point of the new teen pop wave, and that's how history will remember it, regardless of the facts.
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Originally posted by geddymonster
That "trend of blonde white girls" led to the creation of some of today's biggest stars, so I would say that her influence was pretty strong. Do you think artists like Christina and P!nk ever would have seem the light of day if Britney hadn't started that "trend"? She had enough influence on the industry to get pretty much every major label to sign solo, female, pop artists.
And Show Me love is eurodance and Do You Know is europop, technically. ...Baby One More Time is actual teen pop.
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Show Me Love has almost the same instrumentation and tempo as baby one more time. There's literally not very many things that distenguish the sounds of Baby One More Time from that song... Now if you want to try hard enough to slap titles on the songs so it appears Brintey invented a new sounds then by all means go ahead. It already looks like you're in that ship that Britney somehow crafted the dubstep sounds heard in Hold It Against Me, when she likely showed up to the studio for 15 minutes, recorded her vocals and bounced.
As far as the Christina and p!nk comment... They would've been in the industry regardless. Unlike Britney, they both have talent that extends beyond the gimmick Britney rode in on. If anything, Britney should be thankful that she came at the right place and right time because she doesn't have any valuable traits to offer to the industry. She can't really sing, her personality is dry, and she doesn't have any extraordinary musical talent. She's basically a background dancer who struck gold.
Britney stans should definitely be writing Max Martin thank you notes. If this past era wasn't proof enough that the man did wonders for her, I don't know what is.
Now back to Beyonce...
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Originally posted by HïFidelity
Show Me Love has almost the same instrumentation and tempo as baby one more time. There's literally not very many things that distenguish the sounds of Baby One More Time from that song... Now if you want to try hard enough to slap titles on the songs so it appears Brintey invented a new sounds then by all means go ahead. It already looks like you're in that ship that Britney somehow crafted the dubstep sounds heard in Hold It Against Me, when she likely showed up to the studio for 15 minutes, recorded her vocals and bounced.
As far as the Christina and p!nk comment... They would've been in the industry regardless. Unlike Britney, they both talent that extends beyond the gimmick Britney rode in on. If anything, Britney should be thankful that she came at the right place and right time because he doesn't have any valuable traits to offer to the industry. She can't really sing, her personality is dry, and she doesn't have any extraordinary musical talent. She's basically a background dancer who struck gold.
Britney stans should definitely be writing Max Martin thank you notes.
Now back to Beyonce...
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I guess it is just a happy coincidence that all of them released their albums about a year after Britney released hers. And Britney chose ...Baby One More Time out of many other songs that were offered to her. Plus, she came up the idea for the music video. And Christina, P!nk, and Beyoncé didn't write on their debut albums either, so I guess they should be thanking their respective songwriters and producers too.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Lol. Britney has accomplished as much and set as many firsts.
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Britney has not accomplished as much as Elvis, Michael Jackson & Marilyn Monroe. I should stop here alone.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
And sorry babe, but the main reason those three are legends is because of the tragedies of their lives.
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yes, not their accomplishments that made them known, acclaimed & successful in the first place. you sound ridic. 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Marilyn was seen as a talentless blonde **** before she died.
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you're displaying your lack of education on the subject of these celebrities, your first mistake in mixing up Marilyn's acting persona with her real life self. she was respected which is why she was able to create her own successful production company and which is why she won a Golden Globe. This all occurred before death (obviously). Marilyn was very intelligent, forward-thinking & in charge of her career, things Britney is not.
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Michael as a psycho pedo.
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even after the accusations, Michael was still getting tributes for HIS MUSIC (not for his tabloid coverage). He was on track to having a record of sold out dates in the UK O2 arena. And that is decades into his career. Even when accused of being a pedo MJ was still able to have more longevity than someone who gained sympathy from a breakdown. But before the first accusations, 15 years into his solo career he released Thriller and was still a WW phenom like he was in the Jackson 5. 15 years into Britney's and she's a casino act with an album selling on par with Lotus.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Diana as a tabloid fixture.
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yes, Diana was a tabloid fixture, but most of the coverage prior to her death was over stuff like her wedding and her charity work. not bashing cars in with umbrellas or shaving her head.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
They were immortalised after death, which Britney will be and which Beyonce will not because Bey is too safe with her career and personal life to ever venture out of the Greta Garbo or Kate Hepburn zone. Talented? Sure. Remembered? Sure. Legend? Never.
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Marilyn Monroe is listed as the sixth greatest actress of all time by AFI. Katherine Hepburn is #1 & Greta Garbo #5. They're pretty much all respected acting legends. the fact that you think being photographed a lot by the paps is what makes a legend is true ignorance...
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Originally posted by Eternium
Weren't the Beyoncé stans just yesterday discrediting Marilyn Monroe's legacy and trying to call her an icon in that "What made Marilyn Monroe a legend thread?" Don't grasp at and hide behind an artist your stanbase regularly throws to the wolves. The Beystans even argued against the Britney stans that Marilyn wasn't the first/most important to do anything you posted. Get out of here with this blatant transparency 
Princess Diana was a figurehead who tried to branch out through charity. Again, she's another celebrity whom Beyonce stans would normally shoot down saying she was "manufactured." Why are you riding her coattails in this thread?
Michael Jackson - Didn't change music videos. He created the epic music video. The rest I agree with (except with the structure of music).
You put these stars up against Britney and what Britney is infamous for is the Lolita image and the subsequent dirty phase followed by a massive breakdown and comeback. I can give you all kinds of small things she did like the popularization of dubstep (first on major label music in 2007 and then as a viable top 40 option in 2011), the revival of a new wave of teen-pop (that mixed R&B with Bubblegum-pop), etc. but let's compare Beyonce with the same standards. What has Beyonce done new in the industry?  |
"the bey stans say this, the bey stans said that"
ok????
and what does Geezus say????
you do realize that just because we're called the Hive that doesn't mean we share a hive mind??? like, you can't be serious with this arguement... dust yourself off and try again sis, you can do better
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Originally posted by geddymonster
I guess it is just a happy coincidence that all of them released their albums about a year after Britney released hers. And Britney chose ...Baby One More Time out of many other songs that were offered to her. Plus, she came up the idea for the music video. And Christina, P!nk, and Beyoncé didn't write on their debut albums either, so I guess they should be thanking their respective songwriters and producers too.
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I don't think you understood what I said. Britney rode in on a gimmick and it sustained her and now that she's too old for that gimmick, the public truly isn't here for her. What has you heard about Britney this era from the public? What is respectable about her current standing in the industry? Being a ghost on the Xfactor? Limping through a set of 10 year old mimes vocals? Let's be real. She's a product of a producer and tabloids. pink and christina, they have talent to land on. Britney doesn't. They would've survived on their talent regardless. Britney wouldn't have.
I don't even know why you're comparing Britney and PINK anyway. PINK didn't do teen pop. She came out as an R&B star on an r&b label and then expanded into rock pop. Why are Britney fans always trying to force people to give her credit for **** she had nothing to do with? P!NK didn't even sport blonde or bleached hair until 3 years into her career.
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Beyoncé is a legend. Britney a pop icon.
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Originally posted by HïFidelity
I don't think you understood what I said. Britney rode in on a gimmick and it sustained her and now that she's too old for that gimmick, the public truly isn't here for her. What has you heard about Britney this era from the public? What is respectable about her current standing in the industry? Being a ghost on the Xfactor? Limping through a set of 10 year old mimes vocals? Let's be real. She's a product of a producer and tabloids. pink and christina, they have talent to land on. Britney doesn't. They would've survived on their talent regardless. Britney wouldn't have.
I don't even know why you're comparing Britney and PINK anyway. PINK didn't do teen pop. She came out as an R&B star on an r&b label and then expanded into rock pop. Why are Britney fans always trying to force people to give her credit for **** she had nothing to do with? P!NK didn't even sport blonde or bleached hair until 3 years into her career. |
It's a shame that people feel the need to stoop to these lows to try and prove a point. Regardless of whether you think she is a "legend" or not, there is no need to attack her.
And I never tried force you to give her credit for anything. And she actually did play a role in her career, from the beginning, as I mentioned in my last post.
And mess at you thinking the color of their hair mattered.
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Originally posted by PrettyHurts
Britney has peaked, her story is pretty much written
Bey has true longevity (as most legends do) and definitely ain't done yet, by 2020 she'll be a full blown legend
Britney is a pop music/culture ICON not a legend. With one grammy and 0 critical acclaim/public respect and a finished career at 32 you cannot be a legend.
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Jimmy Hendrix finished his career at 27, is he not a legend?
Kurt Cobain?
Janis Joplin?
Both Britney and Beyonce are legends.
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Originally posted by geddymonster
It's a shame that people feel the need to stoop to these lows to try and prove a point. Regardless of whether you think she is a "legend" or not, there is no need to attack her.
And I never tried force you to give her credit for anything. And she actually did play a role in her career, from the beginning, as I mentioned in my last post.
And mess at you thinking the color of their hair mattered.
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I didn't attack her. That's my genuine thoughts on Britney Spears.
As if you comparing Britney an P!NK made any sense any way. They never did similar music so I could only imagine you were talking about aesthetics.
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Originally posted by HïFidelity
I didn't attack her. That's my genuine thoughts on Britney Spears.
As if you comparing Britney an P!NK made any sense any way. They never did similar music so I could only imagine you were talking about aesthetics.
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Comparing Britney to P!nk, who is also a solo female artist, made more sense than comparing her to two boy bands.
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Beyoncè is a legend but won't be considered one until she's probably much older. Plus, EVERONE supports/loves her.
Britney only has the gays to back her up.
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Originally posted by geddymonster
Comparing Britney to P!nk, who is also a solo female artist, made more sense than comparing her to two boy bands. |
You asked "do you think artists like Christina and Pink would've saw the light of day if it weren't for Britney" rotfl that made absolutely no sense considering P!NK was created as an r&b artist by an r&b label, not to mention she didn't have a teen sound or image. She basically tailored to sell to the same audience as Monica, Brandy and TLC.
And I think you're really grasping at straws with that comparison thing. I wasn't comparing Britney with bands... I was just indicating that the sound you're telling me she made popular was already popular and was selling records before she even had a project. Max Martin was brought to Britney by jive for a reason, he created massive hits with that same exact sound already. The only thing Britney brought to it is that she was a blonde white solo female doing it.. Period.
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Beyonce achieved that with the critical and commercial success of BEYONCE. She cemented herself once and for all.
Britney made too many professional and personal mistakes. It won't happen for her.
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Beyoncé is actually going to be a legend
Birtney... lol, she's already fading hard, she's still an ''icon'' but all those things that she did are going to be completely forgotten by the new generations.
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Originally posted by HïFidelity
You asked "do you think artists like Christina and Pink would've saw the light of day if it weren't for Britney" rotfl that made absolutely no sense considering P!NK was created as an r&b artist by an r&b label, not to mention she didn't have a teen sound or image. She basically tailored to sell to the same audience as Monica, Brandy and TLC.
And I think you're really grasping at straws with that comparison thing. I wasn't comparing Britney with bands... I was just indicating that the sound you're telling me she made popular was already popular and was selling records before she even had a project. Max Martin was brought to Britney by jive for a reason, he created massive hits with that same exact sound already. The only thing Britney brought to it is that she was a blonde white solo female doing it.. Period.
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I'll concede P!nk to you, but how would you explain Christina, Mandy Moore, and Jessica Simpson? Christina might have eventually had an album released because of her voice (like you said), but how do you explain the other two? Neither of them is extremely talented yet they were able to get signed and release albums. And that is because Britney had enough impact on the industry to get other record labels to sign artists that were similar to her. And her second single, Sometimes, which was hugely successful, has Max Martin nowhere on it.
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God the hive are so trashy and low. Britney has literally out peaked Beyonce in everything besides airplay and they treat her as if she was just some fad. 15 years after her debut she scored 2 WW top 10 hits. She was the most criticized artist from 03-08 yet she's had 4 #1s and 7 top 10 hits since then. The woman is the highest selling female artist of the new MILLENNIUM. She performed with MJ and Madonna.
Have some respect >:-(
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You need to be really retarded or have a low self esteem to call a person like Britney 'your legend'.
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