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Discussion: Rank Disney/Nick girls by success.
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
I would like to see Miley take a 7 year break from music like Hilary did and see if she'd still be as relevant as Hilary is now.
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and to address this directly, what relevance is Hilary sustaining nowadays?
http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%20rock&cmpt=q
http://www.google.com/trends/topchar...e=2013&cat&r=r
food condiments are obtaining higher interest and she's less searched for than N'Sync and Hayden Panettiere. despite signing to a label, filing for divorce and making appearances at many events - it only generates minuscule (if that) media interest for her. no offense, but yeah.
anywayz back on topic: Miley > Hilary > Selena > Miranda > Demi > Ariana > the rest.
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Originally posted by pika
it's not Miley's fault that she took what Hilary did and made it 5x bigger. Success is the accomplishment of something. and in both of their careers, Miley has accomplished more by a wide margin.
Miley's tours had bigger attendance than Hilary's, Miley has better chart peaks than Hilary across the globe and although she debuted in a worse album climate - Miley has sold more albums. we've listed every career asset a pop star could have and Miley beats her in all of them. that's more impressive than somebody "paving the way" because "paving the way" (which she didn't even do) doesn't guarantee the people that come afterwards success.
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I never said it was her fault, but it's still something for Miley's stans to consider. And I never even said that Hilary was/is more successful, but ya'll are trying to make it seem like anyone who argues that Hilary is more successful, is delusional or something. The numbers aren't all that much different for you Miley stans to be as cocky as you guys are.
Also, when you guys said that Miley has sold 30 million records are you including Hannah Montana's work as well? And is that including singles?
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
I never said it was her fault, but it's still something for Miley's stans to consider. And I never even said that Hilary was/is more successful, but ya'll are trying to make it seem like anyone who argues that Hilary is more successful, is delusional or something. The numbers aren't all that much different for you Miley stans to be as cocky as you guys are.
Also, when you guys said that Miley has sold 30 million records are you including Hannah Montana's work as well? And is that including singles?
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Prior to Bangerz Miley had sold 15 million albums, and "Hannah" had sold 15 million albums. Since they are the same person that equals 30 million. Single sales are not included.
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
I never said it was her fault, but it's still something for Miley's stans to consider. And I never even said that Hilary was/is more successful, but ya'll are trying to make it seem like anyone who argues that Hilary is more successful, is delusional or something. The numbers aren't all that much different for you Miley stans to be as cocky as you guys are.
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because they are? in stan wars you can argue who's prettier, who's more talented, who's more fashionable, etc. but you can't argue success because it is number based. whoever has the higher stats is more successful - it's just how it is.
and yes the touring numbers, single sales, impact and networth are all leaps and bounds apart. album sales and movie gross are the only things Hilary comes close to Miley in and still Miley wins.
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Originally posted by HotDamnMiley
Prior to Bangerz Miley had sold 15 million albums, and "Hannah" had sold 15 million albums. Since they are the same person that equals 30 million. Single sales are not included.
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Ok but isn't that like 8 albums altogether? Hilary is just in the midst of recording her fifth (fourth proper) studio album. I would assume somebody with double the albums sells more than the other person.
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Miley > Selena >> Demi > Ariana >>> Miranda >>>>> Victoria
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Member Since: 9/10/2006
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Originally posted by pika
and to address this directly, what relevance is Hilary sustaining nowadays?
http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%20rock&cmpt=q
http://www.google.com/trends/topchar...e=2013&cat&r=r
food condiments are obtaining higher interest and she's less searched for than N'Sync and Hayden Panettiere. despite signing to a label, filing for divorce and making appearances at many events - it only generates minuscule (if that) media interest for her. no offense, but yeah.
anywayz back on topic: Miley > Hilary > Selena > Miranda > Demi > Ariana > the rest.
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Not regularly used food condiments (used on a daily basis) being more searched for than Hilary Duff. Someone who has never actively searched for attention and who has been gone from the industry for nearly seven years. Wow! What a shocker. You're a joke trying to bring that up as something against her.
Also denying that she's paved the way for Miley, regardless of if she's less successful or more is just as ridiculous. Sure, you may have been born a little too late for Hilary's peak, but for someone who has supposed receipts (without actually providing them) you should know something as that is clear as day.
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
Ok but isn't that like 8 albums altogether? Hilary is just in the midst of recording her fifth (fourth proper) studio album. I would assume somebody with double the albums sells more than the other person.
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Hilary has 7 albums with studio + soundtracks + holiday albums included just like Miley has 8 with all that included.
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Originally posted by pika
because they are? in stan wars you can argue who's prettier, who's more talented, who's more fashionable, etc. but you can't argue success because it is number based. whoever has the higher stats is more successful - it's just how it is.
and yes the touring numbers, single sales, impact and networth are all leaps and bounds apart. album sales and movie gross are the only things Hilary comes close to Miley in and still Miley wins.
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But there are other areas of success, sis..
And ticket sales are pretty close too.
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Originally posted by Jawni
She isn't more successful than Miley, so no.
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she is. Lemme tell ya
5 albums in 5 years, 20m albums, 3 #1 on the Dance Chart, iconic Lizzie McGuire series, bunch of commercially successful movies, critical acclaim in indie movies, numerous TV series appearances, 2 fragrances (1 award nominated), clothing lines (the successful Stuff by Hilary Duff and Femme for DKNY), a novel trilogy (1 was a NY Times Bestseller & two of the novels were promoted on 2 book tours worldwide), all the charity events, married at 23 and now a two year old son.
I'm not saying that Miley is not successful but basically everyone has success in their own way. Hilary definitely is higher than Miley. They are not comparable.
Lets not forget Hil was the one who brought HWR to its prime.
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Originally posted by Right Now
Not regularly used food condiments (used on a daily basis) being more searched for than Hilary Duff. Someone who has never actively searched for attention and who has been gone from the industry for nearly seven years. Wow! What a shocker. You're a joke trying to bring that up as something against her.
Also denying that she's paved the way for Miley, regardless of if she's less successful or more is just as ridiculous. Sure, you may have been born a little too late for Hilary's peak, but for someone who has supposed receipts (without actually providing them) you should know something as that is clear as day.
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yeah no, Miley is responsible for her success. Her star power, her business decisions and her drive got her to where she is - not what Hilary did when she was relevant.
if a stan is gonna bring up how "relevant Hilary has stayed" over 7 years - then there needs to be stats to back it up. I wasn't the one claiming that she was still on people's minds - that was your fellow stan that foolishly decided to post that.
it's also very strange how you've yet to answer the question of this thread.
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Originally posted by pika
Hilary has 7 albums with studio + soundtracks + holiday albums included just like Miley has 8 with all that included.
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Her soundtracks aren't included with her totals. They never have been. Adding those in is what brings her closer to the $18 million worldwide sales.
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Originally posted by MikeyDuff1D
But there are other areas of success, sis..
And ticket sales are pretty close too.
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No they aren't, minxie already posted the stats and like album sales - her ticket sales were insanely inflated. not to mention after the Bangerz tour is done Miley will only increase her lead.
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Originally posted by Right Now
Her soundtracks aren't included with her totals. They never have been. Adding those in is what brings her closer to the $18 million worldwide sales.
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well it's just too bad that Hilary's soundtracks didn't sell as much as Miley's - tell it to Billboard if you want to separate them.
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Originally posted by fabu sloth
she is. Lemme tell ya
5 albums in 5 years, 20m albums, 3 #1 on the Dance Chart, iconic Lizzie McGuire series, bunch of commercially successful movies, critical acclaim in indie movies, numerous TV series appearances, 2 fragrances (1 award nominated), clothing lines (the successful Stuff by Hilary Duff and Femme for DKNY), a novel trilogy (1 was a NY Times Bestseller & two of the novels were promoted on 2 book tours worldwide), all the charity events, married at 23 and now a two year old son.
I'm not saying that Miley is not successful but basically everyone has success in their own way. Hilary definitely is higher than Miley. They are not comparable.
Lets not forget Hil was the one who brought HWR to its prime.
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Higher in what exactly? like did you even read through this thread before posting your comment. As someone else mentioned, Miley has all of this an more.
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Member Since: 9/10/2006
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Originally posted by pika
yeah no, Miley is responsible for her success. Her star power, her business decisions and her drive got her to where she is - not what Hilary did when she was relevant.
if a stan is gonna bring up how "relevant Hilary has stayed" over 7 years - then there needs to be stats to back it up. I wasn't the one claiming that she was still on people's minds - that was your fellow stan that foolishly decided to post that.
it's also very strange how you've yet to answer the question of this thread.
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Answer what question? Who are the most successful? Miley then Hilary obviously. I never said otherwise.
Interesting how you avoided what I mentioned in that post and simply went in on my fellow stan. She's relevant enough for what she's done in the past seven years. She clearly still has a fanbase out there, which can't be said for most people who disappear for that long. All she has done recently is mention that she's signed. How much attention do you expect for that exactly?
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but for someone who has supposed receipts (without actually providing them)
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you do realize i'm not the one who needs to provide the receipts but the people claiming them do?
-Most Wanted has not sold 3 million WW - when it never made Mediatraffic's year end list and known certifications have her at barely 2 million
-Santa Claus Lane did not chart in the top 100 anywhere in the world
-Metamorphosis is at 5.2m based on certifications but mediatraffic has her at 5.5m so you can use that figure if you'd like.
-The Dignity tour stats are also true unless you have something else to disprove them.
i'm still waiting for this so called receipt to Hilary selling 20 million albums WW or her tour ticket sales being close to Miley's.
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Originally posted by Right Now
Answer what question? Who are the most successful? Miley then Hilary obviously. I never said otherwise.
Interesting how you avoided what I mentioned in that post and simply went in on my fellow stan. She's relevant enough for what she's done in the past seven years. She clearly still has a fanbase out there, which can't be said for most people who disappear for that long. All she has done recently is mention that she's signed. How much attention do you expect for that exactly?
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She clearly still has a fanbase out there
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Not seeing it. her tour stats from 2007 are already proof enough for that. unless i'm missing some big achievement she accomplished recently.
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How much attention do you expect for that exactly?
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more attention than food condiments and a rock.
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Originally posted by pika
well it's just too bad that Hilary's soundtracks didn't sell as much as Miley's - tell it to Billboard if you want to separate them.
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What are you even talking about? Billboard doesn't include Hilary's soundtrack sales with her album sales. Not to mention, those soundtracks (except for ACS) only include three or less songs of her actually singing on them.
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Originally posted by Right Now
What are you even talking about? Billboard doesn't include Hilary's soundtrack sales with her album sales. Not to mention, those soundtracks (except for ACS) only include three or less songs of her actually singing on them.
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i was talking about Miley. Billboard, GMA, MTV and Guinness World Records count Miley and Hannah as the same person, so it's just unfortunate for Hilary isn't it?
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