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Celeb News: Tyrese: "White radio is racist", protest outside iHeartRadio
Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Royals, Fancy, Suit and Tie, mirrors, Blurred Lines, Dark horse and Latch. I don't think it has happened this year at all.
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Royals only because of the remix
Suit and Tie was JT's comeback and had Jay Z
Mirrors was urban/pop
Blurred Lines was HUGE everywhere
Dark Horse had Juicy J
Where did Latch peak on urban? They played that but couldn't play Lay Me Down? A mess.
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Well as many have said he has a point but I don't think it a) covers everything, as in it's impossible for a black person to get a pop hit and b) he's not that famous, nor that outstanding, and the music isn't that great.
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Originally posted by Sinister
But Fancy was a sound that was already saturating Urban for a year before its release
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But how does that go against my point? That's like dismissing those people who named "Can't Feel My Face" as proof that pop radio isn't racist, even though it was produced by Max Martin and sounds like most of the big hits on that format.
Plus, your point only shows that Urban and Pop will play what's ever in at the moment depending on sound.
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Originally posted by Sinister
this is very disturbing
they never play Snoop's verse in California Gurls or Kanye's in E.T Remix or Juicy J in Dark Horse
2 Chainz is omitted from Talk Dirty
and i could go on and on
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AC doesn't play rap in general. The closest thing they'll play is Stereo Heart, and Travie McCoy is half-black.
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Originally posted by J a y
Tears for the man who isn't successful and blames his skin colour.
James Brown, Michael Jackson, Ray Charles, Louis Armstrong, Aretha Franklin, Beyoncé, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey.
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I agree with your point but LOL @ Mariah having to overcome any race barriers.
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This is stupid. If this were true, why was Usher the most successful singles artist last decade?
R&B just isn't in at the moment.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
However, I've always noticed that pop radios, especially AC, omit featured black rappers or artists in songs by white artists (i.e. Weeknd in Elastic Heart, A$AP in Good For You, Kendrick in Bad Blood ,etc.).
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That's been there for a while. Most pop radio stations do have the rappers in them, especially the last two songs you mentioned. For Elastic Heart, the actual song with Sia was pushed to radio, which is what a lot of stations played, but it was labeled as the other version for whatever reason
Back to the rappers though, this is mainly common in HAC and AC formats and then a little bit of CHR (but not all the time). It's because rappers used to be played on CHR, but people started to complain how the lyrics can be inappropriate, which is why they won't play it. However, most of the time, they will play it, especially nowadays.
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Pop radio has honestly got a lot better at playing black artists this year.
But if you look at what were pop radio hits in 2013 and what weren't, there was clearly strong bias in favour of white artists, we talked about it all the time on here back then, about why Macklemore, Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Lorde, Daft Punk and Eminem got such big pop radio hits and black artists didn't, even though they were making the same kind of music (there some which did get played, like Holy Grail and Hold On Were Going Home, but it was very suspicious at the time).
I think it's got a lot better now tbh. A few like Natalia La Rose, Jason Derulo and Flo Rida were fully embraced by pop radio with urban-style songs recently. It's not perfect, for example it took Post To Be a ridiculously long time to get top 50 on pop... But it's improving, and I think it would've got better next year.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
That's exactly what I said. Urban radio isn't exactly playing his music. It's Urban ADULT CONTEMPORARY. But then again, Urban radio is run by white people, too.
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But so is We Belong Together, Love on Top, etc and they got played on urban radio. R&B shouldn't have to be isolated to urban AC. The song in the OP IS urban AC tbh but there are a lot of R&B songs that have been ignored by urban lately.
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And why would Urban play Rachel Platten's "Fight Song" (for example)? It would be out of place on the format without a remix of some sort.
Even though "pop" essentially plays "pop music," it's also a crossover format where songs that are popular on other formats can have a chance to be played. It's apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Yeah, the omission of the Weeknd's verses in Elastic Hearr still baffles me. But these weird examples are on AC stations where older and more sensitive adults listen.
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Even the Hot AC near me (geared towards a younger audience) doesn't play rap or urban. It's just how they roll. Whether or not that policy is embedded is racism, idk.
Billboard has a whole article about it: http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...e-puth-version
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It's silly to debate this when it's true. I wouldn't protest though. I would make do a petition or something within the industry if I was Tyrese. iheart is tailored (this generation) towards white girls age 11 to 17. They play the least offensive music (whether it's good or not) and cherry pick who they want to be stars through radio deals and other forms of promotion. They always cherry pick another white male or female or once in a while a minority who has no chance at being more than a one hit wonder (Taoi Cruz, Jay Sean, Omi, Nico & Vinz, etc.) then they throw that person away. Also, they only support established minority artists if they conpletely change their style and water it down for their white girl audience (Usher, Flo, Pitbull, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown).
So let's not act brand new. It's a system operating in racism, discrimination, and stops (minority) artists who do make a solid song or two that should be on pop (has that kind of crossover potential), but are a minority, never get a chance to showcase their music (especially if they're already established). They don't want certain artists being idols for that demographic. Simple as that.
More proof of this is Royals or Fancy. It shows how Urban radio will embrace a white artist making a crossover sound but when Black artists does it the opposite way from Urban to Pop, Pop turns a blind eye. And I'm not talking about songs like Trap Queen or Drake songs. I mean actual crossover sounding songs that should smash on both formats (since they're appropriate for both) like Kisses Down Low By Kelly Rowland or more recent Dance Like We're Making Love by Ciara.
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Originally posted by Marvin
Royals only because of the remix
Suit and Tie was JT's comeback and had Jay Z
Mirrors was urban/pop
Blurred Lines was HUGE everywhere
Dark Horse had Juicy J
Where did Latch peak on urban? They played that but couldn't play Lay Me Down? A mess.
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JT and Robin have always been supported by black formats...especially Robin who was basically exclusive to us
i feel like they would've never played Dark Horse if Juicy wasn't on it
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
But how does that go against my point? That's like dismissing those people who named "Can't Feel My Face" as proof that pop radio isn't racist, even though it was produced by Max Martin and sounds like most of the big hits on that format.
Plus, your point only shows that Urban and Pop will play what's ever in at the moment depending on sound.
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so what exactly is all this commotion for???
Urban and Pop literally function the same way...they couldn't be anymore similar in the way they operate
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Last year K. Michelle had an deal with iheart radio to play love em all all month long.
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I'd normally think he has a point but I just listened to the song and it isn't something that would be played AT ALL on pop radio
if he wants a big radio hit, slow r&b/soul isn't the way to go. Sam Smith is the only artist in recent memory that has gotten song(s) that's even remotely close to what he's doing to be played on pop radio. and even then, Sam's album was huge and his success came off the back of a huge, more pop friendly hit.
soul/traditional r&b isn't in style at the moment so there is literally no reason why pop radio would be playing his song. his best chance would be if it was so huge it crossed over but considering I've heard this song for the very first time TODAY, well....
smh this is like Selena Gomez asking why she isn't being played on rock radio like sis...
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I can't speak for anyone's local radio stations but where I am many urban artists get heavy rotation on the poppiest, most mainstream stations. Chris Brown, Jeremih, Drake, Rihanna, Jason DeRulo and the Weeknd are main-stays. I hear them all day everyday (including right now).
His music just isn't what the kids want to hear these days. I also heard him on TMZ saying if Sam Smith sang his song "Stay" it would be a huge hit. But if you listen to the song, you know that even if Sam sang the song.....it wouldn't be a mainstream hit.
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Very cool to see everyone discuss this politely!
I agree with all the points about other factors (age, his actual music) being bigger factors.
Also very interesting discussion on radio formats, I don't think Tyrese has much of a point to his argument.
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Originally posted by Marvin
But so is We Belong Together, Love on Top, etc and they got played on urban radio. R&B shouldn't have to be isolated to urban AC. The song in the OP IS urban AC tbh but there are a lot of R&B songs that have been ignored by urban lately.
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Urban used to play tons of R&B and hip-hop. Only now they're almost exclusively supporting trap/ratchet club music. Lyrics with no meaning. Generic beats we've heard already. All just to turn up for a few months then forget about it.
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